I like Ryan's suggestion of more jurors, decreasing the chances that they can all claim to have the same taste, while adding a clause that states something like 'If the EBU has reason to believe there is severe collusion between the juries to sabotage the chances of one or more entries, their votes will be disqualified'. Would at least attempt to be curbing the sabotage that happened with Armenia. And a rule to stop a televote's favourite being completely snubbed, so that worst case scenario, a song which comes top in the televote and bottom in the juries comes 10th rather than 11th.

 

That wouldn't be the most ideal situation, but as it stands there are far too few people on the juries for the power that they have.

I think a 50/50 split is as close to perfect we will get. I do however think it's wrong to have the juries rank all songs in order, just a top ten will be fine.

I'd aggree with increasing the size of the juries to 10 people, that'd allow for a greater spread of ages (the UK jury lst year was like a pensioners club by all accounts) and less easy to get away with any obvious collusion. Only drawback of that I suppose would be in the smaller countries like Malta where it's hard enough finding 5 brand new jurors every year but I imagine that could be overcome.

I know we all joke but AS IF the Maltese music industry has just five people!

And it's not like they all remain the same for years. :lol:

"Eurovision: A continent divided in its sexual attitudes?

 

In his second post on this year’s Eurovision Song Contest, Dr Alan Renwick looks here at what the voting patterns tell us about attitudes towards sexual minorities across Europe today.

 

This year’s Eurovision Song Contest has been won by a bearded drag artist from Austria. There was much talk beforehand about whether the votes cast for Conchita Wurst would reveal a divide across Europe in attitudes towards alternative sexual identities. Attitudes in the north west, many supposed, would be more progressive, while attitudes in the south and, particularly, the east were expected be more conservative.

 

Is that borne out by the results? The map below colours in the countries participating this year according to the points they gave to Austria: blue countries gave Austria 12 points, red countries gave it no points, and the intermediate colours show the scale of points in between. Certainly, things look bluer in the west (south as well as north) than in the east, though there are exceptions, notably the 10 points that went Austria’s way from Georgia.

 

Points given to Austria

 

http://blogs.reading.ac.uk/readingpolitics/files/2014/05/Eurovision-2014-Austria-points.png

 

 

If we look at averages, we can see that Conchita won, on average, 4.4 points in the countries of the former Soviet Union excluding the Baltics, 6.0 points in the remaining former communist countries, and 10.5 points in the remaining countries (Scandinavia, the west of Europe, Greece, and Israel) – so there does seem to be quite a difference from east to west.

 

But we need to dig a bit deeper. The points that are awarded are, in almost all countries, calculated on the basis of a combination of a jury vote and a popular vote. (This year, San Marino and Albania had only a jury, while Georgia had only a popular vote.) If social attitudes differ across the content, we should expect that to be reflected in the popular vote.

 

As the next map shows, however, differences in popular attitudes seem to be much less marked than the overall points suggest. Only one country – Estonia – put Austria lower than fifth in the popular vote. Conchita ranked within the top three not just in most of western Europe, but also in Russia, Azerbaijan, Armenia, and Georgia. The average points she would have won had only the popular votes counted would have been 8.0 in the former Soviet Union excluding the Baltics, 7.3 in the other former communist countries, and 10.0 in the rest. So the differences are really quite small.

 

 

Points for Austria based on popular vote only

 

http://blogs.reading.ac.uk/readingpolitics/files/2014/05/Eurovision-2014-Austria-popular.png

 

 

The final map shows what the results would have been had only the jury votes counted. Conchita would have done much less well by this measure. Whereas she ranked lower than fifth in only one country in the popular vote, she failed to make the top five of the jury vote in sixteen countries. And here there does seem to be more of an east–west split: seven of the nine countries giving Austria no votes on this measure are in the former communist world (San Marino and, surprisingly, Germany are the exceptions). The juries in Armenia, Azerbaijan, and Belarus all put Conchita among the lowest placed acts. On the jury vote alone, she would have averaged just 2.5 points in the former Soviet Union except the Baltics, 4 in the remaining former communist countries, and 8.4 in the rest.

 

 

Points for Austria based on jury vote only

 

http://blogs.reading.ac.uk/readingpolitics/files/2014/05/Eurovision-2014-Austria-jury.png

 

The results suggest, then, that we do live in a divided continent. But the divisions might penetrate much less deeply into society than we often suppose. The differences revealed in the popular voting are slight, whereas those in the elite juries are very marked.

 

Of course, this is only one source of evidence. There is much, much more than this to be said about attitudes towards sexual minorities around Europe and across the world. Nevertheless, there might be reason to hope that, even in those countries where the ruling elites are often highly intolerant, the wider population might be readier to accept that different people might be different.

 

Update, 13 May 2014

 

This post has prompted lots of discussion, which is great. Lots of you have pointed out that there are many other factors that we need to take account of besides those mentioned above. Absolutely right! It’s very likely that LGBTQI people are disproportionately represented among Eurovision voters. Different national juries are composed differently. Tastes vary for many reasons, not just attitudes to sexuality. Voting for a drag act does not always mean you would welcome your son’s boyfriend into the family. And there are many more good points besides these that have been made in the comments below and elsewhere.

 

The original post was intended to look at some patterns in the numbers and encourage some discussion about what they might mean. It was not intended to be a thorough analysis! I’m really glad it is serving its purpose – and providing some light entertainment too.

 

Oh, and sorry to those of you who would like a key to the colours on the maps. You’re quite right and I did produce one, but then I couldn’t get our rather clunky website to display it properly.

 

Alan"

Edited May 14, 201411 yr by Odaisul

fascinating. I think that confirms it's the juries that are the problem, not the general public. Toeing political party lines is pretty blatant among the judges in the east, given that as a song it's pretty sophisticated and would be expected to get big points from music industry "experts".

 

As there's no way on earth politicians can influence public opinion, and eurov is very popular with LGBT music fans, one would expect (assuming the proportion of gay people in any given population is the same, which I do assume) that Austria, being a good entry and all, would be popular across the board. As it was. The bulk of votes though, must still be non-LGBT voters, so that's a big raspberry to anyone thinking that popular opinion is against fairness and social/racial equality.

 

Just a handy scapegoat for those with other troubling agendas.

 

Hey, Eurovision IS political after all..... :lol:

Unfortunately one of the German jurors Madeline Juno really regrets being part in the jury according to the translation of this article as it seems she has been getting accusations after only ranking Conchita in the mid-table.

 

Looking at the Germany jury votes in detail, quite a lot of their votes are similar to each other in a number of cases. We've noticed this with a few Eastern countries such as Azerbaijan and it may just be coincidence as the German similarities are nowhere near that extent but some of the rankings seem unusually similar to me.

one call one vote, and thats it, this should be the system of eurovision, no juries like it what happened in the portuguese national contest but it didnt worked so well because RTP decided to let one call voting unlimited in a song.

Are you really basing your proposal for how Eurovision should work solely on how the results went in your national final?