I think they are in a tricky situation as they can't over promote Take That as that would be seen as exploiting the show for personal gains.

The TT medley and them singing Shine was pretty much all of the TT they could have done tonight otherwise there would have been an even bigger backlash than there already is.

I love the show and TT music but I can also see where others are coming from the fact hey have been given weeks of prime time TV exposure to publicise this show and also TT music.

They have to balance how much they do and have it weighted proportionally hence why the acts aren't singing TT songs for the most part.

 

I understand they need to balance the show, but maybe one of the acts could have sang Giants was the most they could push for, for this single.

 

Giants is starting to fall fast, im wondering will they even beat the peak of Cry now.

Then why let it slip to the press that they'd be performing Giants tonight? Lots of fans were left disappointed. The Shine performance looked like it had been put together at the last minute and Mark sounded not good at all. I found the whole performance a bit pointless, tbh.

If they can't perform TT songs on a show about a TT musical, then where can they?

 

Most of the haters have turned off anyway, so the backlash wouldn't have been bigger than normally, imo.

I'm very frustrated that they didn't do Giants, agree with Milly, it was the perfect chance to ensure top 10 placement

It would have made sense to have performed Giants, i just watched the show back now and if they are performing it shouldnt matter what song they sing as the show is essentially about Take That. Again, the promotion can be questioned and if they dont pull out the stops on the lead single, when will they is my worry.

Is the CD single in HMV?

It would have been great if they had performed Giants tonight, but I can see why they didn't. I think Nirvanamusic explains the dilemma very well. Also, maybe it wasn't their own decision to not perform Giants? Like Nirvanamusic said, TT and their music are already given lots of exposure thanks to Let It Shine. Had they also been given the oppurtunity to perform their brand new single on the show it might have been a bit too much for a public service channel like BBC.

Is the CD single in HMV?

 

Yep! Both versions

Maybe it's just me, but, for a show about TT's music, I sure didn't hear many TT songs. I heard more TT songs in the background of the X Factor than on this show.

 

I'm pretty sure the press didn't infer out of the blue that they'd be performing Giants on the show. The question is: what happened that they had to backtrack at the last minute?

 

Maybe they do want to be careful with not being over-exposed by the BBC, but then they should explore other venues of promotion. This has never happened before, that the lead single gets absolutely NO promotion at all.

I don't think it was a last minute decision to perform Shine last night. I'm pretty sure that I read earlier this week that Shine was the song TT was going to perform together with the groups.

 

I agree about the lack of promotion, it's really bad. I wonder how they reason regarding promotion, what their plan is.

So frustrating that the single is dropping like a stone in iTunes and they chose not to promote it properly

Just been listening to the CD singles, I like Loving Or Leaving but it's nothing we haven't heard many times before, I far prefer Giants.

 

The live version of Relight My Fire I had to skip, the first two minutes are just Lulu wailing :drama:

 

On the other hand the live version of Rule The World is incredible as ever, the song never gets old.

Edited February 19, 20178 yr by gooddelta

No13 on iTunes now and only been out 3 days. Not a good sign. I think they may miss top 10 now and possibly top 20 even. The days of having a big hit with their first song from an album are definitely over sadly.

I think this was all a given really, These Days came out just before the streaming era really went stratospheric, it never did particularly well on streaming (not sure it even went top 20 on that chart!). It's frustrating that there's no promo this week but it would have only probably improved the entry position by 2-3 places, and there's little point splitting hairs over a #17 instead of #20 debut.

 

All we can do now is just enjoy the music and hope that the albums still sell well.

 

If it's lucky Giants will have an extended run in the top 75, like Robbie's Love My Life, but that only got to that stage due to MASSES of promo and airplay from commercial radio.

Edited February 19, 20178 yr by gooddelta

Surprisingly, it's not streaming holding them down this time. Somebody on the main forum posted that Giants was #59 on Spotify yesterday, which has never happened before.

 

I don't think the difference promotion could make is very small. With SOME promotion, they could easily go top 10, if not top 5. BUt this discussion makes no sense now anymore, considering they don't seem willing to promote at all.

There was an interview on the radio yesterday where Gary said they don't care about charts anymore. Personally, I don't believe him, after seeing how much effort he puts into promoting The Girls and LIS- when he's doing a project, he's very passionate about it and he usually wants it to be successful. Something else must be happening. Maybe it has something to do with Howard's baby being about to be born, but in this case, why not postpone the release?!!

I wish TT would be as good at promoting their albums as Gary is at promoting all his other projects.

 

I agree with you, Gooddelta. Loving or Leaving isn't very original - it could have easily fitted on III, but it's a very beautiful song. It would have never worked as a single, but I'm fonder of it than of Giants.

Surprisingly, it's not streaming holding them down this time. Somebody on the main forum posted that Giants was #59 on Spotify yesterday, which has never happened before.

 

I don't think the difference promotion could make is very small. With SOME promotion, they could easily go top 10, if not top 5. BUt this discussion makes no sense now anymore, considering they don't seem willing to promote at all.

There was an interview on the radio yesterday where Gary said they don't care about charts anymore. Personally, I don't believe him, after seeing how much effort he puts into promoting The Girls and LIS- when he's doing a project, he's very passionate about it and he usually wants it to be successful. Something else must be happening. Maybe it has something to do with Howard's baby being about to be born, but in this case, why not postpone the release?!!

I wish TT would be as good at promoting their albums as Gary is at promoting all his other projects.

 

I agree with you, Gooddelta. Loving or Leaving isn't very original - it could have easily fitted on III, but it's a very beautiful song. It would have never worked as a single, but I'm fonder of it than of Giants.

 

It dropped out of the top 200 today though, sadly. It did well on the first day based on curiosity streams from the New Music Friday playlist it was on. But that's not to say it might not return to the streaming chart, depends how much traction it gains on radio in the coming weeks. I doubt it will get back to the top 100 easily though.

 

Never mind, I've accepted that this is the case with all of my favourite acts over 40 years old - bar Sia. I just hope they keep putting out great, high quality music, and I'm very much looking forward to hearing the album!

The thing is they may not care about the singles chart anymore however a good strong successful lead off single (top 10) then translates into better album sales. That is something they do care about. I know this sounds ridiculous but it also makes their singles discography look really bad not charting in UK/the other places featured on it, it looks like a major drop off has happened.

They may be waiting for mid week to drop the video but am not sure how much of a boost it'll be however I know certain music channels really like TT and will play the music video on rotation.

To give Westlife credit their last two studio albums in 2009/2010 they released ONE single only before the album came out and these singles charted at #2 and #10 with heavy promotion. If Giants is the only single released off the album really go for it. Is a few weeks of promotion for the single which would ultimately benefit the album really that hard? Or do they feel their past and status now rises them above promotion on differing TV shows?

 

I agree with above post as a 40+ act it really is hard on the singles chart. I'm more confused/annoyed with this confusing anniversary which is getting changed from here to there and back again. It would be great for a greatest hits vol 2/25th year best of to come out as would be such a great record to have. This again seems to be all dependant on Robbie if I were to quess as he mentioned he couldn't do it this year as he has a tour to do.

Edited February 19, 20178 yr by nirvanamusic

Screaming that they performed Shine! They want this to flop then? LOLLLL

Screaming that they performed Shine! They want this to flop then? LOLLLL

 

It was more of a group performance of Shine with the contestants remaining on the show.

 

It was a missed promo opportunity for Giants for sure - they should have performed it separately later really...or just not done the group performance of Shine - but I can see why they did Shine in the context. Opening the show with a group performance of a song nobody had ever heard would have raised eyebrows.

It was more of a group performance of Shine with the contestants remaining on the show.

 

It was a missed promo opportunity for Giants for sure - they should have performed it separately later really...or just not done the group performance of Shine - but I can see why they did Shine in the context. Opening the show with a group performance of a song nobody had ever heard would have raised eyebrows.

 

I suppose, but it's an easy high rated promo slot that they could have gotten, and would have probably cost them nothing to get.