I just noticed you watching the topic and wanted to see what you thought

Oh well there you go ^_^ You got a whole essay from me :lol:

I'm sorry, but you are bang wrong. And plus I've always babysitted my littlest sister for a long time so, SAME THING moreorless! So I hate the whole "Oh, you don't know unless you're a parent" theory, it doesn't cut the mustard I'm afraid.

 

2nd paragraph's good yeah, but as we've been saying throughout like, 6 odd pages, there are other ways of disciplining kiddies without having to touch them and potentially harm them. All it takes is one swift move!

 

And everyone should so stop bringing the "I WAS CANED!" jazz up, like, srsly it's the 21st Century now not the Iron Ages, lawlz. And that's because the teacher's hired nowadays are just sh*t usually because they're 50 odd usually, and asif they're in the know of anything. SENILE.

 

 

You have no idea what you're talking about for God's sake I bet you are still at school. I wonder if your views will change 10 years from now, when you are in a supermarket with 2 screaming kids. You will need the patience of a saint, I wish you luck.

You have no idea what you're talking about for God's sake I bet you are still at school. I wonder if your views will change 10 years from now, when you are in a supermarket with 2 screaming kids. You will need the patience of a saint, I wish you luck.

 

I'm not a re**** thnx, but I well am still at school aye!

But I suppose you're right, I was just being argumentative out of boredom, sorry. Ahah =[.

My views aren't going to change. I won't let it get to the stage where I have screaming kids in a supermarket.

I'm sorry, but you are bang wrong. And plus I've always babysitted my littlest sister for a long time so, SAME THING moreorless! So I hate the whole "Oh, you don't know unless you're a parent" theory, it doesn't cut the mustard I'm afraid.

 

2nd paragraph's good yeah, but as we've been saying throughout like, 6 odd pages, there are other ways of disciplining kiddies without having to touch them and potentially harm them. All it takes is one swift move!

 

And everyone should so stop bringing the "I WAS CANED!" jazz up, like, srsly it's the 21st Century now not the Iron Ages, lawlz. And that's because the teacher's hired nowadays are just sh*t usually because they're 50 odd usually, and asif they're in the know of anything. SENILE.

 

Good post!! <3333

In my experience, the theory of what you would do when faced with a disobediant child and the reality, are different. I don't agree with beating a child but, I don't think there is anything wrong with a gentle smack on the hand to discipline a child when carried out without anger. I don't believe that, in those circumstances, a child is damaged psychologically. With older children it is possible to reason with them or enforce other punishments.

I work in primary education and have seen an increase in young children who are lacking discipline, and ultimately, that rests with the parents. The teachers can only do so much.

Being hit with a cane is wrong.. anything that isn't a hand infact.. i got smacked as a child and it stopped me doing things.. i think a smack on the bum is fine ... head area NO!!!

My views aren't going to change. I won't let it get to the stage where I have screaming kids in a supermarket.

 

With all due respect Lucy, there is no way in hell you could possibly know that for sure... You're young and haven't experienced life yet, your views WILL change just as my friend's did when she was an ideological young Student Teacher, then the actual reality of teaching in an Inner City school hit her and her views changed pretty radically.....

 

There's all these rules and legal regs about what teachers can and cant do, but there doesn't seem to be a proper system of sanctions in place for dealing with unruly and violent kids (ASBOs are a fukkin' joke...). There is no discipline in the home in a great many cases and teachers are being left with absolutely no proper support or guidance in how to deal with some of these feral brats. It appears that no one really has the political will to actually meet this challenge head on...

I agree with Lucy if kids are brought up right no smacking is needed. You just need to shout at them or ignore them that usually does the trick depending on how old they are and what situation they're in though

I agree with Lucy if kids are brought up right no smacking is needed. You just need to shout at them or ignore them that usually does the trick depending on how old they are and what situation they're in though

 

Doesnt always work, trust me, I was a kid myself at one point.... :lol: A clip round the ear once in a while to keep me in line never did any harm.... Frankly, I'm glad my parents did give me the occasional smack when it was needed, I didn't get up to any serious sh!t because I knew there was a line you didn't cross....

 

Doesnt always work, trust me, I was a kid myself at one point.... :lol: A clip round the ear once in a while to keep me in line never did any harm.... Frankly, I'm glad my parents did give me the occasional smack when it was needed, I didn't get up to any serious sh!t because I knew there was a line you didn't cross....

 

I grew up without being smacked once, my mum just knew how to control me generally by shouting at me and telling me off and i turned out just fine ^_^

 

I agree with Lucy if kids are brought up right no smacking is needed. You just need to shout at them or ignore them that usually does the trick depending on how old they are and what situation they're in though

 

I have to strongly disagree with that. My parents brought me up fine but like i've said I used to have a real naughty streak in me due to the fact of the people I started to hang around with. My dad would shout at me but it wouldn't bother me so the only way to get through to me was through pain and i'm glad he did it as I definitley think I would have turned out a lot different to how I am today. He wouldn't punch me he's just give me a good old clip.

Both of my parents are teachers, and let me tell you, the abuse they get from the kids at school, would NOT happen if some of the kids had a lesson taught when they were younger to teach them some respect.

 

I ABSOLUTELY DON'T THINK that kids should be HURT when being disciplined, and NO-ONE should ever live in any fear, but some of them need a bloody sharp shock to show them they can't just go around treating people like $h!t and get away with it.

 

imo :P

 

As a kid, I was never hit, and I'm glad of it, and that's because I never got out of line enough to deserve it ... but when you see 7 yr olds running around with ASBO's, you begin to wonder what'll sort it out.

Edited September 17, 200618 yr by Andrewy

I can see were your coming through but personally pain is the best way to get through to kids. Now I don't agree with beating the living daylights out of the kids but just a nice friendly tap will do the trick and show whose boss. Some kids are always gonna be naughtier and some kids won't ever need to be smacked as their good kids but a lot of kids do or else they'll turn out like idiots when they get older.

 

I'm sure some of you have seen Brat Camp on TV?. :unsure: Well the girls on that were allowed to get away with anything they wanted and some of the girls who were only children got a lot of there spoilt to bits and treated their parents like $h!t now and i'm sure if there parents had shown them some authority when they were younger they wouldn't have turned out they way they have.

I think there's such a huge difference between VIOLENCE and ABUSE, and using the required amount of force to make someone understand how far they can push things before they're out of control ... that's what I want to get across with my argument ^^ obv I'm not up for people hurting their kids, coz that's just plain wrong, but I don't think "ooh, you really shouldn't do that you know" always works.

 

 

when you see 7 yr olds running around with ASBO's, you begin to wonder what'll sort it out.

 

ASBOs are completely useless IMO, they're either set up to fail because the conditions of some of them are so utterly bizarre and stupid that really anyone could inadvertantly contravene one without even being aware; or the kids are bragging to their mates about how many ASBOs they got... Well you would, wouldn't you if you were a naughty kid.... "I got meself FIVE ASBOs", "Fakk off, that's nuffink, I got NINE.....", etc, etc. Kids'll be having competitions to see who can get the most ASBOs in a year....

 

Bring back Children's Panels or set up some special Children's Court system, and make sure that they've actually got some TEETH to be able to punish some of these little thugs effectively. I'm not sure as to whether we should consider bringing back the Borstal system because that had so many flaws in it as well, maybe bring back the system but iron out the flaws....

 

That's good that you gave them warnings.

 

Did you get hit when you were younger?

 

 

yes... no warnings either..

I never got smacked off my dad, I used to get shouted at but that's it. My mum gave me a couple of backhanders, which killed cos she'd hit me with all her rings on. She used to hit my little brother which I hated, kids don't learn they keep doing it, he's a bast*rd hasn't learned anything from being hit. Parents hit then cuddle so they confuse the child, they don't learn, kids will turn out better through (as Rob said) with warnings.

 

I'm against hitting a child, I couldn't hit my own...

Edited September 17, 200618 yr by Daylight Dancer

She used to hit my little brother which I hated, kids don't learn they keep doing it, he's a bast*rd hasn't learned anything from being hit. Parents hit then cuddle so they confuse the child, they don't learn, kids will turn out better through (as Rob said) with warnings.

 

I'm against hitting a child, I couldn't hit my own...

 

 

That is so true about confusing the child!

 

And Grimly my views will probably change on a lot of things but I know they won't about this. I just couldn't hit my children, full stop. It's the cowards way out, ''oh nothing else will work so just smack him...''

There's other methods, without putting them in pain.

 

And what someone said about ''you just need to shout at them or ignore them'' what good will that do? They won't understand why what they've done is wrong.

yes... no warnings either..

 

So did I.

 

I have a memory of trying to run up the stairs to get away and my dad catching me on the back of the leg, and crying because of the pain. I was so scared of him.

I don't have many memories of my dad, no happy ones. That's always stuck in my mind though.

He really failed as a parent. I don't consider him as my dad tbh.