Could you be more specific?

 

Let me help, cos I agree. They are both self-serving, smug, unprincipled Jeremy Hunts.

 

Happy to help!

...but back on Brexit. This is a fabulous summing up from the always-fab James O'Brien:

 

 

"J.K. Rowling liked

 

James O'Brien

 

Blaming Remainers for the Brexit debacle is like blaming fire alarms for fires."

 

Short and sweet.

The UKIP thread is attempting to make a comeback:

 

Aaaron "Russian-Business-Serial-Meeter" Banks is in a Carribbean tax-haven with Nigel Fathead threatening to rise like a vampire from the dead and lead UKIP again to protest the lack of a Hard Brexit.

 

It will be interesting to see:

 

a) how the investigation into his alleged Russian dealings is going (He is reported to have been virtually bankrupt prior to Referendum day, but is now in a tax haven)

 

b) how Farage, constantly whinging he has no cash, despite his full-time radio job and non-time annual massive salary from the EU, can fly around the world from tax haven to tax haven, from one far-right group in one country to the another far-right group in another country, and still have time to meet the man evading charges holed up in an Embassy in London right after meeting the POTUS.

 

c) If they do better in getting MP's 2nd time around when they flopped when at their very peak.

 

d) It's just shit-stirring against democracy rather than anything realistic bearing in mind they lied about evertything and it's bellending obvious to even the thickest thicko this time round.

 

e) ...and oh yes WE HAVE YET TO ACTUALLY DISCUSS ANYTHING WITH THE EU OF CONSEQUENCE!!!!

The way out is to cancel it.

 

Why are the Tories obsessed with strong and stable when they are anything BUT - student riots, two minority governments, 99% of their MPs from southern England only!

 

Isn't that essentially why Davis/Boris have quit? The deal we were lining up for was pretty much being part of the EU still, just with less influence.

 

And it's still why I am so against a Hard Brexit as despite everyone kicking off NOBODY actually has suggested a better alternative that is not a fantasy pipe dream. There's a reason businesses are speaking out in the press or using lobbying groups.

Let me help, cos I agree. They are both self-serving, smug, unprincipled Jeremy Hunts.

 

Happy to help!

 

Which politicians aren't? :lol:

Meanwhile poor ol Fathead is depressed so has gone fishing in the Caribbean and proudly tweets a picture of a shark he just caught:

 

" Gary Lineker Retweeted

 

Ben Fogle Retweeted Nigel Farage

And caught an endangered Tope shark. Twat."

 

Sums up Farage perfectly. Sees something threatened from extinction and goes ahead and helps it speed up. If it's not sharks it's democracy and people's lives.....

 

Ever used a car insurance online quote company? Then your data has been owned by Aaron Banks, he knows your likes and dislikes, your friends and family, and knows how to target political messages at you if you are remotely appearing to have Brexit-leaning tendancies. As ever, just one woman doing the work that those supposedly tasked to stop this sort of thing fail to do...

 

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018...MP=share_btn_tw

 

 

Just more evidence of institutional inequality and preferential treatment of the right and the posh/ rich

quick summary of the referendum and US election based on an article in The Guardian following a pitiful fine for Facebook and it's part in the corruption:

 

 

"@chrisinsilico

Just to sum up. 1) Facebook broke the law. 2) Cambridge Analytica broke the law. 3) Vote Leave broke the law. 4) LeaveEU broke the law. 5) Brexit and Trump were both won through breaking the law. 6) Facebook let it all happen and covered it up. https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018...alytica-scandal …"

 

and a useful point to add:

 

 

"Carole Cadwalladr Retweeted Christopher Wylie 🏳️‍🌈

Excellent summary. But you left one point out. The government is complicit in covering it up"

 

Corbyn? Labour? Helping get the truth or even doing the job of The Opposition in pushing for proper investigation and criminal investigations as the Americans are? Nah. Prefer to let everything collapse into a huge mess and get power afterwards.

 

quick summary of the referendum and US election based on an article in The Guardian following a pitiful fine for Facebook and it's part in the corruption:

"@chrisinsilico

Just to sum up. 1) Facebook broke the law. 2) Cambridge Analytica broke the law. 3) Vote Leave broke the law. 4) LeaveEU broke the law. 5) Brexit and Trump were both won through breaking the law. 6) Facebook let it all happen and covered it up.

 

Re 5) I think you'll find it impossible to prove that #1-4 were decisive in that.

 

Can you PROVE the steroids people took were decisive in their races?

Can you PROVE the steroids people took were decisive in their races?

 

I never mentioned race? :huh:

Re 5) I think you'll find it impossible to prove that #1-4 were decisive in that.

 

Well certainly I wont be able to prove it. It happened though and the results were both knife-edge thin. It's a reasonable assumption that they were affected or else why did the Russians and millionaires bother to do it? Just pissing about? Why did Banks spend all his money on campaigning and then suddenly end up mysteriously rich from somewhere?

 

So, you can't prove they didnt affect the result and they both believe they did. Cambridge Anal Lickita claimed they did. I'm inclined to believe the illegally democracy-destroying people involved and their claims (found guilty: Facebook. Others: pending. Americans pleading guilty to illegal collaboration: 5). Only a moron would not take it seriously. Otherwise democracy becomes the worldwide biggest-spender and nothing to do with policy.

 

But of course you like the result... Just for the record, if Remain had been found guilty of collaborating with foreign governments, illegal use of money and personal data then I would also call for a re-run of the vote in a close race because it is the only sensible thing to do (I'm assuming Remain had won, hypothetically due to this illegality). Because I have principles.

I never mentioned race? :huh:

 

Well maybe Armstrong would have won anyway without taking them!

Well maybe Armstrong would have won anyway without taking them!

 

He beat the Russians to the moon, fair & square... ;)

Well certainly I wont be able to prove it. It happened though and the results were both knife-edge thin. It's a reasonable assumption that they were affected or else why did the Russians and millionaires bother to do it? Just pissing about? Why did Banks spend all his money on campaigning and then suddenly end up mysteriously rich from somewhere?

 

Perhaps you could explain what motives they could possibly have for doing so?

To destabilise the west and allow Putin to expand his power and Russia. If the west is not united, Ukraine falls and Russia brcomes the USSR again.

Perhaps you could explain what motives they could possibly have for doing so?

 

A) to win

B) to get rich

C) to try and kill the EU and support far-right groups

 

Both Banks & Farage made shitloads out of it wheeling and ealing and manipulating the pound on result night, and/or direct deals with Russians.

 

Both are currently in a Caribbean tax haven laughing at everyone and Farage is busy killing endangered sharks.

To destabilise the west and allow Putin to expand his power and Russia. If the west is not united, Ukraine falls and Russia brcomes the USSR again.

 

I thought you worshiped socialism?

A) to win

B) to get rich

C) to try and kill the EU and support far-right groups

 

Both Banks & Farage made shitloads out of it wheeling and ealing and manipulating the pound on result night, and/or direct deals with Russians.

 

Both are currently in a Caribbean tax haven laughing at everyone and Farage is busy killing endangered sharks.

 

Given what the Nazis did to Russia in WW2, it's hardly logical that Putin would want to *encourage* Far Right groups!

 

Surely Farage is less dangerous fishing for sharks, than leading UKIP?