Why don't we have a general election every time the main parties switch places in the polls?

 

An absurd suggestion of course - but then why do I hear calls for a fresh referendum on Brexit all the time? :rolleyes:

 

Yes it is absurd. A government is for 5 years max, Brexit is forever (potentially), or at least a decade or two once everyone sees the results.

That makes me think if things do go headsup I wonder who the PM will be that helps us rejoin the EU in the 2040s!?

Why don't we have a general election every time the main parties switch places in the polls?

 

An absurd suggestion of course - but then why do I hear calls for a fresh referendum on Brexit all the time? :rolleyes:

 

Such a huge change on a teeny tiny majority and only half o the nations??

 

That is thw difference.

Yes it is absurd. A government is for 5 years max, Brexit is forever (potentially), or at least a decade or two once everyone sees the results.

 

We have the chance to change the gov't every 5 years, but we had to wait 8 times as long to do so on our EU membership.

 

Obviously, changing our governing party is a lot easier than changing whether we are in or out of the EU - which is precisely why referenda on changing that status should be rare.

 

That makes me think if things do go headsup I wonder who the PM will be that helps us rejoin the EU in the 2040s!?

 

I either won't be around by then, or be too old to care. :mellow:

 

Such a huge change on a teeny tiny majority and only half o the nations??

 

That is thw difference.

 

The change since the 1975 referendum is not so teeny though - close to a 20% swing against our membership.

 

If each nation had been promised their decision would count equally towards the decision, then you might have a point - but they WEREN'T, so it's pointless persisting with this particular objection to the result!

I think NI should be different simply because it such a unique part of the UK and clearly shows how the Act of Union 1801 ins unworkable!

I either won't be around by then, or be too old to care. :mellow:

 

That might be a lot sooner than you think given the declining state of the NHS and the coming cuts :angel:

 

Just by way of illustration. My dad rang 111 while I was on holiday at 8pm. Ambulance turned up at 4am. Hopefully the day you need one it will be slightly shorter than that....

 

By all means live in denial though, the rest of us see what is happening.

I think NI should be different simply because it such a unique part of the UK and clearly shows how the Act of Union 1801 ins unworkable!

 

Technically, NI didn't even exist in 1801, since Ireland wasn't partitioned until 1921...

That might be a lot sooner than you think given the declining state of the NHS and the coming cuts :angel:

 

Just by way of illustration. My dad rang 111 while I was on holiday at 8pm. Ambulance turned up at 4am. Hopefully the day you need one it will be slightly shorter than that....

 

By all means live in denial though, the rest of us see what is happening.

 

How did we get from Brexit, to the state of the NHS?

Technically, NI didn't even exist in 1801, since Ireland wasn't partitioned until 1921...

 

Yes but all Ireland broke away from an unworkable union which favoured and was outnumbered by many more English MPs never mind the cultural difference!

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Yes but all Ireland broke away from an unworkable union which favoured and was outnumbered by many more English MPs never mind the cultural difference!

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Before the 1832 Great Reform Act, the whole system was f*cked up for *everyone* except a small % of landowners.

Memories are long in Ireland - the richest country in the planet and yet a famine in its nearest neighbour in the 1840s though I understand poor in England experienced similar things - exactly why we have to oppose the establishment and reactionaries today too!

As they SHOULD have guaranteed the power of nations in a referendum within a union and accepted a 60% + 3/4 majority.

 

The youth vote is 80% pro EU. You know, the ones AFFECTED BY IT!!

Agree totally the fall back for brexiteers is always 'it was a UK wide referendum' to end the debate which is ridiculous

There was an attempt to ensure that all four nations had to vote Leave for it to count. That was defeated

Who defeated that - Cameron?

That's right.

 

Our Saint Nic proposed it, and so naturally the Tories opposed it. It was all meant to be an exercise to stop their party from splitting after all.

I know - let's not remind ourselves about it tho as it annoys me thinking about it!!

There was an attempt to ensure that all four nations had to vote Leave for it to count. That was defeated

 

For the obvious reason that it was merely a ploy by Remainers to prevent the referendum.

How did we get from Brexit, to the state of the NHS?

 

You implied you didn't care about a referendum 30 years from now because you would be dead. I implied you might be dead sooner than you think thanks to the state of the NHS, not helped by a Brexit which makes funding the NHS even worse than it already is. Sorry you didn't see the connection, obviously too subtle.

For the obvious reason that it was merely a ploy by Remainers to prevent the referendum.

It wouldn't have stopped the referendum at all. It would simply have avoided any of the nations of the UK feeling they were being forced out of the EU against their will. The Americans have a similar arrangement for changes to their constitution. Obviously it doesn't require all 50 states to vote in favour - that would be absurd - but it does mean that the larger states cannot outvote the smaller ones simply by virtue of the size of their population.