February 12, 201510 yr Can anyone work out how many extra album stream sale numbers say for example, Ed would be adding to his sales total for a week on average? Yeah it would be good to get an idea of this. It doesn't sound like streaming will have as much of an effect on the albums chart as it does on the singles chart, at least to start with.
February 12, 201510 yr I have no idea how many streams something would get but I THINK i'm working it out correctly when I put a 12 track album with: Track 1: 300,000 53,000 Track 2: 100,000 Track 3: 20,000 Track 4: 40,000 Track 5: 50,000 Track 6: 500,000 53,000 Track 7: 70,000 Track 8: 80,000 Track 9: 50,000 Track 10: 40,000 Track 11: 50,000 Track 12: 35,000 = 641,000 So this would equate to 641 Streaming album sales?
February 12, 201510 yr ^^ Except I think the average comes out as 53,500 so multiplying that by 12, the total is 642,000 equating to 642 sales. That's pretty much how I understood it aswell, but hopefully someone else can confirm. EDIT: Also, the OCC article says that Ed Sheeran's album has been streamed more than 200m times. So using that album as an example, it got roughly 100 streams for every copy sold (seems like quite a high ratio to me but let's go with it). Now since the streams get divided by 1000 when added to the sales figure, that means that 0.1 would be added for every sale, in other words streaming is likely to add roughly 10% to sales. Of course that's just taking 'x' as an example, and the stream/sale ratio will be different for different albums but it does give us some idea of how much the 'sales' figure will be affected by streaming. Edited February 12, 201510 yr by Mango
February 12, 201510 yr It's so much more complicated than streaming songs. What if somebody listens to 11/12 songs on an album or if they skip two? Makes no sense. It will of course help the much needed increase in album sales but the top two albums on Spotify are Ed and Sam. It'll be so hard to get passed them. Not really - if/when Adele releases an album this year, she'll blow past them in one week!
February 12, 201510 yr I assume they are actually limited to 10 plays per track, per album. So if a normal and deluxe version where both available separately on streaming, and if the OCC were then choosing to combine the separately calculated 'chart sales' for each together, then a fan could contribute a maximum of 20x12=240 streams towards it in a week, or 0.24 of a chart sale. So say Union J (or similar with a dedicated sizeable fanbase) have both a regular and deluxe availlable, and that the OCC decides to combine the 'chart sales' of each for the purposes of the album chart, and estimate that they have, say, 100k fans prepared to do this sort of mass streaming, then they could amass 24000 extra Album sales in a week (or 12000 per version of an album) from the addition of streaming. This would not happen because there is nowhere even close to 100k people who'd care enough to do this (for ANY act, let alone Union J). People said similar things to this when streaming was added to the singles chart and so far that has not happened, and it never will because it's just a ridiculous suggestion. And even if this were the case there'd be a much bigger impact from fans just buying multiple copies of an album since that doesn't involve spending time to stream over and over, and also doesn't involve the 'dividing by 1,000' thing.
February 12, 201510 yr Two albums doing well on spotify right now but not in the UK top 40 are Beyonce and Echosmith
February 12, 201510 yr Album streams will be counted by compiling the data from the 12 most-streamed tracks from each album. The top two most-streamed songs will be rounded down to the average of the next ten, with all songs being added together and then divided by 1,000. But with for example, Uptown Funk, which is getting over a million streams a week (don't judge me, idk the actual number), that'd mean Mark would get at least 1000 sales extra? Am I seeing this correct? EDIT: nvm I just read about the average thing Edited February 12, 201510 yr by *Tim
February 12, 201510 yr But with for example, Uptown Funk, which is getting over a million streams a week (don't judge me, idk the actual number), that'd mean Mark would get at least 1000 sales extra? Am I seeing this correct? No. The top 2 tracks get rounded down to the average of the next 10. Joe's post above explains it well.
February 12, 201510 yr OCC have published the most streamed albums of 2014 http://www.officialcharts.com/chart-news/t...-revealed-3480/
February 12, 201510 yr Can anyone work out how many extra album stream sale numbers say for example, Ed would be adding to his sales total for a week on average?From Spotify's latest weekly numbers, these are the top 12 most streamed: Thinking Out Loud 1,181,819 Don't 625,523 Sing 523,057 I See Fire 452,457 not on the standard version, although Spotify only has the deluxe so maybe it would count? Photograph 380,326 Tenerife Sea 219,305 I'm A Mess 204,457 One 188,136 Nina 167,368 Bloodstream 155,915 Afire Love 134,406 Runaway 126,410 Take It Back 108,733 also a deluxe track The Man 100,097 The average of #s 3-12 comes to 219,948, so I believe TOL and Don't get adjusted to that, which brings the total to 2,639,372 -> 2,639 sales; maybe about 3,000 with non-Spotify services. If I've understood correctly.
February 12, 201510 yr That article says George Ezra is #3 and then lists him as 13 in the list at the bottom, odd... I was against adding streaming to the singles chart, but I accept that it is a reasonable thing to do because it's easy to measure the popularity of singles this way, even if I don't like how hard it's made it for new songs to enter. This, on the other hand, is an utterly pointless thing to do and I'll never support it. Album sales are beyond saving and artificially increasing them in this way makes no sense, but I suppose there's no point complaining as the OCC are just going to do it anyway...
February 12, 201510 yr ^^ Except I think the average comes out as 53,500 so multiplying that by 12, the total is 642,000 equating to 642 sales. That's pretty much how I understood it aswell, but hopefully someone else can confirm. EDIT: Also, the OCC article says that Ed Sheeran's album has been streamed more than 200m times. So using that album as an example, it got roughly 100 streams for every copy sold (seems like quite a high ratio to me but let's go with it). Now since the streams get divided by 1000 when added to the sales figure, that means that 0.1 would be added for every sale, in other words streaming is likely to add roughly 10% to sales. Of course that's just taking 'x' as an example, and the stream/sale ratio will be different for different albums but it does give us some idea of how much the 'sales' figure will be affected by streaming. Yes you're right "It won't make a significant impact initially," said chart company boss Martin Talbot, adding streams would account for "an uplift of about 10% in the Top 40". http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-31421438 Edited February 12, 201510 yr by AcerBen
February 12, 201510 yr MUCH better system than Billboard, but I'm not sure I understand this "down-weighting" they refer to :thinking: Does it mean they ignore the 2 most streamed tracks, average the other 10, then multiply the average by 12 ?And for a 10-track album, ignore the 2 most streamed tracks, average the other 8, then multiply by 12 as well ??I presume the "standard version" they're referring to is tracks common to both versions of an album.
February 12, 201510 yr Q&A with Martin Talbot here http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-31425685 Looks like tracks with fewer than 12 tracks will lose out, but they reckon it doesn't make much difference once you've divided by 1000 anyway. Weird bit at the bottom where, unless he was misquoted, says 2.5 million streams = 2,500 sales in the singles chart, when it's of course 25,000.
February 12, 201510 yr From Spotify's latest weekly numbers, these are the top 12 most streamed: Thinking Out Loud 1,181,819 Don't 625,523 Sing 523,057 I See Fire 452,457 not on the standard version, although Spotify only has the deluxe so maybe it would count? Photograph 380,326 Tenerife Sea 219,305 I'm A Mess 204,457 One 188,136 Nina 167,368 Bloodstream 155,915 Afire Love 134,406 Runaway 126,410 Take It Back 108,733 also a deluxe track The Man 100,097 The average of #s 3-12 comes to 219,948, so I believe TOL and Don't get adjusted to that, which brings the total to 2,639,372 -> 2,639 sales; maybe about 3,000 with non-Spotify services. If I've understood correctly. That sounds about right
February 12, 201510 yr Some more quotes from Martin http://www.theguardian.com/music/musicblog...s-chart-spotify
February 12, 201510 yr From Spotify's latest weekly numbers, these are the top 12 most streamed: Thinking Out Loud 1,181,819 Don't 625,523 Sing 523,057 I See Fire 452,457 not on the standard version, although Spotify only has the deluxe so maybe it would count? Photograph 380,326 Tenerife Sea 219,305 I'm A Mess 204,457 One 188,136 Nina 167,368 Bloodstream 155,915 Afire Love 134,406 Runaway 126,410 Take It Back 108,733 also a deluxe track The Man 100,097 The average of #s 3-12 comes to 219,948, so I believe TOL and Don't get adjusted to that, which brings the total to 2,639,372 -> 2,639 sales; maybe about 3,000 with non-Spotify services. If I've understood correctly. So it's not going to have that much of an effect.
February 12, 201510 yr From the article: For instance, Mark Ronson's recent album Uptown Special sold 9,800 copies over the counter in its first week of release, but it made the top 10 of the US Billboard 200 with a final tally of 48,582 sales, propelled by streams and downloads of the hit single Uptown Funk. That is ABSOLUTELY BONKERS! I'm glad the OCC have a bit more sense and are not following the US' logic. Weird bit at the bottom where, unless he was misquoted, says 2.5 million streams = 2,500 sales in the singles chart, when it's of course 25,000. No, 2.5 million divided by 1000 is 2,500 so he's right Edited February 12, 201510 yr by Mango
February 12, 201510 yr No, 2.5 million divided by 1000 is 2,500 so he's right Isn't the singles chart divided by 100 though?
February 12, 201510 yr Isn't the singles chart divided by 100 though? Yes, but dividing by 1000 makes more sense for albums as your adding more than 1 song together before dividing.
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