Posted September 24, 200618 yr Tony Blair, from all reports, is obsessed by how history will judge him. One judgment already rendered is that of the 23 per cent of Labour party members who, according to a recent poll, hope Labour will get defeated in the next election. Will he be remembered as a successful leader who won 3 elections, or will he be remembered as the Prime Minister that took us into a war based on lies, carefully managed spin on all areas of government, of failed achievements in education, crime and immigration.
September 24, 200618 yr For those that are interested in political history, he certainly will be remembered for being the first Labour leader who won three elections. :) However, I do think that Tony Blair should have resigned ages ago. Also the spin doctors have spun out of control in my opinion. There has been a fair number of scandals to hit Blair's government over the years and if they had just admitted the mistakes they made in the first place instead of drawing it out I would have a lot more respect for our politicians. -_-
September 25, 200618 yr There is no doubt that he has achieved a historical landmark as being the first Labour leader to win three general elections, BUT, he has totally ruined whatever favourable view history might have of him by being liar, a war criminal and being the leader of perhaps the most corrupt Govt in British Political history....
September 25, 200618 yr mud sticks or rather blood, his 'lies' to convince the UK public to get into a war with iraq is a masterclass in manipulation and now iraq is bloodier than ever in july 3000+ died due to explosions in public places and last month 3500+ nice job tony can't wait for the next war Bush is planning with Iran then Syria
September 25, 200618 yr mud sticks or rather blood, his 'lies' to convince the UK public to get into a war with iraq is a masterclass in manipulation Convince the UK public??? He didnt actually convince anyone in this country that invading Iraq was necessary.. He arbitrarily and totally undemocratically took us into that war regardless of the 2 million people March in London in Feb 2003, not to mention all the opinion polls which were totally against a war with Iraq.... Had he actually held a national referendum on the issue (which would have been what any true "Democrat" would have done..), he would have totally and utterly failed to get a public mandate... He convinced the vast majority of the British public of precisely fukk all mate.....
September 25, 200618 yr He'll be remembered as a war monger. Memories of elections are short term things. You have to think twice now about how many he won. That not going to make any difference in history. He was leader, he had opportunity what did he achieve.... long term.
September 25, 200618 yr He'll be remembered as a warmonger. ...And a liar, and the leader of a woefully corrupted Govt....
September 25, 200618 yr ...And a liar, and the leader of a woefully corrupted Govt.... The lying element always seems to be a matter of opinion. I don't see how the history books can say that unless in the future there is some hard information. The corrupt government, well you could possibly apply that to previous governments also, so not sure it will be applied to Tony in the history books.
September 25, 200618 yr ........ and all this governments acheivements will be overshadowed?.. spending on education has certainly gone up a thousand percent, every school ive worked in over the last 10 years has had new infrastructure after decades of neglect. he has banned foxhunting he intraduced the minimum wage he has overlooked the most stable economy for many years with the lowest mortgage rates since the 1950's... my 40k mortgage repayments are £100 per month cheaper then at the worst times under the tories... thats just off the top of my head.... to write off blair as useless or c**p would be untrue.
September 25, 200618 yr ........ and all this governments acheivements will be overshadowed?.. spending on education has certainly gone up a thousand percent, every school ive worked in over the last 10 years has had new infrastructure after decades of neglect. he has banned foxhunting he intraduced the minimum wage he has overlooked the most stable economy for many years with the lowest mortgage rates since the 1950's... my 40k mortgage repayments are £100 per month cheaper then at the worst times under the tories... thats just off the top of my head.... to write off blair as useless or c**p would be untrue. Sorry, none of that will mean a damn thing if he's gone and bloody well bankrupted the party with his dodgy 'cash for peerages' bullsh!t now will it...? And there's the 'small' matter of the brutal murder of 20,000 Iraqi civilians in 2003 of which he is an accomplice both before and after the fact.... A liar, a hypocrite and a war criminal, THAT is his legacy.... ...Oh, and the Police will more likely be talking to him about the whole 'cash for Peerages' thing at some point as well I would think. Has a serving PM ever been arrested on corruption charges in UK history.....? He'd better resign pretty soon or risk bringing the office of PM in disrepute.... Just to take your points one by one... Education Spending - Only in certain schools which are doing well in the league tables seem to be getting the money, there are plenty of failing inner city schools in absolute dire straits... Banning fox hunting - the bill was so watered down and difficult to uphold that many hunts are finding ways around it and carrying on business as usual.... Mortgage Rates - well, considering the huge price hikes we've seen in property over the past few years, that's really pretty damn meaningless, the average house price has skyrocketed. Most first-time buyers are finding it almost impossible to get onto the property ladder, especially places like London and the South East. These rises cannot be sustained and we will more than likely see a return to negative equity in a few years time... Minimum Wage - I'll give him that one...
September 25, 200618 yr People generally remember the bad stuff more than the good stuff about anything though. I suppose it's human nature. People are more likely to report a bad experience than they are a good experience. Blair has done a lot of good things I think, but they will be overshadowed by the bad descions he made, which have had the biggest impact. The worst of those descions, siding with George Bush with the Iraq war will probably be what he is most remembered for.
September 25, 200618 yr People generally remember the bad stuff more than the good stuff about anything though. I suppose it's human nature. People are more likely to report a bad experience than they are a good experience. Blair has done a lot of good things I think, but they will be overshadowed by the bad descions he made, which have had the biggest impact. The worst of those descions, siding with George Bush with the Iraq war will probably be what he is most remembered for. Dont underestimate the "Cash For Peerages" scandal, that'll be the one that'll really FINALLY sink the c/unt I reckon, the cops are getting a pretty good case together on him and "Lord Levy" (who they've actually already arrested..). I'll take that as a replacement if we cant get him done for War Crimes..... I want the b/astard in a court of law regardless of whether it's for a sheep or a lamb.... <_<
September 25, 200618 yr Author Dont underestimate the "Cash For Peerages" scandal, that'll be the one that'll really FINALLY sink the c/unt I reckon, the cops are getting a pretty good case together on him and "Lord Levy" (who they've actually already arrested..). I'll take that as a replacement if we cant get him done for War Crimes..... I want the b/astard in a court of law regardless of whether it's for a sheep or a lamb.... <_< well they couldn't get Al Capone for being in the mob etc etc but they got him on tax evasion :lol: so Blair may go the same way Edited September 25, 200618 yr by brian91
September 25, 200618 yr well they couldn't get Al Capone for being in the mob etc etc but they got him on tax evasion :lol: so Blair may go the same way My thoughts exactly.... :lol:
September 26, 200618 yr lol.... i love reading 'angry scott', he will out do victor meldrew when hes old! :lol: most of the points are open for interpretation... labour didnt dictate nor orchestrate the house price boom.... as for the illegal war, well yes, but dont you think that iraq is now a better place...or will be..? (im not condoning the war though) education spending... wrong. i said ALL schools that ive worked in have had substantial spending on them... not just ones bothered by league tables.
September 26, 200618 yr as for the illegal war, well yes, but dont you think that iraq is now a better place...or will be..? (im not condoning the war though) How can Iraq be a better place when bombs are going off there just about every day....? We've made things a lot worse with our interference... Saddam was never really a problem to the West, he was contained.... The situation now in Iraq is anything but contained....
September 26, 200618 yr How can Iraq be a better place when bombs are going off there just about every day....? We've made things a lot worse with our interference... Saddam was never really a problem to the West, he was contained.... The situation now in Iraq is anything but contained.... ......... conveiniantly forgetting his treatment of the kurds, and thousands of others he subjected and murdered... the desert is full of them. do you think that iraq would have been better left alone?.. the only thing that i think was wrong was the manner in which sadam was deposed, but he had to go, he was a mass murderer.
September 26, 200618 yr he was a mass murderer. Like Mugabe, like Pinochet, like that nutter Putin, like Tudjman (xenophobic Croatian loony who's every bit as bad as Milosevic but that kinda gets glossed over in our pathetic attempts to blame the Serbs for EVERYTHING that happened in the Balkans..) like a hell of a lot of people we seem to have no objections to supporting or just 'convieniently' forgetting about, because their country has no oil or natural resources (ie Zimbabwe, Rwanda, Haiti, Sudan, Burma...) which would make it worth our while to be interested. And of course, we let China murder as many Tibetan Buddhists and Falun Gon members as they like because of the nice little earners we're gonna make out of potentially vast Chinese market.... And if we're so bloody interested in 'helping' the Kurds, why are we paying lip-service to Turkey who've probably done just as much to oppress the Kurds over the years as Saddam has....? Nah, double standards mate, it dont wash with me....
September 26, 200618 yr Blair's lucky in that he'll always be remembered as the leader who followed the bloodthirsty, fascistic, evil old cow that was Thatcher (ok.... Major was inbetween - but nobody will remember him for anything at all). So despite all the bloodshed he caused, he'll be seen as a more people-friendly leader than Thatcher ever was. Otherwise? He was a great Labour leader who got far too mixed up with the Americans for his own good.
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