People's definition of "can't sing" these days is "can't sing amazingly well". People can't seem to recognise when a voice is just average or even weak sounding, but is actually by and large in tune.

 

Anyway, roll on the next single when the exact same comments get dragged out yet again. :kink:

 

I don't even mind if people didn't enjoy her performance but these topics become a bit "Groundhog day"-esque. I don't think she'll change, so I just find it futile that people keep wanting her to be better than she is - it seems she doesn't need to be. If that is unappealing or even abhorrent to someone then I'd have thought that it's best for them to look away and focus on an artist who lives up to their expectations?

So your problem is basically that she's a jugde in a competition that aims to create popstars? Isn't that what she is? I rarely see her commenting on other people's voices.

 

That's why the same people criticized her during the A Million Lights era when she wasn't judging anyone?

 

My definition of can't sing is someone who struggles to hit notes and struggles to remain in tune for the duration of a song. I bloody LOVE Katy Perry (just using an example here), but she really is a bad singer. She is occasionally on point, but it's so rare that it might as well be never. Yet she sings live. It's a mess, but she does it. I would rather she sang live and did it terribly and at least be honest, OR as has been said, she did such a high energy dance routine that it seemed like 'ok, yeah, she didn't sing live because she couldn't'. This just seems like she couldn't BE BOTHERED, which is one thing I cannot tolerate in a popstar, disdain for or taking the privilege for granted.

 

And perhaps the reason these topics are cyclical in nature is not just because we are all hating on poor Cherly, but perhaps it's because the criticisms are accurate and justified.

And perhaps the reason these topics are cyclical in nature is not just because we are all hating on poor Cherly, but perhaps it's because the criticisms are accurate and justified.

 

Lol KK, have fun then. :cheer:

Agree completely with John.

 

Is a forum in which mediocrity is routinely accepted and celebrated really what mods want? Should people be discouraged from giving their honest opinions just because it's Cheryl and everyone knows she's not the most talented? From my experience, a series of glowing reviews, superlatives and gifs for objectively average performances gets even more tiresome, boring and 'Groundhog Day' than this topic.

Edited November 3, 201410 yr by Noahspike

It's clearly an issue that has divided people and naturally, Cheryl's fans are going to defend her, especially in her own forum. However, not one of the mods here has discouraged people from posting their opinions and I can confidently speak for all 3 of us that we never will.

I've followed Cheryl and been a fan since Popstars: The Rivals. I did say after the performance, that while it was clearly mimed it sold the song well and I enjoyed it on the whole. I enjoy Cheryl as a popstar, most of the time - despite the two newest singles not being to my taste. But overall I think she has the star power that loads of incredible vocalists only wish they had. I also defended the fact that she doesn't often comment on people's vocals on the X-Factor, which is true, because it's Cheryl's incredibly intriguing presence that sells her records.

 

But I do think there is an element of delusion when people claim that she can sing/isn't that bad, because I believe Cheryl is one of the worst live vocalists in mainstream pop at the moment. I have never heard her sing a song live from start to finish with no wobbles, cracks or flat-lining. But saying that, I actually don't care if she mimes, wasn't The Voice mimed? That's one of my all time favourite TV performances.

It's clearly an issue that has divided people and naturally, Cheryl's fans are going to defend her, especially in her own forum. However, not one of the mods here has discouraged people from posting their opinions and I can confidently speak for all 3 of us that we never will.

 

I agree, I think it's unfair to claim that us mods are discouraging opinions being posted, a debate can't be a bad thing. I just think it's kinda ridiculous that people say she can't sing - she can, but she just has quite a limited range. People like Britney, Kylie, etc. don't have particularly strong voices but they can sing also. It's one thing to be disappointed at her miming - that's fair enough and people are welcome to their own opinion, but saying she can't sing at all is a bit ridiculous. You don't get 8 #1s, coming for a 9th, over a 12 year period without some kind of vocal talent. It's strange cause the British public themselves voted for her to be in Girls Aloud, and she received more votes than any of the other girls, even Nadine.

Yeh, mods aren't discouraging anyone from giving their honest opinions. We're not censoring anyone or editing posts! That's not to say that us mods can't disagree with the opinions and state our own honest opinions, and mine happens to be that I find it all a bit tiresome, but I'm not saying "I forbid anyone from saying anything bad about Cheryl".

 

I've been a fan of Cheryl from the beginning, believe me when I say that over 12 years I've had so many people basically tell me "how can you like Girls Aloud/Cheryl, they're/she's shit, they/she can't sing, you have such bad taste" and that wears a bit thin. It's like a lot people can't tolerate that other people happen to like her and enjoy her as a popstar, and seem to be on a mission to tell you that she's awful and that you should really think that she's awful too.

 

I do speak in general terms in this post, because I appreciate that everyone is being respectful here, and it's in no way personal. We just have differing opinions and it's highly unlikely that we can change the view of another. So let's just respectfully agree to disagree. We all have different tastes and expectations in what we want/enjoy in a popstar, after all. For me, I like variety. Some of the most celebrated singers in the world are amongst my favourites, but I do have a penchant for pop stars like Geri Halliwell, Cheryl, The Saturdays and others of that ilk. I can recognize that they're not the most talented of singers but I do see something special in them, they appeal to me.

Vocal talent =/= success. Cheryl being a successful and charismatic popstar really has little to do with her voice. It's been down to fantastic song (as part of GA and a few solo), great marketing/packaging, great timing, lots of things. None of them to be overlooked, but all far more important in making her the chart force she is than vocals.

 

It's like early Madonna, she was a terrible live singer and not exactly amazing on record, yet became the biggest female star on the planet. Being a popstar is so much about the 'X' factor and whilst I personally don't see it in Cheryl, I'm sure that is what has contributed to her success and stature in the eyes of a great many people far more than her vocals.

Oh I totally agree that she has the "full package" - looks, great songs, personality, good management, etc. but I don't think they mean her voice counts for nothing. At the end of the day, if she couldn't sing, she wouldn't be as popular as she is now I'm sure. As said already, the public voted for her best on her vocals 12 years ago to make it into GA!

However, not one of the mods here has discouraged people from posting their opinions

I agree, I think it's unfair to claim that us mods are discouraging opinions being posted

Yeh, mods aren't discouraging anyone from giving their honest opinions.

 

:drama: I never said you did.

 

However, I think people could potentially be (indirectly!) put off posting here if there's always complaints about criticisms of her vocals.

 

Anyway, I don't wish to drag this out any longer so I'll leave it at that!

Oh I totally agree that she has the "full package" - looks, great songs, personality, good management, etc. but I don't think they mean her voice counts for nothing. At the end of the day, if she couldn't sing, she wouldn't be as popular as she is now I'm sure. As said already, the public voted for her best on her vocals 12 years ago to make it into GA!

 

Ok, maybe not nothing, but it's probably near the bottom of the list. And also, let's remember that KIMBERLEY WALSH also ended up in GA and she's also lacking in much vocal ability.

Kimberley who? :kink:

 

Yeah both Cheryl and Kimberley aren't the strongest vocalists but they can both hold a note. Sarah's the one who struggles to sing in tune :heehee:

 

 

NEVER FORGET :wub:

Sarah can be unpredictable but I think she's got more range than Kimberley and Cheryl. She's done some fantastic live 'Heeeeere I aaaaaam's in her time. I don't think Kimbelrey or Cheryl could ever.

I agree, I think it's unfair to claim that us mods are discouraging opinions being posted, a debate can't be a bad thing. I just think it's kinda ridiculous that people say she can't sing - she can, but she just has quite a limited range. People like Britney, Kylie, etc. don't have particularly strong voices but they can sing also. It's one thing to be disappointed at her miming - that's fair enough and people are welcome to their own opinion, but saying she can't sing at all is a bit ridiculous. You don't get 8 #1s, coming for a 9th, over a 12 year period without some kind of vocal talent. It's strange cause the British public themselves voted for her to be in Girls Aloud, and she received more votes than any of the other girls, even Nadine.

 

Kylie is in a totally different league vocally to those others. She has a range of 3.5 octaves :smoke:

Cheryl cud neva. She can sing, but not well. Her voice is very limited and very thin.

 

As for the miming. I have no real problem with it, a lot of my favourite acts do it, hell, J-Lo always does it, but at least she does it convincingly and puts so much effort into her

dancing etc that its not a big deal. Cheryl's efforts are very half arsed and she didn't have that much of a big routine to pull off. She could at least have given it a go to sing at least

a bit of it live.

Kylie is an excellent example for me to use now that she is mentioned. Kylie mimed in early days but miming was very common for shows such as Top of the Pops etc in those days. Once Kylie started singing live her vocal improved and improved, her live vocal in concerts and on shows is very good now. This leads to me Cheryl, obviously she can sing as she performed on pop stars the rivals each week and was voted into the pop stars the rivals by the public. That said, what she needs to do now is sing live more often, the more often she sings live the better she will get.

 

Many pop stars mime, i dont have a big issue with that on the promotional shows but not in concert, miming in concert is an insult. My big issue about her X Factor performance is miming in front of not just talent show contestants but contestants she is mentoring each week to go out and give a blinding live performance in front of millions only for her to go on the exact same stage and mime. Surely even the biggest Cheryl fan can see there is a huge element of hypocrisy in that.

It's strange cause the British public themselves voted for her to be in Girls Aloud, and she received more votes than any of the other girls, even Nadine.

I don't think that's accurate (other than the final), out of 4 appearances during Popstars, she almost got eliminated twice. Not knowing the exact figures, but guessing from who was safe each week, I think Nadine, Nicola, and probably Sarah and Javine got more votes through the whole competition. Also, we all know that people don't only vote on talent - looks, personality, sympathy or even someone coming from the same area could earn votes, which is fair enough, these things also come into play outside thses TV shows.

 

In case anyone was wondering, I think the public got it right in this particular occasion :)

I love the song, I love the performance, I love it all with Cheryl. As a fan it comes as no surprise to me that she may have most probably mimed. #idon'tcare... I'd much rather watch Cheryl in concert than some boring other stood in the centre of the stage belting out tunes as I fall asleep. I buy into Cheryl as a product and I unashamedly admit that. I'll go see her in concert again, I'll keep buying her music and I'll love every minute of it.

Edited November 3, 201410 yr by London81

I love the song, I love the performance, I love it all with Cheryl. As a fan it comes as no surprise to me that she may have most probably mimed. #idon'tcare... I'd much rather watch Cheryl in concert than some boring other stood in the centre of the stage belting out tunes as I fall asleep. I buy into Cheryl as a product and I unashamedly admit that. I'll go see her in concert again, I'll keep buying her music and I'll love every minute of it.

 

I agree so much with this post :D

 

inyourroom - they were announced in order! You could still vote for each girl until they were announced as being in the group, meaning Cheryl's line got closed first as she had the most votes!