I'm really sorry to hear that, it's a really sad case ...

 

It's obviously different between causing a kid to live in fear and hate the parents, and being made to know the difference between right and wrong

 

I'm all for trying other methods first, but I really don't think "ooh dear you know you really shouldn't have done that" always works ... parents were allowed to use a reasonable amount of force 50 years ago, and let me tell you, I wouldn't have rocks thrown at my house becuase it's teachers house back then.

 

oh my god, i sound so old with this "youth of today" jazz :| i'm only 18!!

Edited September 17, 200618 yr by Andrewy

Just saw the advert and I actually shook my head at how wrong the parents are and how wrong the programme is

I'm sure some of you have seen Brat Camp on TV?. :unsure: Well the girls on that were allowed to get away with anything they wanted and some of the girls who were only children got a lot of there spoilt to bits and treated their parents like $h!t now and i'm sure if there parents had shown them some authority when they were younger they wouldn't have turned out they way they have.

 

But it still proved that you can get through to someone without having to resort to violence =/.

 

=o@THAT PART THOUGH LUCY =o <////3.

Just saw the advert and I actually shook my head at how wrong the parents are

 

Why dont you actually watch the programme, then make judgements as to whether the people themselves are 'wrong' or not. Frankly I personally dont feel I have the right to negatively judge any parent who does smack their kid as a very last resort....

 

I think people are looking at the rather sensationalist title of the programme (which seems to be bloody typical of most TV documentary makers these days, giving their progs outlandish titles to get the viewers' interest and not relying on the actual content to do so... <_< ) and are in a sense judging a book by its cover. I dont really believe that any good parent is actually 'proud' to smack their kids as such, it's done with much regret and as a last resort.... The only reason for this title as I can see is that the makers think they're being 'oh-so-clever' by making it sound like the James Brown lyric "I'm Black and I'm Proud".....

 

The title of the programme is wrong, not the people IMO....

I can't watch it, I'd probably end up getting worked up lol. I've seen and heard enough in the advert.

But it still proved that you can get through to someone without having to resort to violence =/.

 

 

 

So, what's your answer to the general state of juvenile lawlessness that exists in our society today then if it's not re-establishing the proper sense of discipline that existed 20 or 30 years ago when I was a kid...? I'm all ears......

 

I aint saying I was a perfect little angel, but I knew there were boundaries

 

So, what's your answer to the general state of juvenile lawlessness that exists in our society today then if it's not re-establishing the proper sense of discipline that existed 20 or 30 years ago when I was a kid...? I'm all ears......

 

I aint saying I was a perfect little angel, but I knew there were boundaries

 

...asif I'm even able to understand that =[. Ahah.

...asif I'm even able to understand that =[. Ahah.

 

 

So, I presume that means, you don't have a practical solution to the problem then, which would oppose the rather obvious one (ie, to bring back Corporal Punishment...). I mean, it's all very well to be against smacking or caning (I was myself as a young chap, totally; but seeing what's been going on in our schools and in society in general since we got rid of the sanction of C.P. I am revising my position because the liberal do-gooders' solutions AINT WORKING....), but you do have to come up with some sort of alternative that would be as effective at controlling the problem....

 

I found it utterly hilarious this morning to see Cherie Blair - one of the main advocates of "children's rights" -getting herself into trouble for allegedly 'cuffing' a 17-year old boy as a joke.... :lol: :lol: Hoisted by her own petard, literally. Maybe now she'll think twice before doing things to interfere in how other people bring up their kids....

That is so true about confusing the child!

 

And Grimly my views will probably change on a lot of things but I know they won't about this. I just couldn't hit my children, full stop. It's the cowards way out, ''oh nothing else will work so just smack him...''

There's other methods, without putting them in pain.

 

And what someone said about ''you just need to shout at them or ignore them'' what good will that do? They won't understand why what they've done is wrong.

 

They will realise what they are doing is wrong and the majority of children will give up and stop it as they are not getting attention or getting what they want ;)

scotts right.... there has to be the ultimate deterant to prevent anti-social behaviour. but lashing out as a FIRST resort is wrong, and discipline has to be administered fairly and in a way that the child will benefit by... like my 3 warnings rule... that worked, and it also kept my temper under control..such as it was.

They will realise what they are doing is wrong and the majority of children will give up and stop it as they are not getting attention or getting what they want ;)

 

Yeah but do you see my point of they won't understand WHY it's wrong. I don't think anybody whatever age they are likes being ignored or shouted at, and when you are young you'd get confused.

scotts right.... there has to be the ultimate deterant to prevent anti-social behaviour. but lashing out as a FIRST resort is wrong, and discipline has to be administered fairly and in a way that the child will benefit by... like my 3 warnings rule... that worked, and it also kept my temper under control..such as it was.

 

Oh, obviously there has to be a system of warnings first.... Three warnings of increasing severity is probably the best thing, but if it dont work, then the clip round the ear has to be deployed....

 

Then you have to explain to the kid why what they did merited it....

I was smacked when i was a wee kid..

and I would say I'm pretty well adjusted

..lol

 

there wasn't really a more powerful deterent than a stinging backside

lol

OMG I'M WATCHING IT NOW AND IT'S MAKING ME SO ANGRY!!!

 

That first Italian woman was hilarious though <3.

 

But ffs@the parents with the kids with behaviuoral problems! ARGH they're SUCH grit.

OMG I'M WATCHING IT NOW AND IT'S MAKING ME SO ANGRY!!!

 

That first Italian woman was hilarious though <3.

 

But ffs@the parents with the kids with behaviuoral problems! ARGH they're SUCH grit.

 

Does it actually show them hitting the children? If so, that's a bit wrong.

YES.

 

WORST PART, the kid wasn't putting his legs under the table whilst eating dinner or something and the Dad was all "Keep your f*cking legs forward -slap-". Unecessary much?

 

UGH, I HATE RIFF RAFF.

YES.

 

WORST PART, the kid wasn't putting his legs under the table whilst eating dinner or something and the Dad was all "Keep your f*cking legs forward -slap-". Unecessary much?

 

UGH, I HATE RIFF RAFF.

 

OMG!

 

Me too, that sort hit their kids anyway whether they're naughty or not.

 

 

WORST PART, the kid wasn't putting his legs under the table whilst eating dinner or something and the Dad was all "Keep your f*cking legs forward -slap-". Unecessary much?

 

 

Now THAT is what I would deffo term crossing the line... There's not even any particular reason for it, just cos the kid didnt put his legs in the 'right' place....???? Not really in the same league as kicking the dog or bullying a younger sibling is it...?

 

Fukkin' child abuser..... <_<

 

Now THAT is what I would deffo term crossing the line... There's not even any particular reason for it, just cos the kid didnt put his legs in the 'right' place....???? Not really in the same league as kicking the dog or bullying a younger sibling is it...?

 

Fukkin' child abuser..... <_<

 

Exactly! And swearing at him too? What a terrible parent.