It samples such a well known song, the vocal will be well known to the clear majority of participants (even me and I didn't even know I knew a Prodigy song!). The production while different, still progresses similarly to the Prodigy's version in my opinion.

the sample is from kelly charles 1987 track 'you're no good for me' tho ~ it doesn't actually sample the prodigy at all :unsure:

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That's a technicality, it is most famous as a Prodigy track.

 

I quite like the track though having just had a quick listen, sounds like Bizarre Inc!

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that sample is reminiscent of the Amen Break to me, a VERY well-regarded dance music sample that is part of the furniture at this point but b/c that's percussive it doesn't raise an eyebrow

 

altho saying that too the fact that the song doesn't actually revolve around the sample

i'd say that there might be enough to have the song in contention for veto on the original sample alone which is REALLY how it should be done

It samples such a well known song, the vocal will be well known to the clear majority of participants (even me and I didn't even know I knew a Prodigy song!). The production while different, still progresses similarly to the Prodigy's version in my opinion.

But that'd be the case with Sigala as well (which I wouldn't want to see get vetoed either).

It's a tad unfair to judge them as the same song when they aren't and eventually add veto points to said song based on the artist it samples

I don't envy the mods on this one - seems like it was a damned if you do, damned if you don't kind of decision to me.

the problem i have with this too is sigala JUST won with a more prominent sample, show me love came top 10 when it had JUST won the spin off, and that i could say with 99% certainty that the mods didn't listen to all of the other songs to find flaws so to pick on this one when it's the least offensive of the three i just mentioned (and in doing so kind of reaching for a MASSIVE score when it should be on about 12 points at most) seems extremely odd

We could be technical about this, but like Ryan said, the point is that it's a very recognisable sample, made famous by the Prodigy track, a track which is still very popular on here. And I disagree Leww, I listened to it several times to help me make up my mind and that seems to be ALL it is based around.

 

Cite Sigala and Sam Feldt all you want, and I will rebut that with the veto process changing and evolving, seeing what people find cheap in songs that get through and being able to counter that the next time it shows up. If we have to officially listen to songs to weed out cheap samples then so be it. (again, not saying samples are banned, Christ)

the problem i have with this too is sigala JUST won with a more prominent sample, show me love came top 10 when it had JUST won the spin off, and that i could say with 99% certainty that the mods didn't listen to all of the other songs to find flaws so to pick on this one when it's the least offensive of the three i just mentioned (and in doing so kind of reaching for a MASSIVE score when it should be on about 12 points at most) seems extremely odd

 

The points were irrelevant as it wasn't vetoed for an auto-veto, it went through the normal voting process and the majority of us wanted to see it gone. I just included the extra facts just so all points were covered, so please don't think we just added on extra points just to take it over the 25 point barrier as it wasn't considered an auto-veto at all anyway.

as i said on skype if this is something that's done for the greater good to make sure something is in place from THIS point then it's fine but i feel like atm that's not the case, it was just a song that was picked on for some reason

‘swole’ seems to have been bounced on somewhat tenuous grounds, to say the least, with the justification moving like quicksand. i think it’s disingenuous to suggest the song has been entirely based on a vocal sample. looking at faik’s website http://www.faikfaikfaik.com/ i would suggest that there’s ample evidence of a distinctive artistic direction to be given the benefit of the doubt... rather than assuming he’s ripped off - by merely using the same vocal sample - a 21-year-old prodigy track for the sake of it. :P :drama:

I don't mean to ignore you Ethan but I'm loving that that website looks like something I'd have created on Piczo when I was about 6! :heehee:

Artistic direction is now being ~cool~ by vomiting retro Windows aesthetics onto a website design page? Okay then, if you say so.

 

Stay+/Stay Positive/FAIK/Christian AIDs/whatever his name is this year has always been too hipster for his own good. All of that is irrelevant though, it's got nothing to do with the music, which, as I've already said, I judged was too much like a remix of the - vocal sample - for me to be comfortable with.

I don't mean to ignore you Ethan but I'm loving that that website looks like something I'd have created on Piczo when I was about 6! :heehee:

 

that's being generous :lol:

 

Artistic direction is now being ~cool~ by vomiting retro Windows aesthetics onto a website design page? Okay then, if you say so.

 

Stay+/Stay Positive/FAIK/Christian AIDs/whatever his name is this year has always been too hipster for his own good. All of that is irrelevant though, it's got nothing to do with the music, which, as I've already said, I judged was too much like a remix of the - vocal sample - for me to be comfortable with.

 

how does one remix a vocal sample???

it seems you're on something of a personal crusade on the sampling front after sigala... is actively petitioning to have songs vetoed from a genre, that by your own admission, you're not that keen on in the spirit of how the veto process was intended to work?!

Even if I was, I would have been happy to let it slide had the mods disagreed with me on that. I am officially an observer in the veto process, able to offer my opinions but I only vote when the mods need me too. Which, since the expansion to 5 mods, I've been doing less, I didn't vote on this one. I'm not solely responsible, if they'd disagreed with me then it would not have been vetoed.

 

And I've been against samples and covers of famous songs in BJSC long before Sigala (back as far as Chordashian if not before). I don't see them as fair entries, as they're using people's knowledge of the famous song to make that valuable first impression rather than standing on their own merits. It's got nothing to do with them being in dance, or my opinion of dance, which is a genre I can really like.

 

(btw, I only referred to it as a vocal sample because of the weird objection of The Prodigy not being the original, and it being a clearly popular vocal bit to use, when it being the original wasn't the point of treating it like No Good in the first place!)

bitchhhh i dont think i even knew chordashian was lana del rey until halfway thru the contest !!!

Hate to break up this controversy battle but Lindsey's replacement :wub: :wub: :wub: :wub:

a bugbear could potentially cloud one’s objectivity, no? :P

how’s it ‘weird’ to point out that this is the source of the sample in question, thus indisputably the ‘original’???

 

 

it’s not as if the prodigy were even the first dance act to sample ‘you’re no good’...

 

i’m struggling to see any breadth to your quest for ‘fairness’, for example the aussie chart has proved, time and time again, to be something of a tastemaker - is taking their #1, going top 5 in bjsc, and then watching it go to #1 here a ‘fair’ entry?! i don’t see any complaints, or clamour to heap veto points onto the aria chart in the wake of a pop success like rachel patten?! I’m not calling for that btw, just for consistency~

"Fight Song" was vetoed back in May, where have you been?

I thought we already did watch ARIA. Which is why we vetoed 'Fight Song' a few months ago. We haven't vetoed everything from there, just like we haven't vetoed everything that happens to have a sample. Each time with one of these things there is a judgement call, and we decide.

 

I know it can cloud my objectivity. But, I see it as something that we don't cover enough, finding out a song has a sample of a famous song once it's in the semis has tended to be one of the leading factors for people to cry 'omg mods how did this get through', so I pay extra attention to it. I'll still give my opinions on it, and if the mods agree with me... they don't have to. Some will get through. They're more likely to be songs that don't sample or cover big hits still in our consciousness. And I'm... okay with those. Not hugely happy, but okay.