Bitch who are you?

 

So I played my song on plug and I posted a hint? So what? Many people do that. People posting lyrics to their song, what about those? There were people that knew my song cuz I played it on plug and I have had it in my bag for several months. Sam and Cody were literally begging me to send it.

 

Y'all messy

i can say that this wasn't a bloc vote thing at all, it was more of an unfair advantage standpoint as songs with muchhh more exposure will tend to be more favoured on the grounds of familiarity - which is part of the reason samples are monitored, chart success etc is monitored etc - as mods we have the framework as some sort of mind reading device. do we know which song has reached the ears of all of the bjsc participants beforehand? no of course not! all of the measures are to predict audience, predict demographic and to level the playing field. of course the veto is not extensive and that is something that we're all looking to work on. my main ones are streaming guidelines (since streaming is the heart of the music industry at the moment), points allocated for previous vetoes, points allocated for artists being submitted several times and more of a sliding scale when it comes to chart points and blog coverage. however, at this very point it's a work in progress and we will update it as soon as possible.

 

my standpoint is there is hundreds and HUNDREDS of songs every couple of months that are sent without any issue at all - they rack up little or no points on the framework and are not questionable in the slightest. it's not about how many posts a song has been referenced on on buzzjack, the world of music extends WAY beyond this forum so we need to try and predict how people find out about music, how many would listen to it based on the audience of each of the criteria etc etc etc

 

the thing is no matter how rigid or relaxed the veto framework is it's a damned if you do or damned if you don't situation so really all we can do is take the feedback on board and progress things. it's not as if we don't listen to your criticisms! but at the same time just because people are unhappy with a veto doesn't make it any less unjustified, there's a silent majority in bjsc who don't speak up month on month who could also feel an entry is at a disadvantage because of all of this off-site exposure... we're not just catering to those who shout the loudest

For some people their personal milestones are quite important

 

of course they are, and a special widget would be a lasting momento and badge of honour, but reaching a personal milestone shouldn't allow that country to have an unfair advantage over people on their 7th or 85th contest~

Bitch who are you?

 

So I played my song on plug and I posted a hint? So what? Many people do that. People posting lyrics to their song, what about those? There were people that knew my song cuz I played it on plug and I have had it in my bag for several months. Sam and Cody were literally begging me to send it.

 

Y'all messy

 

If you want to make an appeal, do so via PM as us mods are happy to hear your view point as to why it shouldn't be vetoed. That would be a much better stance as opposed to having a complete hissy fit publicly.

disregarding the veto, i think everyone has basically admitted in here there is a culture of people exposing all of their entries way too much beforehand to the point where it is like intense focus group - i firmly believed in a PSA first to say 'this is what's not to happen' and then go forward with a zero tolerance approach because then there's no excuse and no confusion about what is expected, but at the same time i definitely saw a very public demonstration of advantage which i think is fair in being eliminated, but i don't believe it to be the only incident, just the only obviously public one

U won't listen tho, you never do. Everytime someone makes a suggestion, it gets shot down, as has been shown in thsi thread with suggestions to the framework.

 

If I do it via PM the people wont be able to see discussion. I thought we were an open community and such? Therefor everybody should be able to chime in if they feel like it. Right now I'm just majorly pissed off that it is me out of everybody who hints their entry who gets their entry suspended without warning

Yes I played this song on plug, yes it got a good reception, but just because this is a popular song with certain people and these certain people happen to check out my thread when I post in it, makes it a veto/suspension?

I have privately appealed for an entry that was vetoed before with good justification as to why it shouldn't be vetoed, and it got accepted (before I was a moderator), so the moderators DO listen.

Absolutely we listen - this discussion has been very informative for when the framework gets updated and there are plenty of things I will be suggesting that have been mentioned that I haven't rebutted.

 

Most hints are fine because people don't know what the entry is - that's how I always work my hints, I make it so no one knows what my entry is from them and then once the semis go up people might look at the hint and the revealed entry and then see the connection.

Yes but you're a mod yourself, lets not get it twisted.

 

I have stated my case in here multiple times, with reason, bur get ignored every time. How do you think that makes someone feel about PMing?

'u won't listen, you never do' is a completely ridiculous generalisation tim, just because you're unhappy doesn't mean you know how it is that i personally process your opinions nor any of the other mods. i've always considered myself to be fair - vetoing people's entries is not a circlejerk to me and i don't get off on it - it means much more work for me... i just wanted to contribute my knowledge of popular music in this role to try and help things along so the contest could be more fair if anything. you also realise that you've actually decided to just insult the framework and mock the mods rather than put forward suggestions? here is your platform, i'm happy to listen.

Absolutely we listen - this discussion has been very informative for when the framework gets updated and there are plenty of things I will be suggesting that have been mentioned that I haven't rebutted.

 

Most hints are fine because people don't know what the entry is - that's how I always work my hints, I make it so no one knows what my entry is from them and then once the semis go up people might look at the hint and the revealed entry and then see the connection.

Okay but you guys keep ignoring the point of plenty of others doing so and people knowing what the entry is. Like posting lyrics

disregarding the veto, i think everyone has basically admitted in here there is a culture of people exposing all of their entries way too much beforehand to the point where it is like intense focus group - i firmly believed in a PSA first to say 'this is what's not to happen' and then go forward with a zero tolerance approach because then there's no excuse and no confusion about what is expected, but at the same time i definitely saw a very public demonstration of advantage which i think is fair in being eliminated, but i don't believe it to be the only incident, just the only obviously public one

I agree with what you've said Leww, but in all fairness most months as soon as the semis go up it is often your song that a lot of people instantly recognise and start hyping before any listening has actually happened, so like you say if it is to happen it needs to be across the board with the mods too. I know it's probably a coincidence but hype is always going to fall to certain songs so while I do agree that we need to stamp out on sharing songs in advance I also think the framework and decisions made by mods needs to be relaxed a tad because the music we're getting is becoming less and less exciting as each month goes past.

this does seem very much like picking on tim because he's enjoyed some bjsc success recently ~ the confirmation period is far too long anyway to expect steely mouthed silence about what we’ve entered when people are more socially connected than ever. funny the notion of fair play goes out the window when it suits the mods, for example the anniversary entry debacle, which was allegedly only brought in, so one mod could enter a sugababes album track at some stage :rolleyes:~

 

it's patently obvious some bjsc mods cannot stand or take any kind of feedback~ if the majority are silent it's because they've seen the reaction and inaction valid concerns about the framework receive~ <_<

 

 

'u won't listen, you never do' is a completely ridiculous generalisation tim, just because you're unhappy doesn't mean you know how it is that i personally process your opinions nor any of the other mods. i've always considered myself to be fair - vetoing people's entries is not a circlejerk to me and i don't get off on it - it means much more work for me... i just wanted to contribute my knowledge of popular music in this role to try and help things along so the contest could be more fair if anything. you also realise that you've actually decided to just insult the framework and mock the mods rather than put forward suggestions? here is your platform, i'm happy to listen.

I wasn't even speaking about you tho? I didnt use specific names, but the people I speak about know it.

 

Actually; I was gonna PM you to appeal my case

:s there have been FAR more egregious cases of people making it incredibly obvious what their entry is, if you were gonna suddenly swing the banhammer for that offence why not at least do it on a song that has even the slightest case for being a genuine veto?

Okay but you guys keep ignoring the point of plenty of others doing so and people knowing what the entry is. Like posting lyrics

 

I see vague pictures and common lyrics (maybe 3 words) a lot and for most of those I couldn't find out what it was. For you the combination of sharing potentials and hinting meant that people knew without a doubt what you entered.

Yes but you're a mod yourself, lets not get it twisted.

 

I have stated my case in here multiple times, with reason, bur get ignored every time. How do you think that makes someone feel about PMing?

 

You must have not read the part where I privately appealed for a veto entry, PRIOR to myself being a moderator so it shows moderators do listen.

I didn't hear Tim's song and had no idea about it btw. I don't think it's had many plug plays as I've never come across it tbh.

I wasn't even speaking about you tho? I didnt use specific names, but the people I speak about know it.

 

Actually; I was gonna PM you to appeal my case

when you reference the mods you reference all of us i'm afraid - if you need to be specific then you need to be but you did use a general 'you' so i think it was a justified response. please do pm me about this as i'd be happy to discuss it with you and put the points forward.