November 5, 200618 yr Excuse me, Bush and B-Liar committed crimes against THE PEOPLE OF IRAQ!!!! ie, murdering about 20-odd thousand of Iraq's civilians under the ridiculous pretexts of WMDS and for that they will probably get the Nobel Peace prize(wtf) :angry:
November 5, 200618 yr Actually, Saddam has been charged with the murder of approximately 180,000 Kurds in the gassings, and that trial has been running concurrently with this one. There's another trial ongoing too, relating to another set of murders of his own people. This one reached a verdict before the others, and if he was to be hanged quickly, the other trials would be terminated, which I'm against. If you're talking about the gassing of Kurds during the Iran/Iraq war, the figure was more like 8000, not 180,000.... We dont hear a whole hell of a lot about this other trial though... It seems the one that's focussed on is the murders in the Shia village.... And do you honestly think that he wont be dealt with quickly now a verdict has been reached, of course he will... The West certainly wont want this lingering on for too long otherwise all the embarrassing details of just how he got the chemicals in order to do the job on the Kurds might just come out into the open, as well as all the dodgy arms deals that were going on between his regime and certain Western arms companies.... Why do you think this lot wasn't heard in a much more open forum in The Hague...?
November 5, 200618 yr One thing has nothing to do with the other. A murderer don´t become inocent because there is another murder. Otherwise, no other criminal could be senteced ever... ...And two wrongs don't make a right either JJN..... Russ is hardly saying that Saddam is somehow 'innocent'..... He's saying that certain others are every bit as guilty and should also be punished....
November 5, 200618 yr I don't think death is a right way of punishment. I don't agree with what Saddam did was right either invading Kwait. I think it's a sick way of punishment especially hanging! Rotting in prison for life means he will serve his time for what he did!
November 5, 200618 yr If you're talking about the gassing of Kurds during the Iran/Iraq war, the figure was more like 8000, not 180,000.... I'm just repeating what they were saying on BBC News earlier. We dont hear a whole hell of a lot about this other trial though... You should have watched BBC News channel. They had a lengthy discussion about it, but obviously the trial that has reached a verdict and passed the death sentence is bound to be the lead story if you only catch the bulletins. And do you honestly think that he wont be dealt with quickly now a verdict has been reached, of course he will... I'd like it to be over quickly, simply so the Iraqi people can move on, but as much as I love a good conspiracy theory, I don't think the West can rush through the appeal. The people who are experts in Iraqui law seem to think it could take a year and a half for the appeal to be complete. If no appeal had been lodged then the sentence would have required to have been carried out within 30 days. As I said before, I want him to have to sit through all his trials. I don't know which West you are talking about, but this particular Westerner hopes all the details come out in a fair trial. I hope all the dodgy arms dealers get shamed, but none of that diminishes what Saddam did long before Bush or Blair came into power. Why do you think this lot wasn't heard in a much more open forum in The Hague...? I've no idea, but it seemed to be considered important to let the new Iraqi state deal with it. Do you know? My personal opnion is that crimes against humanity should be tried in an international court, but at the end of the day, the important thing is that a vicious dictator and his hench-men face some kind of reasonable legal system, and the people of Iraq get to rebuild their country.
November 5, 200618 yr Rotting in prison for life means he will serve his time for what he did! ..And at least there wouldn't be any chance of him becoming a martyr to the Insurgent's cause....
November 5, 200618 yr I don't think death is a right way of punishment. I don't agree with what Saddam did was right either invading Kwait. I think it's a sick way of punishment especially hanging! Rotting in prison for life means he will serve his time for what he did! Bush invaded a country too without UN permission and got away with it, Bush killed 20,000+ Iraqi civilians by using cluster bombs on residential areas of Baghdad and got away with it, I have no sympathy for Hussein but Bush deserves to be facing the gallows too
November 5, 200618 yr Bush invaded a country too without UN permission and got away with it, Bush killed 20,000+ Iraqi civilians by using cluster bombs on residential areas of Baghdad and got away with it, I have no sympathy for Hussein but Bush deserves to be facing the gallows too Why didn't they catch Saddam before the war?? We are talking about something that happened 20 years ago and then America think they can go to war with Iraq for what ever reason!
November 5, 200618 yr I don't know which West you are talking about, but this particular Westerner hopes all the details come out in a fair trial. I hope all the dodgy arms dealers get shamed, but none of that diminishes what Saddam did long before Bush or Blair came into power. Depends on which Bush you're actually talking about though dunnit..? Saddam was big mates with the Reagan/Bush Sr Administration, and many of the current crop of scumbags in Bush Jr's team - Rumsfeld, Cheney, etc - were perfectly happey to let Saddam do whatever the hell he wanted during the 80s... The Ba'athists came to power under the wings of a CIA-sponsored coup d'etat in the first place (Bush Sr being a former director of the CIA let's not forget).... America, and in particular the Bushes and their political allies, have always been neck deep in Saddam's sh!t.... However, all that came to an end in 1990 when Saddam had the nerve to interfere with US (or rather BUSH family..) oil interests in Kuwait... You can gas as many Kurds, Shias or Marsh Arabs as you want, but you interfere in US oil interests, then you're gonna get ass-fukked.... And, by the "West", I mean the Western political establishment and the Multinational Military/Industrial Complex....
November 5, 200618 yr Omg they're going to HANG him? :o That's just wrong imo. -_- death is the usual punishment for mass murder in those countries...
November 5, 200618 yr death is the usual punishment for mass murder in those countries... Hmmm, well, Bush and B-Liar should bear this in mind then..... :lol: :lol:
November 5, 200618 yr News reports that the country is now beginning to see demonstrations based upon ethnic divides... Shias in support of the death sentence, Sunnis in support of Saddam..... This is not going to end well...... :unsure:
November 5, 200618 yr I wonder if Bush will arrange for an air bubble injection of Hussein before the appeal or end of the appeal so that he can conveniently die of a heart attack
November 5, 200618 yr tbh Im not bothered, kill saddam and it wont bother me, keep him alive, wont bother me
November 5, 200618 yr I don't think death is a right way of punishment. I don't agree with what Saddam did was right either invading Kwait. I think it's a sick way of punishment especially hanging! Rotting in prison for life means he will serve his time for what he did! I have to agree with letting people live their lives in jail. It'll take away their dignity, and won't let them go out in a blaze of glory by hanging :angry:
November 5, 200618 yr Hmmm, well, Bush and B-Liar should bear this in mind then..... :lol: :lol: bush yes, not blair, we dont have the death penalty here :P
November 5, 200618 yr News reports that the country is now beginning to see demonstrations based upon ethnic divides... Shias in support of the death sentence, Sunnis in support of Saddam..... This is not going to end well...... :unsure: of course it wont, it never was going to end peacefully, regardless of wether or not 'we' were involved. tbh, with religious issues becoming more prominent, energy prices rising, the pressures on society due to immigration, im not liking the vision of the future that is becoming evident.... the future is looking very bleak.
November 6, 200618 yr The media circus surrounding this makes me SICK. Now tomorrow on the train and at the office I'll have to listen to a bunch of dumbasses saying "Well, yeah, he was a terrible man. I guess justice has been served." WHAT THE **** DO YOU KNOW? And why the **** pretend like you give a ****? All of this just proves Bush won despite his idiotic failure. Saddam is the enemy because he has WMD and is a threat to the world. oh, wait, no, Saddam is the enemy because he was a cruel dictator over the poor, noble Iraqis. "Operation Iraqi Freedom" and other such bull$h!t. Meanwhile Iraqis shrug and go on trying to SURVIVE in the WARZONE that Iraq has become and western papers have the nerve to headline Saddam's verdict in the largest possible print??? And worse, people here actually PRETEND like they GIVE A $h!t??? Sorry if this rambling makes no sense but I'm just livid right now.
November 6, 200618 yr I think this is whole trial was just a way that Bush and the American government in general can have Saddam Hussein killed while being able to say they didn't actually kill him as they didn't give the sentence.
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