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New Album 'III', lead single 'These Days'

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Had hoped it would be top 100 this week, it will be low drip of sales from here on that should be enough to help it reach a halk a million sales.
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The sales of Three are all but finished at this stage, a further 50,000 is likely the reality of potential sales.
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In better news "III" has slipped into the top 100 best selliing albums of the decade so far. Whether it will be there at the end of the year or not is highly debatable.

Slightly off topic but I've been listening to the BW album. Does anyone else think that the lyrics to Reach Out refer to the 7/7 bombings that Gary was caught up in?

 

The lyrics are rather poignant in terms of today's remembrance of that event - and given the awful atrocities around the world at the moment. I'd be interested to know others thoughts on this.

In better news "III" has slipped into the top 100 bestsettling albums of the decade so far. Whether it will be there at the end of the year or not is highly debatable.

 

 

This is wonderful news, although i am aware it will be short lived :cry:

I never stopped to think that the lyrics of Reach Out could be about Gary's experience with the bombings, but now that you pointed that out, they do fit like a glove. I always thought they were about world's politics in general, but, considering Gary's inspiration is mostly autobiographical, it makes more sense that he was referencing a particular event.

 

As a side note, I've noticed a diversification of Gary's lyrics since the come back - politics, religion, death, social media. I really enjoy this new approach to music.

 

I'm glad III is still one of the best selling albums, even if the sales haven't been as good as we all would have wanted.

Fingers crossed that the next album will do better commercially.

It would be very interesting to know the full meanings behind all the songs he wrote as i would sincerely believe some of his songs have much more depth than we consider.
Album sales were beyond low last week and from reading the information provided in the Chart forum it could be fair to say Three would have sold around 100 copies maximum last week. :cry:

Milly, hope you don't mind but I have a question for you?

 

I've seen some photos from Robbie's recent concert in Romania and the size of the crowd is incredible. Is Rob really that popular in Romania ? The outside venue looks really beautiful, a stunning back drop for a concert.

 

I told you, Dylan, that Robbie and TT are quite popular here, despite them never setting the charts alight :)

Candy was a big hit here and it's still getting constant airplay. So are Angels, Feel and Love Supreme. (By the way, when I say hit, I don't mean sales, cause nobody buys music here. Hits are made by radio airplay. If a song is played a lot, it's automatically a hit).

The concert was last night. To be honest, I'm glad it's over, because, for the past few months, all I heard on the tv was the advert hyping Robbie's concert. I think some of the people went to the concert out of curiosity to see what the hype was all about.

There was some sort of deal with one of the biggest television broadcast chains and 50.000 more people were able to watch the concert on their screens. That's why the whole concert has been uploaded on the internet already.

The news presenter have described the concert as "the concert of the year" and they haven't stopped talking about it since yesterday - that's so you can form an idea about how Robbie is perceived here.

 

At 42:16, there's a small moment about TT and Back for Good:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ar7ibVHqS1I...eature=youtu.be

I was actually glad to hear all those people singing Gary's song.

 

The banner saying "Bring TT to Romania" was my friend's :)

We do TT promotion on any occasion :P

Thanks, Milly. Lovely that there were some TT banners around. Looking at the crowd it's such a shame TT haven't put on a show to showcase their back catalogue and new music. I'm sure that they could have negotiated a deal with a TV company ; thereby keeping ticket prices low and ensuring maximum TV exposure.

 

Sadly I've come to the conclusion that TT have quite poor PR and management. I'm sure they could have made some inroads into European countries outside of Germany, Netherland and Italy but alas it doesn't look like it's going to happen. I have watched some of Rob's recent shows and in all honesty I don't rate them; however I seem to be in the minority on that score. Since returning for the Progress tour he appears to have gone from strength to strength touring non stop throughout Europe, Asia and Australia and New Zealand - quite incredible when you think how long he's been at the top.

I completely agree with you, dylan.

TT's management works only for UK. When it comes to decisions about other countries, it's like they don't care or don't know what to do.

They haven't even tried going to other countries and I really don't understand the reasons. How else are they gonna find out if there's a fanbase for them there or not? The sales are simply not a point of reference for most European countries.

The piece of video I shared with you clearly shows TT are not unknown here and the public would be willing to support them.

I'm still holding a bit of hope that, when they tour for their 25th anniversary, they might do a more extensive tour.

 

As for Robbie, I'm biased. I'm really not a fan of his voice or singing or of his behaviour, so, for me, all his performances are overrated. But I have to admit that it's impressive he's still managing to tour at such scale despite not putting out any worthy material in over a decade. He's been touring of the back of covers and his hits for a couple of years now. I guess that takes some talent. He's obviously floating some people's boats + his PR is exceptional. At one point, I was considering myself buying a ticket, in the hope that, somehow, that would shut up that annoying tv advert. I swear that the advert of his concert was spinned over 30 times/day on the biggest tv channel here. I don't think there is a soul in Romania who doesn't know about "the artist who sold most records of all times" (clearly the hyping wasn't preoccupied with accuracy as well :P )

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it is interesting that no one put the fact that TT is not selling elsewhere than in the UK, and even in the UK they are selling badly these days, to the fact that their songs are not that great aide you are a fan, that the shows are not capturing people outside the UK, as they are like muscial without being a musical and that the only ever Robbie-less song popular since they split the first time was "paticence". No other album or single of them or Gary chart on relevant score in Europe or Australia. Robbie may not have had a huge hit since Candy and Go Gentle, but sold almost 2 million copies of his Swing album and can carry a show only by his personality.

To bring the success of the tour down to his management and PR is ridiculous. They cannot teach ten thousands of people to know the lyrics of his songs and sing them back to him.

Have you seen the reaction in Romania though when he sang Could it be magic and waited of them to pick it up? Not even the old songs transfer anymore. TT are talented and Gary might be a new Andre L. Webber in the future, but they simply lack of Rob's personality and the ability to touch people's hearts with the lyrics. Have you seen how many men are in the audience? He matures and his audience has changed and that is what a long lasting artist is about. The UK is a different case. TT may have tax problems or not, they will always stick in people's hearts and good for them. But they are a local these days, simple as that

Wow, elisabeth, you have a very weird obsession with putting down TT and hyping Robbie in a TAKE THAT THREAD.

By your logic, 1D are even more talented than Robbie given they'd probably have an even bigger audience than Robbie at any concert.

When you're ready to discuss quality over quantity, I'll be ready.

It's ridiculous to dismiss the quality of the TT or Gary songs and afterwards to mention Go Gentle as one of Robbie's hits. Sorry, but, for me, that's being dillusional.

When Robbie will have written an entire hit ALL by himself - backing track, melody, lyrics, everything, then we'll have this discussion.

Until then, all we have is your comparison between Robbie's personality - that no one ever denied (whether we like it or not is another matter) - and TT/Gary's songs.

 

Not to put down my own people, but there would have been the same crowd had we had a MANELE concert - for those that are not aware, manele are the worst form of Romanian music that usually targets certain levels of subculture. To make a long story short, even if it's my own people, they have the worst taste in music (most of them).

We've had way bigger and better artists than Robbie come here and none of them was hyped the way Robbie was; I'm sure that, had they been hyped for half a year, like Robbie was, they'd have had - and would have deserved to have - the same number of people attending their concerts. But you'll probably try to convince me that Robbie is better and more famous than Tom Jones or Michael Bolton.

I get it that, for you, the numbers seem to be very important and they're a reflection of quality, but, for many of us, they're not.

I couldn't care less that TT or Gary are "local" acts. I'd listen any day to Finding Neverland or SISYL than to 15 minutes of Robbie, no matter if billions of people listened to him.

If it makes you feel better, keep thinking he's this galaxy's wonder and keep listening to his music, but stop trying to diminish TT's achievements.

 

Maybe you should start wondering if Robbie kept selling as much as he has until now if his tax avoidance involvement had the same coverage Gary's had. Personally, I doubt it.

 

I, for one, will always prefer a decent "local" act than a "popstar" who has achieved fame through insulting, swearing, getting naked, getting involved in all sorts of scandals, using his kids and family to get more attention and so on and so forth. Sorry, but it has to be said.

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it is interesting that no one put the fact that TT is not selling elsewhere than in the UK, and even in the UK they are selling badly these days, to the fact that their songs are not that great aide you are a fan, that the shows are not capturing people outside the UK, as they are like muscial without being a musical and that the only ever Robbie-less song popular since they split the first time was "paticence". No other album or single of them or Gary chart on relevant score in Europe or Australia. Robbie may not have had a huge hit since Candy and Go Gentle, but sold almost 2 million copies of his Swing album and can carry a show only by his personality.

To bring the success of the tour down to his management and PR is ridiculous. They cannot teach ten thousands of people to know the lyrics of his songs and sing them back to him.

Have you seen the reaction in Romania though when he sang Could it be magic and waited of them to pick it up? Not even the old songs transfer anymore. TT are talented and Gary might be a new Andre L. Webber in the future, but they simply lack of Rob's personality and the ability to touch people's hearts with the lyrics. Have you seen how many men are in the audience? He matures and his audience has changed and that is what a long lasting artist is about. The UK is a different case. TT may have tax problems or not, they will always stick in people's hearts and good for them. But they are a local these days, simple as that

 

 

To start, they do sell elsewhere than the UK, here in Ireland Take That still sell records. Selling badly, is something thats an opinion,half a million UK sales of Three is only bad if you compare to Take That;'s own sales, it is bloody terrific if you compare to sales of recent album by acts such as Madonna, Mumford and Sons and even One Direction are not selling huge amounts greater than Take That and they are huge at the moment Take That have also well outsold albums by the new and popular boy bands on the market such as Five seconds of summer and the Vamps. If going by that argument Robbie isnt selling either as sales of his more recent albums are far off the numbers he once shifted. The reality is established acts will not sell like they used too, the album sales market is well decreased and for any of the established acts to still achieve decent selling albums and hit singles is nothing to be looked down on in addition to very successful tours. Yes, Take That are not as popular as they once were but how many acts that are on the go over 20 years still are???

Wow, Elisabeth.

 

Rob is truly blessed to have such a devoted fan as yourself. One who is forever willing to remind people of his outstanding charismatic personality ,supreme talent and unwavering popularity.

 

Please feel free to listen and watch Rob to your hearts content. Enjoy the flashing of questionable underpants, the swearing and bad manners, the out of tune singing, the crowd finishing songs because either he can't be bothered, or he simply isn't able to reach the notes.

 

Finally, please enlighten us all. Did Take That do something to upset you in a previous life? :)

 

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