How did Lisa come last in the public vote?

She didn't change the lyrics :)

Final scoreboard (televoting result in pink)

 

Proof that andra chansen should only provide two finalists since all four finished in the bottom 5.

 

I still don't understand why, cut the heats from 8-7 and increase the finalists from 10-12

I really hate the way juries are so influential in this (even if it was a relief that Nano didn't win)! The public votes are barely worth counting up they're so close.

Proof that andra chansen should only provide two finalists since all four finished in the bottom 5.

 

I still don't understand why, cut the heats from 8-7 and increase the finalists from 10-12

It was made to increase quality in general by cutting some no hopers. Plus having more variety in the final is always better.

It was made to increase quality in general by cutting some no hopers. Plus having more variety in the final is always better.

 

I don't think reducing from 8 to 7 has cut the no hopers out. In 3 of the four heats this year there was such an obvious bottom 2 it hurt and in two of those three there was a pretty obvious 5th place as well.

Yeah let's just get rid of the entire thing and make a top 5 final and be done with it. Are you proposing that? I don't get your point.

Voting Statistics are starting to come out - Heat 3 was the most voted for Heat. Heat 4 was the least.

FO&O were 4th in Heat 3.

Boris beat De Vet Du.

7 songs are here to increase quality and give each song more attention. And it shows. The quality this year in particular has been incredible and it's probably my favourite selection of MF songs yet.

Voting Statistics are starting to come out - Heat 3 was the most voted for Heat. Heat 4 was the least.

FO&O were 4th in Heat 3.

Boris beat De Vet Du.

 

How? Two 4th placers cant duel one another in AC?

How? Two 4th placers cant duel one another in AC?

 

This was for the First Heat. Not AC.

This was for the First Heat. Not AC.

 

Yeah but what you said implied De Vet Du was 4th in their heat and FO&O was 4th in their heat, yet they were put against each other for AC?

Yeah let's just get rid of the entire thing and make a top 5 final and be done with it. Are you proposing that? I don't get your point.

 

My point is, if cutting the heats from 8 acts to 7 was to increase quality, it hasn't worked. As in most of them since the change the bottom 2 has been obvious before anyone sings, yes you get the occasional surprise, but in a year like this with less than steller presenters it feels like they are filling the gap of the 8th song with shit.

 

My other point with the andra chansen songs is. Despite doubling the amount of songs getting through, this year none of them made any impact on the leader board.

 

I do think they should go back to 10 songs in the final, as the votes going to two of the andra chansen songs (that all ended up bottom 5) could actually change the outcome of the final result. The 61 points I Don't Give A and Her Kiss (the bottom 2 with the Swedish public) could in theory change the result.

Robin was my 2nd favourite so happy with the result, especially as Wiktoria was nowhere near!

 

I think the app vote does render the televoting useless as I feared, they can keep the app voting but they need to revert to giving the points out in a preset system. Like what they did pre-2011 ish? I didn't watch it back then, but know they used to give out like 144-122-100 or whatever it was. They need to do that again I think even if it is a step backwards.

My point is, if cutting the heats from 8 acts to 7 was to increase quality, it hasn't worked. As in most of them since the change the bottom 2 has been obvious before anyone sings, yes you get the occasional surprise, but in a year like this with less than steller presenters it feels like they are filling the gap of the 8th song with shit.

 

My other point with the andra chansen songs is. Despite doubling the amount of songs getting through, this year none of them made any impact on the leader board.

 

I do think they should go back to 10 songs in the final, as the votes going to two of the andra chansen songs (that all ended up bottom 5) could actually change the outcome of the final result. The 61 points I Don't Give A and Her Kiss (the bottom 2 with the Swedish public) could in theory change the result.

We will always get "obvious" last placers unless semis consist of 1 song.

 

The purpose of this show is to not necessarily have a surprise upon a surprise in each semi and then have andra chansen finalists all storm the leaderboard and slay in top 5 positions. Yes, it's a bit boring when andra chansen finalists are doomed from the start but it's not always the case.

 

They also need to have a variation there to draw as many viewers as possible. Hence the Owes, Sara Vargas, Dismisseds, etc.

 

The problem is that the votes are super close these days so those 61 points would probably just get redistributed almost equally between the rest of the finalists.

star quality + excellent staging + confidently handsome man + strong hooky instrumental + slick convincing performance = a deserved winner and an excellent package

 

 

I've had a change of heart and am now supporting Robin to win Eurovision. because I thought the 7/1 odds were too tempting

I really think the app vote needs looking at. Not abolishing it completely, technology moves on and app voting is definitely the way forward. However it's clear that having 5 free app votes per song is a problem. These are the points difference between first and last place since the international jury voting was introduced in 2011.

 

2011: 96 points

2012: 136 points

2013: 91 points

2014: 108 points

2015: 162 points

2016: 40 points

2017: 27 points

 

The app was introduced in 2015 but of course there was no app voting in the final because it crashed. The sheer contrast of the past 2 years with the previous ones says it all really. Last night could've been a real nail biter, but with Robin having a 20 point lead in the jury vote, once the televote results were being announced as 30, 31, 32, etc. we knew it was all over. I'd be so interested to see the vote breakdown of phone/SMS votes against the app.

 

Of course it's all the more disappointing that had Loreen made it to the final, she probably would've walked the jury vote and be preparing for Kyiv now. :(

I agree with the app voting basically Nullifying the televote, it's all down to the juries. Needs looked at.

 

However I don't get the Loreen would have walked the jury vote. See no reason why this would be the case at all. Public didn't take to it, why would juries????

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We need to be aware of double standards though. The app system is bad but as long as Loreen benefits from it, everything is fine.

 

Tbh the app system needs some work. We have never had a song which placed THIRD in the televoting win the entire thing! Only 2nd in cases of Las Vegas, Hero and You. A bit of a joke, although Robin is a good winner and I already played the song like 3 times this morning.