Well? i agree that they shouldn't be aloud to wear them in public places where it could make people uncomfortable or could be seen as threatening.....they should respect our culture although wear them in there own privacy or obviously if they are in a place where they have too wear them

Edited October 19, 200618 yr by slimjim

i think its pretty bizarre that anyone should want to dress that way, however, i believe it is part of their culture and in a free society if they chose to dress in that manner they they should be allowed to do so.

Well, people can wear more or less what they like in a free country, however there are practical reasons for asking someone not to wear a veil. For example, if, like that teachinhg assistant who has been in the papers over this, you are doing a job that requires communication, then it's reasonable to say you can't wear a veil as it's hard to understand someone who's voice is muffled by a veil. More importantly, if these women use a passport or any other form of identification that requires a photograph and still wear a veil when trying to get past the security, just how are they supposed to know this woman is who she says she is? She could be anyone who's just stolen someone's card. It may even be a man is disguise. I realise how unlikely that is, but it is certainly possible.

 

It is a bit annoying generally the government seem to tip-toe around issues such as this for fear of offending a minority group.

 

However, I think for the most part this whole issue is a lot of fuss over something which ultimately isn't really important.

Ooh no, not in public!! I wouldn't know if who i was talking to-v dangerous in todays society. Take em off!!

Well? i agree that they shouldn't be aloud to wear them in public places where it could make people uncomfortable or could be seen as threatening.....they should respect our culture although wear them in there own privacy or obviously if they are in a place where they have too wear them

 

Well, if everyone was stopped from wearing things which made the 'majority' feel uncomfortable, then about 75% of MY wardrobe would be heading for the skip right now... Not to mention the fact that people with piercings would probably be stopped as well, or people with 'weird colours' in their hair, people wearing hoodies, people wearing camoflage or army surplus gear (remember Michael Samms, the bloke who shot a lot of people in Hungerford..? Big fan of Army Surplus/Camo gear he was...)..... A hell of a LOT of things can be interpreted as 'making people feel uncomfortable', why just single out the Muslim veil....?

 

The sort of things that I wear pretty much sets me apart from the majority of 'conventional society' as well, so the question is - how far do you wanna take a ban...? Sorry, but I'm inclined to say 'sod 'em' if they dont like it, no one's asking them to wear a veil or a hoodie or a "Jesus Is A c**t" T-shirt or PVC or rubber....

Well, if everyone was stopped from wearing things which made the 'majority' feel uncomfortable, then about 75% of MY wardrobe would be heading for the skip right now... Not to mention the fact that people with piercings would probably be stopped as well, or people with 'weird colours' in their hair, people wearing hoodies, people wearing camoflage or army surplus gear..... A hell of a LOT of things can be interpreted as 'making people feel uncomfortable', why just single out the Muslim veil....?

 

The sort of things that I wear pretty much sets me apart from the majority of 'conventional society' as well, so the question is - how far do you wanna take a ban...? Sorry, but I'm inclined to say 'sod 'em' if they dont like it, no one's asking them to wear a veil or a hoodie or a "Jesus Is A c**t" T-shirt or PVC or rubber....

 

 

good point scott.... maybe we should all HAVE to wear exactly the same uniform, like communists! :lol:

good point scott.... maybe we should all HAVE to wear exactly the same uniform, like communists! :lol:

 

Yeah, we could all wear our 'Chairman Mao' suits.... :lol:

 

This type of isolating, segregating, degrading and offensive clothing has no place in modern-day Britain - modern-day ANYWHERE in fact.

 

An immediate ban, please.

This type of isolating, segregating, degrading and offensive clothing has no place in modern-day Britain - modern-day ANYWHERE in fact.

 

And who the fukk is to decide what is 'offensive' and what isn't. Politicians???? Puh-leeze...... Everyone will will be wearing 'sensible' shoes, a "nice suit" and have a fukkin' short back and sides then.... :lol: Oh, and of course, absolutely NO piercings.....

 

Tell you what, if Blair outlaws the Nun's habit, the Sikh Turban, the Jewish skull cap, the wearing of the Crucifix, the wearing of druidic robes, Hare Krishnas and bans these door-stopping Jehovas fukkin' Witnesses from coming round knocking on your door without any invite, then I'll be all onboard with a ban of the Muslim veil - no question....

I suppose it might be a good idea to point out that I live in the same town that Aisha Azmi, the woman who is at the centre of this current veil debate comes from and, according to several local papers and people I know, much of the Muslim community side with the school and the council's descision that she shouldn't wear the veil considering her job was to communicate with children, and consider her something of an attention seeker.

 

Many of those who seem to think that are actually veil wearing women themselves. A lot said that Azmi should have respect for the school's rules if she wants to work there, should have worked at a Muslim school if she wanted to wear the veil, and one mother made the point that her own children have difficulty understanding her when she has her veil on. Which is just what most people have been saying on this issue- people are free to wear what they like, but if it impairs the job you are doing then you have to dress more appropriately.

 

It looks like this case is yet another example of one individual, several lawyers, the government and the media making a mountain out of a molehill.

Edited October 21, 200618 yr by ghostwriter

I suppose it might be a good idea to point out that I live in the same town that Aisha Azmi, the woman who is at the centre of this current veil debate comes from and, according to several local papers and people I know, much of the Muslim community side with the school and the council's descision that she shouldn't wear the veil considering her job was to communicate with children, and consider her something of an attention seeker.

 

Many of those who seem to think that are actually veil wearing women themselves. A lot said that Amzi should have respect for the school's rules if she wants to work there, should have worked at a Muslim school if she wanted to wear the veil, and one mother made the point that her own children have difficulty understanding her when she has her veil on. Which is just what most people have been saying on this issue- people are free to wear what they like, but if it impairs the job you are doing then you have to dress appropriately.

 

It looks like this case is yet another example of one individual, several lawyers, the government and the media making a mountain out of a molehill.

 

The way I look at it, a state school is a State Institution - ALL religious iconography should be banned, full stop (you know, the whole idea of 'separation of church and state' and all that which our Govt routinely ignores when it suits it...)... Even if that means risking uspsetting a few Catholics, Jews or Sikhs as well... Specialized religious schools, different matter (even though, personally I'd like to see them done away with as well tbh, especially in the State sphere...)...

 

I dont know why such a big thing has been made out of this one case...

 

That teaching assistant who got the sack for wearing one shouldn't have had one on in a school anyway. If they seem threatening to us they must scare the kids. It's not practical for a school, you need to see the teachers face!

I think they should be banned, I have said that in the other thread. It's alright if their in their own country but they arn't get rid of them.

how can you teach properly hidden behind a mask?

 

imagine how dodgy it would be if a MALE was to teach kids clothed in that way!!!

 

if anybody wants a job then they have to abide by the criteria laid down.

she didn't wear the veil when she went for an interview i believe, so she chose when to wear it and when not to. Another thing which caught my eye was the education authority are picking up the lawyers bill for both her and the school, doh. It was stated that the children had difficulty in hearing her in class, so that can't be a good thing. The school tried to accomodate her but she insisted in wearing it at all times.

 

I feel generally you can't wear just what you like in your employment, if other people object. I have to wear a suit in my job, i would prefer not to, but i wouldn't be in a job long. In lots of jobs you wear a uniform, whether you are a nurse,fireman,or even at MacDonalds it doesn't matter. She wouldn't get to dress like that at MacDonalds even so no pretending you can wear what you like in work. She has cost the education department a lot of money, and no doubt her lawyers will appeal to the high court, then the house of lords and then the European court of human rights, and guess who pays for it, you and me the taxpayer. But is she thinking about the kids for one minute, I don't think so, she is selfish and only thinking of herself.

 

I am not necessary saying that is correct but it is a fact. In her private life she can wear what she likes it doesn't bother me, but at school she should remove the veil to teach children, who need to see their teacher so they can feel comfortable at a young age.

Imagine if someone else dressed up as her with the veil and got into the school. Who would know?

They should not wear veils in school although I am surprised she even got the job in the first place but I respect the right of peopleto wear what they want in life be it muslims, chavs, jews, goths or whatever, none of our business

As I understand, this woman works in a primary school as a Teaching Asistant, and quite apart from the fact that from what I understand, she doesn't need to be veiled in the company of children, there are other more practical reasons for not wearing it. I speak from experience, when I say that part of a TA's job is to work with those children who need that extra bit of help. This often involves teaching the correct pronunciation of letters and blends of letters which may sound similar, for instance V and Th. To teach this, the lips and tongue need to be clearly visible, which cannot be done when the TA is wearing a veil covering all, but her eyes.

Well, if everyone was stopped from wearing things which made the 'majority' feel uncomfortable, then about 75% of MY wardrobe would be heading for the skip right now... Not to mention the fact that people with piercings would probably be stopped as well, or people with 'weird colours' in their hair, people wearing hoodies, people wearing camoflage or army surplus gear (remember Michael Samms, the bloke who shot a lot of people in Hungerford..? Big fan of Army Surplus/Camo gear he was...)..... A hell of a LOT of things can be interpreted as 'making people feel uncomfortable', why just single out the Muslim veil....?

 

The sort of things that I wear pretty much sets me apart from the majority of 'conventional society' as well, so the question is - how far do you wanna take a ban...? Sorry, but I'm inclined to say 'sod 'em' if they dont like it, no one's asking them to wear a veil or a hoodie or a "Jesus Is A c**t" T-shirt or PVC or rubber....

 

i agree that people should be able to wear what they like (within reason) but it isn't ever going to happen and some things are acceptable and others aren't with a Veil anyone could be underneath and i actually enjoy wearing hoodies and we arent allowed to wear them out in public anymore but these cover all there faces and obviously with jobs where they have to interact with people, it is obvious that they will have to remove them as they need to communicate with people and it is polite to show there faces and especially with kids!!

 

Maybe you feel ok wearing whatever you want but when it comes to things covering your faces a veil is just the same as a balaclava and why would they need to cover there faces anyway??

i agree that people should be able to wear what they like (within reason) but it isn't ever going to happen and some things are acceptable and others aren't with a Veil anyone could be underneath and i actually enjoy wearing hoodies and we arent allowed to wear them out in public anymore but these cover all there faces and obviously with jobs where they have to interact with people, it is obvious that they will have to remove them as they need to communicate with people and it is polite to show there faces and especially with kids!!

 

Maybe you feel ok wearing whatever you want but when it comes to things covering your faces a veil is just the same as a balaclava and why would they need to cover there faces anyway??

 

The veil is still a piece of religious regalia though, if you ban veils then you have to ban skullcaps (I wear a skullcap on formal occasions) you have to ban nuns outfits you have to ban christian crosses etc, this whole thing about veils no one cared about in this country for hundreds of years but as soon as Straw opens his gob everyone jumps on the bandwagon in the tabloids and their sheep readers :rolleyes: