Back on Brexit lies: May and her new EU lackey announce they are stockpiling food and NHS supplies ahead of a potential hard Brexit, which won't make people panic and start stock-piling food in any way. But we are heading into sunny uplands where the sun never sets on the glorious British Empire and we can just get food from the good ol US of Chlorinated A they keep saying...

 

They don't mean that, gasp, we can expect to stand in line for rations of food do they?! I don't recall that promise in the referendum! Nor do I recall promises that people would die in hospital because they cant get vital medical supplies. Amazon reckons civil disobedience within 2 weeks of a Hard Brexit. I mean, how long are those supplies due to last, a week? a month? a year? forever? This sounds worse than anything Cameron & Osbourne came up when they panicked towards the end of the referendum. Sounds like they were erring on the side of caution lately based on what those organising our EU agreement are saying. Unless they are trying scare tactics for the EU's benefit (Hint: it won't work because they wont be starving or short on medical supplies, and not selling a few cars and bankers not getting access wont make anyone lose sleep)

 

I must say it's come to something when a company that avoids paying huge amounts of tax in the UK in exchange for providing a few jobs to make up for the many more they've driven out of business on the High Street suddenly gets worried that profits might dry up.....

Or mine.

 

Mad May did not win over Brexit North East yesterday. Christ!! Protests and people refusing to ask questions and glaring. She took her whole cabinet up in a show of power to lord it over a region and city that DESPISE her and everything she stands for.

Suedey seemed to be fairly clear in his earlier comment.

 

I note you don't answer any of my Mogg questions.

 

I wasn't so sure though - that's why I asked. :mellow:

 

I thought those questions were rhetorical.

 

Or mine.

 

Mad May did not win over Brexit North East yesterday. Christ!! Protests and people refusing to ask questions and glaring. She took her whole cabinet up in a show of power to lord it over a region and city that DESPISE her and everything she stands for.

 

Surely that's more to do with them being Tories, than with the Brexit issue?

I wasn't so sure though - that's why I asked. :mellow:

 

I thought those questions were rhetorical.

Surely that's more to do with them being Tories, than with the Brexit issue?

 

No, they weren't rhetorical, I'm genuinely interested as to why you don't have any unkind words for liars and hypocrites that lied to you. I'd be LIVID and I'd be attacking them for doing exactly that. Pretty much have done that for Cameron & Osbourne, both "Remainers" and both self-serving, conscience-free, lying hypocrites.

 

Other point: or perhaps it's more to do with all the lies promised about Brexit being undeliverable and the Tory Party having split the whole country to avoid having to split themselves and sort out their own internal bollocks first before throwing us all into the same mess they are in. In case you hadnt noticed it took 2 years to produce a written version of what they actually thought they wanted (and are still arguing about viciously) and 2 months left to discuss with the EU all of the complex ramifications that the list of "demands" (not discussion points) to the EU.

 

By any standard that is breathtaking stupidity and utter uselessness.

 

So maybe even Brexiteers are judging them by how useless they are, have been, and will be.

No, they weren't rhetorical, I'm genuinely interested as to why you don't have any unkind words for liars and hypocrites that lied to you. I'd be LIVID and I'd be attacking them for doing exactly that. Pretty much have done that for Cameron & Osbourne, both "Remainers" and both self-serving, conscience-free, lying hypocrites.

 

Well it's partly to do with cynicism - I have such a low opinion of politicians in general, that I am no longer shocked when they act hypocritically - in fact it's more surprising when they *don't*. In that respect, Rees-Mogg is little worse than any other.

 

Other point: or perhaps it's more to do with all the lies promised about Brexit being undeliverable and the Tory Party having split the whole country to avoid having to split themselves and sort out their own internal bollocks first before throwing us all into the same mess they are in. In case you hadnt noticed it took 2 years to produce a written version of what they actually thought they wanted (and are still arguing about viciously) and 2 months left to discuss with the EU all of the complex ramifications that the list of "demands" (not discussion points) to the EU.

 

By any standard that is breathtaking stupidity and utter uselessness.

 

So maybe even Brexiteers are judging them by how useless they are, have been, and will be.

 

As long as Brexit happens, I'm willing to let the consequences play out, for better or worse.

 

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0xGt3QmRSZY

 

 

It is the Brexiteers saying it would be MADNESS to leave the single market and that we should have the Norway option before the referendum - featuring none other than Farage!

 

So tell me: what did people vote for again??

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0xGt3QmRSZY

It is the Brexiteers saying it would be MADNESS to leave the single market and that we should have the Norway option before the referendum - featuring none other than Farage!

 

So tell me: what did people vote for again??

 

Most leavers voted for a smooth transition to an EU-linked future that wouldnt harm the economy and leave us at least not worse off, but not having to take orders from Brussels and having control over immigration. They were told they could have those things even though they were incompatible with the Irish Border issue, that partners always have say over their own agreements and legally following the agreements, and that immigration is down to jobs needing to be filled and a global economy - not down to freedom of movement, witness the fact that it hasnt gone down much despite limits imposed on non-EU immigrants and EU people going home. All that's happened is the NHS is in crisis and the government has had to abandon May's own policies that she has pursued for many years (and failed at).

 

Their recent lies that a Hard Brexit may be on the cards makes all of their promises for the last 3 years all lies, including assurances that the rights of millions of UK citizens in the EU will be agreed and respected, if they carry out their EU-aimed propaganda threats. They could try growing up and acting like statespeople with a grasp on reality....let's face it everything else they have tried has been a complete disaster, it's the only route left.

 

PS Farage is a liar and a traitor to the UK and democracy. Worth mentioning as often as possible until he shuts up and goes into oblivion with his lies, double-dealings, self-publicising, Russian-supporting, racist, far-right interfering in other nations affairs and sly go-between with Assange and his links to Russia and Breitbart and Banks. It's what the Daily Mail would want me to say, I'm sure, I knwo how they feel about traitors. Still, at least his usual Sunday-Morning PR has been taken away now....

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0xGt3QmRSZY

It is the Brexiteers saying it would be MADNESS to leave the single market and that we should have the Norway option before the referendum - featuring none other than Farage!

 

So tell me: what did people vote for again??

 

Do you really want me to quote the referendum question? :rolleyes:

 

PS Farage is a liar and a traitor to the UK and democracy. Worth mentioning as often as possible until he shuts up and goes into oblivion with his lies, double-dealings, self-publicising, Russian-supporting, racist, far-right interfering in other nations affairs and sly go-between with Assange and his links to Russia and Breitbart and Banks. It's what the Daily Mail would want me to say, I'm sure, I knwo how they feel about traitors. Still, at least his usual Sunday-Morning PR has been taken away now....

 

ISTM that Farage has done more to achieve his party's goals than any other British politician has for a long time.

 

The referendum question cannot be isolated from the referendum promises and campaigning.

 

If you vote Tory for their manifesto but they do anythinf but, that is a perversion of democracy. If you vote leave as promises are made to leave the political, not economic, union, but then they leave the economic, that is a perversion of democracy. It is clear that there is no mandate for Brexit. At all.

The referendum question cannot be isolated from the referendum promises and campaigning.

 

If you vote Tory for their manifesto but they do anythinf but, that is a perversion of democracy. If you vote leave as promises are made to leave the political, not economic, union, but then they leave the economic, that is a perversion of democracy. It is clear that there is no mandate for Brexit. At all.

 

Aren't you really saying there's no mandate for a *specific* kind of Brexit, as there definitely *is* for Leaving the EU in general.

Aren't you really saying there's no mandate for a *specific* kind of Brexit, as there definitely *is* for Leaving the EU in general.

 

Read my points re 'Brexit will take 50 years to have a positive impact' on anyone not uber rich who can move their businesses to Ireland.

 

Hypocrites.

 

Well, if it takes 50 years the vote must be based around the will of the youth vote. Secondly, how many times do I have to repeat about the fact you scraped through a win on lies and populism in the most populous of four nations? There is no mandate in any sense.

Do you really want me to quote the referendum question? :rolleyes:

ISTM that Farage has done more to achieve his party's goals than any other British politician has for a long time.

 

1.Where in the referndum did it say HOW we would leave the EU, and that everything claimed by Leavers was a lie, and using corrupt Russian money, illegally financing the campaign? I know that doesnt bother you but it bothers me a great deal as I believe in fair democracy based on facts, not foreign-led lies and propaganda. We now know the reality (or soon will) and we should have another say because the politicians are a mess and cant be trusted.

 

2. Yes. Illegally. By lying. And dealing with enemy states and forces against democracy. I know that doesnt bother you but it bothers me a great deal. He's a far-right-wing racist traitor.

Aren't you really saying there's no mandate for a *specific* kind of Brexit, as there definitely *is* for Leaving the EU in general.

 

Based on lies.

Well it's partly to do with cynicism - I have such a low opinion of politicians in general, that I am no longer shocked when they act hypocritically - in fact it's more surprising when they *don't*. In that respect, Rees-Mogg is little worse than any other.

As long as Brexit happens, I'm willing to let the consequences play out, for better or worse.

 

1. Yes he is worse because of th potential and likely damage to the nation.

 

2. Yes, even when it's worse, and you wishg to inflict damage on the rest of us because you have unease about the EU in a future you will be dead for and don't care about. All you should be worrying about is how much your state pension (and/or private pension) is indexed linked for all the part you will play in the future of the nation. How, exactly does the EU hurt YOU individually. Now, contemplate a huge economic mess where the state pension is frozen for a decade because we can't afford it. I think young people might come out to vote for a party that promised that?

Why should we have to suffer the consequences for your actions? Brexiters should give up their European rights, not us.

 

On that note, there is another move in Germany to let UK people keep EU citizenship! I wonder if Vidcapper would turn down that offer? :kink:

Based on lies.

 

But the result still stands.

 

Surely you can see that it would be a political minefield to start overturning votes simply because of the nature of the campaign?

 

1. Yes he is worse because of th potential and likely damage to the nation.

 

2. Yes, even when it's worse, and you wishg to inflict damage on the rest of us because you have unease about the EU in a future you will be dead for and don't care about.

 

We *all* die eventually. - so why should we waste our rare chances to vote, in something akin to virtue signalling? If we don't vote for what we truly believe in, what's the point of voting at all? :huh:

 

Why should we have to suffer the consequences for your actions? Brexiters should give up their European rights, not us.

 

On that note, there is another move in Germany to let UK people keep EU citizenship! I wonder if Vidcapper would turn down that offer? :kink:

 

Yes, I would - I never asked for EU citizenship in the first place.

But the result still stands.

 

Surely you can see that it would be a political minefield to start overturning votes simply because of the nature of the campaign?

We *all* die eventually. - so why should we waste our rare chances to vote, in something akin to virtue signalling? If we don't vote for what we truly believe in, what's the point of voting at all? :huh:

Yes, I would - I never asked for EU citizenship in the first place.

 

1. No. If you can't support the truth and democracy then you are against it and there is no further discussion needed. Accepting illegal activity after the event will just encourage it to be the norm and democracy will die. Which is what farage wants of course, as do many of the rich and powerful doing their best to lie constantly to voters.

 

2, Because you dont care about the consequences of your beliefs on other people.

 

3. Here's a tweet from one of those illegallly-acting politicians trying to persuade young voters to accept that is the norm cos they might profit from it, more or less trying to justify the Leave campaign and paying off a young man as a patsy. These are not the actions of believer in democracy, they are the actions of someone who doesn't acre about democracy and rules because "I know best what's best fot you."

 

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Carole Cadwalladr Retweeted Priti Patel MP

And here's another one. Priti Patel, Vote Leave bigwig, overseer of illegal spending op. "We should encourage young people to break the law. I hope you will join me in supporting @darrengrimes_. Who we set up to take the hit. Bung him some cash" Or similar.

 

 

Priti Patel MP

 

We should encourage young people to get involved in politics & support their engagement. I hope you will join me in supporting @darrengrimes"

 

Awful human beings and I have no respect for anyone who tries to justify it is acceptable behaviour to lie to the public and keep lying.

 

 

1. No. If you can't support the truth and democracy then you are against it and there is no further discussion needed. Accepting illegal activity after the event will just encourage it to be the norm and democracy will die. Which is what farage wants of course, as do many of the rich and powerful doing their best to lie constantly to voters.

 

2, Because you dont care about the consequences of your beliefs on other people.

 

1. I don't believe the way the campaign was fought had a significant effect on the result, given the minimal opinion poll variance from start to end of the campaign.

 

2. As I stated earlier, what's the point of my voting at all, if I don't give priority to my own beliefs? If you perceive that as 'not caring', that's your prerogative.

Except that in the real polling data, there was a clear shift from stay to leave? It is why Cameron panicked again.

 

And the fact is it broke the law, perverted democracy, and won by a slender amount based on the votes of the old, and goes against the will of the Scottish, Irish and Gibraltan people. It is being investigated by the police! This is not democracy. It is failed democracy.

1. I don't believe the way the campaign was fought had a significant effect on the result, given the minimal opinion poll variance from start to end of the campaign.

 

2. As I stated earlier, what's the point of my voting at all, if I don't give priority to my own beliefs? If you perceive that as 'not caring', that's your prerogative.

 

1. And I believe it did. Your opinion on a such a narrow win (which farage said wasnt enough to avoid another referendum on the evening of the result when he claimed his side had lost by under 2% - he was lying trying to make himself rich manipulating markets, apparently, as he already knew the result from his own polling companies) can't be proven either way, therefore it should be re-run now we now the facts and your heroes can't lie to you or anyone else.

 

2. I do. Thanks, I was hoping for your blessing that I'm allowed to believe you don't care about a generation of young people who will have to put up with the results of people voting for something they wont live long enough to see. Especially when you tried to convince us for 2 years that we had no proof it was going to be a shitshow, when it actually is a shitshow, and it's obvious we will all be worse off now. Nobody is pretending otherwise, they are just trying to rewrite history that everyone knew what they were voting for, which they didn't. Gullible people believed the liars.

 

I will keep on reminding anyone that claims otherwise on what was promised are lies for the rest of my life until such time as we stay/rejoin the EU. Just like Farage & co have spent decades moaning about being in the EU without actually specifying exactly how it was hurting us. Only I can specify how it IS hurting us.

 

Get used to it. Never gonna stop. Why would anyone knowing they are right do otherwise?