As much as it's unpleasant to see them like this, at the same time I can understand why the girls feel this way towards Nadine right now if Nadine had forced a break that none of the rest cared for. As much as it worked out very well for Cheryl in the end and as much as I'm sure Nadine regrets what happened in 2009, a "being held to ransom" situation probably got very unpleasant indeed and I think it's understandable that a lot of resentment towards Nadine would be fostered amongst the girls?

 

At the end of the day, we only know the (apparent) basics of what happened. Nadine forced the break in 2009 against the will of the others and in 2013, the rest of them forced the split against the will of Nadine. We don't really know just how things went down in 2009 but I feel like it's pretty reasonable for the relationship between two people to break if one person (in this case, Nadine) was forcing their will upon them for largely selfish reasons. Putting things in the past is lovely but who knows if Nadine ever even apologised for pushing the break so hard.

It's kind of strange that in her autobiography, Cheryl made out that nearly everyone was satisfied with taking a hiatus at that moment, bar Nicola who had expressed that she thought it was crazy to slow down at that point. I don't recall that she put any specific blame on Nadine though.

 

Kimberley did express a different point of view though, and wrote that she felt that Nadine had held them to ransom.

 

I do feel like they could attempt to get over it by now, given how long ago it was. I'm sure if the other 4 had decided that taking a hiatus at that moment wasn't in their best interests then they'd have fought for it not to happen, and surely 4 is stronger than 1 in a decision like that? It certainly seemed to be on the last date of the Ten tour...

The way Cheryl has so publically come out with all this and directed very much at Nadine makes me think maybe there's more than meets the eye to this. Could it be that they just really didn't like each other the whole 10 years? From what I can remember they've never been particularly close? Kimberley and Nadine were inseperable in the first year or so and then gradually Kimberley drifted over to Cheryl and Nicola.

 

Though I don't agree with how Cheryl has done this, was their any need? Her career is clearly not in need of the headlines and there's been no recent mutterings from Nadine about all this. In the interview, she could have just said something like 'don't believe everything you read'. I think the general public would seem more willing to side with Cheryl. It's all very bitter and bitchy from both parties and a real shame that it's tainted a legacy such as 'Girls Aloud'.

I do feel like they could attempt to get over it by now, given how long ago it was. I'm sure if the other 4 had decided that taking a hiatus at that moment wasn't in their best interests then they'd have fought for it not to happen, and surely 4 is stronger than 1 in a decision like that? It certainly seemed to be on the last date of the Ten tour...

4 is definitely stronger than 1, but what do you do if one of the members outright says "I won't record until you let me get my way"? :unsure: I don't think the group could have continued without Nadine.

 

Cheryl's autobiography was never likely to paint Nadine as a group ruiner when the group hadn't officially disbanded, also. I don't find it surprising that she'd make sure to make the break look more amicable than it was. And in fairness, she didn't have much reason to be negative about Nadine at the time she wrote her autobiography. I don't think she ever would have spoke about Nadine like this if Nadine herself hadn't hung the rest of the group out to dry with her "they split up without even telling me!" thing.

 

I don't wish to demonise Nadine at all, and I do feel bad for her in all of this, but it is worth noting that Cheryl never spoke ill of Nadine until Nadine spoke ill of her. It's natural to be a bit more forthcoming with the truth when you're forced to defend your actions.

 

I think we all share the wish of them getting along like they used to, but this doesn't colour my image of the group because by the looks of it they largely got along very well until the break, when the relationship between Nadine and everyone else fell apart. For essentially the entirety of their career, they were close. It's unfortunate the rest of the girls couldn't move on from the 2009 break fiasco but we don't know how easy or hard Nadine made it for them to do that, nor just how the break decision went down. Both Nadine and the rest of the girls have to share some of the "blame".

I definitely agree that all sides have to share the blame when it comes to this situation. There's always two sides to every story and Nadine probably feels wronged while certain others in the group feel like Nadine is the only one in the wrong. It seems like they will never find common ground and try to understand the other's point of view. I certainly don't think any of them will think "we're all to blame in some way".

 

I know Nadine didn't have to say what she said in her recent interview, and it was probably a bad move, but she clearly felt spurned by the others for how it all ended. Perhaps she lacks insight into how she was 4 years earlier and didn't know that the other girls felt like she was holding them to ransom. Maybe the girls have never sat her down and calmly made Nadine aware about how they felt about the hiatus back in 2009?

 

To be fair on Nadine, it was 5 albums down the line and for a girl group that sort of longevity was pretty extraordinary in the first place, 7 years. Nadine had been offered solo deals from the very start of Girls Aloud (apparently even by Louis Walsh, Girls Aloud's manager at the time!) but she rejected those offers to stay with the girls for years. She did show loyalty for a long time. She moved to America in 2007 buts still commuted to the UK for two years for the sake of the group (bar missing the Brits which was a bit dodgy admittedly). Maybe when Cheryl signed up to the X Factor in 2008, Nadine thought that there must also be life outside of Girls Aloud for her, not just for Cheryl? I do find it slightly unfair that all the blame is placed on Nadine for wanting to explore her solo career, when Cheryl was already starting to do her own thing away from the group. In fact while the girls were on the 'Out of Control' tour, plans were already in place for Cheryl to start recording a solo album, way before the hiatus began.

 

I know I seem biased towards Nadine but it's more a case of wanting to defend her a bit, because she's had so much flack over the entire time Girls Aloud have existed, and even if there have been times when she may have deserved it, I don't think she deserves *all* of the flack. :o

Hahaha, that interview reminds me why I used to like her so much. She's so much more interesting like this than her bogus "nation's sweetheart" persona.

 

It's really sad that they had such a successful thing going on as a group, and they always promised that this sort of thing would never happen (bitching, fall-outs) but it has and in a big way. :(

 

What else has happened?

I think Nadine probably was no angel and often could have been a bit of a nightmare to work with at times but I wouldn't rule out a bit of ganging up / scape-goating here. Nicola seems to just follow everything cheryl says. I don't know about Sarah, I'm not sure if she knows what's going on half the time. It must have been difficult for Nadine with Cheryl's popularity, because a majority of Girls Aloud's signature sound is because of her vocals, so I can see why she might have felt hard done by to a point.

 

Nadine gets a huge amount of flack but she hasn't publicly said anything bad about the girls has she? Apart from saying it was them that wanted the split and not her.

What else has happened?

 

Beyond Cheryl's interview today, there was Nadine's interview from a month or so ago & also Kimberley's book which essentially threw Nadine under the bus.

Nadine gets a huge amount of flack but she hasn't publicly said anything bad about the girls has she? Apart from saying it was them that wanted the split and not her.

 

That's right, essentially she hasn't been personal about any of them in particular bar saying that. Whereas Kimberley & Cheryl have both been personal towards Nadine now (Kimberley's book was packed full of disparaging remarks and stories about Nadine), and Cheryl saying that Nadine is "full of shit" is pretty vulgar and uncalled for. I can imagine her saying that aloud and it just sounds horrible and bitchy. :(

 

Oh these girls. What are they like!

All this stuff about the girls makes me feel so sad - they're essentially throwing 10 years down the drain. I wish they'd just let bygones be bygones. Obviously both parties have their own faults, and it's good now to hear both sides of the story I guess, but even so, it's tainting them as a group for myself and many others I imagine. :( (obviously not musically, that cannot be tainted *.*)

I definitely agree that all sides have to share the blame when it comes to this situation. There's always two sides to every story and Nadine probably feels wronged while certain others in the group feel like Nadine is the only one in the wrong. It seems like they will never find common ground and try to understand the other's point of view. I certainly don't think any of them will think "we're all to blame in some way".

 

I know Nadine didn't have to say what she said in her recent interview, and it was probably a bad move, but she clearly felt spurned by the others for how it all ended. Perhaps she lacks insight into how she was 4 years earlier and didn't know that the other girls felt like she was holding them to ransom. Maybe the girls have never sat her down and calmly made Nadine aware about how they felt about the hiatus back in 2009?

 

To be fair on Nadine, it was 5 albums down the line and for a girl group that sort of longevity was pretty extraordinary in the first place, 7 years. Nadine had been offered solo deals from the very start of Girls Aloud (apparently even by Louis Walsh, Girls Aloud's manager at the time!) but she rejected those offers to stay with the girls for years. She did show loyalty for a long time. She moved to America in 2007 buts still commuted to the UK for two years for the sake of the group (bar missing the Brits which was a bit dodgy admittedly). Maybe when Cheryl signed up to the X Factor in 2008, Nadine thought that there must also be life outside of Girls Aloud for her, not just for Cheryl? I do find it slightly unfair that all the blame is placed on Nadine for wanting to explore her solo career, when Cheryl was already starting to do her own thing away from the group. In fact while the girls were on the 'Out of Control' tour, plans were already in place for Cheryl to start recording a solo album, way before the hiatus began.

 

I know I seem biased towards Nadine but it's more a case of wanting to defend her a bit, because she's had so much flack over the entire time Girls Aloud have existed, and even if there have been times when she may have deserved it, I don't think she deserves *all* of the flack. :o

 

That's not really true though.

 

Nadine got Big Apple Bruce in 2007, the girls met him at their Tangled Up tour... One year before the Out Of Control tour.

 

What was doing Nadine getting a new manager 2 years before the hiatus? And why did she need a different manager when it was a girlband?

Edited November 7, 201410 yr by Carlos V

I thought Bruce was there for the Out of Control tour, not Tangled Up? Pretty sure he wasn't on the scene until 2009. As far as I can tell he's not mentioned in Kimberley's book until the Out of Control tour era is discussed.

I thought Bruce was there for the Out of Control tour, not Tangled Up?

 

No?

 

Article published on October 27th

 

http://fametastic.co.uk/archive/20071026/8...ls-aloud-split/

 

Bruce Garfield, at the time nobody believed it... And two years later it turned out to be true, that he was her 'solo' manager since 2007.

 

Cheryl never said a bad word about Nadine, not even when Bruce Garfield started with all the shit during the Insatiable release... She didn't say anything either after all the 'poor me' Nadine drama when their last tour ended.

 

What I don't understand is how Cheryl didn't explode sooner... I guess Nadine's last interview clearly was the last nail in the coffin.

 

It's surprising some fans lack of memory...

Edited November 7, 201410 yr by Carlos V

Cheryl's book, page 176 of 'My Story' hard back:

 

"The Out of Control tour was our most ambitious yet, with 32 dates booked between April and June.

 

[...]

 

'Who's that?' I said to Kimberley when Nadine brought brought a bloke we'd never met before onto the tour bus.

 

'No idea,' she said. Nicola and Sarah didn't seem to know either, and so we waited for Nadine to do the introductions.

 

'This is Bruce, my manager,' she said.

 

'Oh!' We all gasped.

 

[...]

 

Having her manager actually on this tour with us was crossing the line, and that's when I knew that it was finally time for us to take break.

 

Even with the above article you posted (and personally I don't remember any fan knowing/hearing about Bruce until 2009), it seems he was no bother to Girls Aloud until 2009. It seems like the girls didn't even know who he was until the 'Out of Control' tour, even if he was associated with Nadine since 2007.

 

So less of the patronising "It's surprising some fans lack of memory..." please.

How are they not going to be aware of him being her manager if even the press knew about him in 2007?

 

It didn't bother them until 2009? Yeah, because having your own manager when being in a girlband is the most normal thing to do.

 

I'm not patronising but I remember very well all the drama at GAM and at the official forum.

Kimberley's book also only references him being around in 2009/Out of Control tour. So in any case two of them have said that he wasn't hanging around Nadine & Girls Aloud until that point, not the Tangled Up tour. I don't think Kimberley would have missed the opportunity to say if Nadine & Bruce were bothering her earlier than she said.

 

Maybe he was involved in handling Nadine's affairs in America from 2007, away from the girls. Evidently it seems like he was no bother to the other members of Girls Aloud until 2009. That seems to be one of the main reasons why the hiatus even occurred that year, because the girls were put out when they found out that Nadine had a manager/didn't understand why she needed one.

 

Not that it really matters anyway. I reckon the girls would have imploded even earlier than they did if Bruce was around them for two tours!

I would implode if BAB was around me for two minutes!

 

 

http://s24.postimg.org/p9jup8ajp/tumblr_inline_n9tibuo_T9z1stg0qt.gif

I would implode if BAB was around me for two minutes!

 

FILTH. BTW, WHO DO YOU WORK FOR??

 

 

 

I wonder how many people here are aware of that quote? :kink:

That's right, essentially she hasn't been personal about any of them in particular bar saying that. Whereas Kimberley & Cheryl have both been personal towards Nadine now (Kimberley's book was packed full of disparaging remarks and stories about Nadine), and Cheryl saying that Nadine is "full of shit" is pretty vulgar and uncalled for. I can imagine her saying that aloud and it just sounds horrible and bitchy. :(

 

Oh these girls. What are they like!

I have always thought very highly of Nadine throughout this due to her positive attitude to the girls in spite of the somewhat obvious bad blood involved in the break/split. The interview where she spoke about being uninformed of the split really made me feel quite bad for her (for obvious reasons, it must have been a horrible thing to happen) and the way she spoke about not signing the document ("I'm a one-man band!") was very endearing while showing just how passionate she is for the band. At the same time, if she is at all aware of why the group wanted to split in the first place (i.e. bad blood over her forcing the break in 2009) then it was somewhat unfair/manipulative of her to paint herself as the victim of a group who hated her for unexplained reasons.

 

As much as I love Nadine and her quirky/outright insane ways, as well as her obvious love for the group, I am not finding it hard to believe she's the type to leave out details to paint herself in a better light in this situation. Strange as it may be to bring up, her time on Irish Popstars really didn't say much for her honesty. That sounds very unfair, it's just one incident from when she was half the age she is now, but at the same time it's something that means it's hard to imagine her as someone telling a perfectly unbiased version of events.

 

I'm kind of rambling at this stage, so I'll try to get back on topic :P Essentially I think it's somewhat unfair to call Cheryl out on being personal towards Nadine at this point in time. Sure, "full of shit" is a lot more vulgar than what Nadine said but is a bit of vulgarity any worse than someone leaving out massive details of her own failings to make out everyone but herself as a terrible person? I tend to side with Nadine in these things but she cast the first stone with painting the other girls as 4 backstabbing bitches. Kimberley of course is another story and I think Nadine would be totally justified in criticising her, but I'm speaking about Cheryl's retaliation and Nadine blaming all of the group rather than just Kimbers.

 

Taking no shit.