Good news, hopefully many PSB fans will buy it as well :D

 

 

 

that's so great... but still i can't understand what's going on with some of the robbie fans :mellow:

 

but still i can't understand what's going on with some of the robbie fans :mellow:

 

what do you mean david??

http://charly1300.perso.orange.fr/nouveauclassement.htm

 

No 2 in European Airplay Chart

http://charly1300.perso.orange.fr/nouveauclassement.htm

 

No 2 in European Airplay Chart

 

 

yaaaaaaaaaaay!!!!! :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance:

 

We know what's good! :kink: :yahoo: :yahoo: :yahoo:

 

 

 

yaaaaaaaaaaay!!!!! :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance:

 

We know what's good! :kink: :yahoo: :yahoo: :yahoo:

 

 

Well if he keeps getting treated like he is a present in the UK - it WILL be Britains loss & Europes gain - he has a massive fan base in Europe ( Germany ) in particular ---- he must be right P****D off at present with the reaction in the UK.... .The guy deserves more....

The power of the UK press. That's what's caused all the UK negativity. :angry:

The power of the UK press. That's what's caused all the UK negativity. :angry:

I think its more than just the press. You'd think by now people would know better than to trust or believe the UK press. There were alot of fans hugely disappointed with Rudebox and I saw the turnaround starting to happen way before that. I think, even though, it was Rob's biggest selling album, IC started the turnaround with some fans and that just continued and snowballed with Rudebox. I honestly think that people in the UK have just got very bored with Rob. The things that they used to like about him seem to now be annoying them or just putting them off and that's a shame but for an artist that's been at it for over 10 years I suppose its not surprising. You'd just think that his home country would be proud of him and his success instead of trying to tear him down at every given opportunity :rolleyes:

 

Also with the UK, I think the biggest thing that affected how he's being treated by press and some fans alike is him moving to LA and making it his home. I remember at the time when he first moved out there, there was alot of negative talk going on and how he's basically abandoning and/or betraying his country and the place that made him famous. I think alot of people still have not forgiven him for that and still hold a grudge. There was alot of negative talk on another site - a UK site - when the rumour of him launching the swing album in Vegas was going around. It was a reaction of how dare he launch an album in the US.

 

From the looks of it, the British are very fickle and unforgiving :(

RF4L while I agree with your post in the main, I cannot agree to the last line at all.

 

The Brits are very loyal and very forgiving, unless things overstep the mark, as in the Michael Barrymore case, we put up with his marlarkies for yonks and he was still loved and liked until it went too far and now there is probably no-way back, or if there is, its a long road.

 

If anything, and please forgive me if you don't agree, I think your last line refers much more to the superficial world on your side, aka finger down the throat Hollywood and everyone who seems to lap that up with such importance until next year.

Edited February 25, 200718 yr by Susie

what do you mean david??

 

 

I am talkin' about thouse who critises him these days....

 

 

Rudebox is amazing!!!!

I think its more than just the press. You'd think by now people would know better than to trust or believe the UK press. There were alot of fans hugely disappointed with Rudebox and I saw the turnaround starting to happen way before that. I think, even though, it was Rob's biggest selling album, IC started the turnaround with some fans and that just continued and snowballed with Rudebox. I honestly think that people in the UK have just got very bored with Rob. The things that they used to like about him seem to now be annoying them or just putting them off and that's a shame but for an artist that's been at it for over 10 years I suppose its not surprising. You'd just think that his home country would be proud of him and his success instead of trying to tear him down at every given opportunity :rolleyes:

 

Also with the UK, I think the biggest thing that affected how he's being treated by press and some fans alike is him moving to LA and making it his home. I remember at the time when he first moved out there, there was alot of negative talk going on and how he's basically abandoning and/or betraying his country and the place that made him famous. I think alot of people still have not forgiven him for that and still hold a grudge. There was alot of negative talk on another site - a UK site - when the rumour of him launching the swing album in Vegas was going around. It was a reaction of how dare he launch an album in the US.

 

From the looks of it, the British are very fickle and unforgiving :(

 

Yes, I tend to agree. I don't think it was just IC though. I think, as far as the UK goes anyway, it has been a whole load of different things. Such as moving to LA, splitting with Guy, writing with Stephen, the new direction etc. Alot of the public just want him to be like bloody Westlife and release ballad after ballad, which is simply ridiculous. <_<

Can't say I'm surprised, but still miserable. Apparently She's Madonna is doing really well in Europe while it looks set to flop in the UK. :puke2:

Like Scotty says, I think there's a number of reasons for that development, the negative press certainly being one of them but probably not the only one.

I bet there are many who still love Rob and have written messages of support when they hard the rehab news, but who will probably not buy the single.

Sadly the sales figures are what he is being judged after and if She's Madonna bombs in the UK (which I'm afraid it will the way things look now) the voices of "Robbie's career is finished" will get even louder ... :cry: :arrr:

I think its more than just the press. You'd think by now people would know better than to trust or believe the UK press. There were alot of fans hugely disappointed with Rudebox and I saw the turnaround starting to happen way before that. I think, even though, it was Rob's biggest selling album, IC started the turnaround with some fans and that just continued and snowballed with Rudebox. I honestly think that people in the UK have just got very bored with Rob. The things that they used to like about him seem to now be annoying them or just putting them off and that's a shame but for an artist that's been at it for over 10 years I suppose its not surprising. You'd just think that his home country would be proud of him and his success instead of trying to tear him down at every given opportunity :rolleyes:

 

Also with the UK, I think the biggest thing that affected how he's being treated by press and some fans alike is him moving to LA and making it his home. I remember at the time when he first moved out there, there was alot of negative talk going on and how he's basically abandoning and/or betraying his country and the place that made him famous. I think alot of people still have not forgiven him for that and still hold a grudge. There was alot of negative talk on another site - a UK site - when the rumour of him launching the swing album in Vegas was going around. It was a reaction of how dare he launch an album in the US.

 

From the looks of it, the British are very fickle and unforgiving :(

 

RF4L

 

I suppose it depens on what way you look at it really & what you prefer.

I happen to think that IC is actually one of his best Albums ot date, great lyrics, great voice( best to date ) & I was amazed at his concerts last year & noticed how many people were actually singing along to the songs from IC which means that they had bought the album & had actually listened to a lot of the songs. - It also got good reviews from the papers at that time.

The difference is that this time the papers ( especially the Mirror ) were out to get Rob in a personal way & to make sure that Rudebox was criticised at every opportunity - his remarks & defence of Kate Moss really got under their skins & actually stopped them from writing a lot worse than they eventually did about Kate & the one person to suffer over that whole eposide now is Rob. No one can tell me that its anything else & unfortunately people believe most of what was written about Rudebox.

His management should never have allowed that album to be released with personal promotion from Rob .. what a waste of a great album.

Its too late now & I done think that they should have gone ahead with the release of She's Madonna... its too late now.......

 

She' Madonna track listing

 

CD Single 1 - 2 Track CD (CDCHS5163):

She's Madonna

Never Touch That Switch - Switch Remix

 

CD Single 2 - Maxi CD (CDCHSS5163):

She's Madonna

She's Madonna - Chris Lake Remix

She's Madonna - Kris Menace Vocal Re-Interpretation

She's Madonna - Kris Menace Dub

 

DVD Single (DVDCHS5163):

She's Madonna - Video

Never Touch That Switch - Nightmoves' Liars Club Remix

Never Touch That Switch - Dark Horse Dub Mix

Robbie Williams Drag Interview

She's Madonna Photo Gallery

 

Digital Download Exclusive:

She's Madonna - Dark Horse Remix

 

She's Madonna Promo CD:

She's Madonna [Radio Edit]

She's Madonna

She's Madonna [instrumental]

I agree IC is a great album, I personally love it. And yes alot of people bought the album and loved it but there were also those that didn't like it and thought it was the biggest mistake of Rob's career to even write with Stephen Duffy. I think they make a great team and write very well together and Stephen is a very good influence on Rob and that was evident with IC. He's much more trusting and gives Rob the self confidence he needs or needed after he split with Guy.

 

There are alot of factors that has led to the way he's being treated now, yes splitting with Guy certainly was a big one, as was the move to LA and his outspoken-ness about the the whole Kate Moss thing and his criticism of the UK media in general didn't do him any good so now they're sticking their knives in him.

 

I apologize if I offended anyone with my comments, it was not my intention. I shouldn't have said the UK public is fickle and unforgiving but rather say that Robbie fans are. IMO. He sold hundreds of thousands of tickets in the UK alone and played to that many on the tour, if you'd ask the majority of those attending they'd say they're fans and big fans at that. I just wish those people would put their money where their mouths are and buy the album and the singles. Unfortunately, talk is cheap and the only way he's judged in the public eye is through sales. Where are all those people that call themselves fans ?! I can more or less see where the UK tabloids can say that his fanbase is diminishing and so is his career. Alot of fans thought that they'd teach him a lesson by not buying the album or the singles so he'd go back to doing something they want him to. IMO, if you call yourself a loyal fan of an artist you support them and by showing support you buy the albums and the singles. But within the UK his sales went down which means not a lot of people bought the album and the singles haven't done well either which shows they haven't bought those either. Just based on that anyone would be right in saying that the UK fanbase has diminished.

I agree IC is a great album, I personally love it. And yes alot of people bought the album and loved it but there were also those that didn't like it and thought it was the biggest mistake of Rob's career to even write with Stephen Duffy. I think they make a great team and write very well together and Stephen is a very good influence on Rob and that was evident with IC. He's much more trusting and gives Rob the self confidence he needs or needed after he split with Guy.

 

There are alot of factors that has led to the way he's being treated now, yes splitting with Guy certainly was a big one, as was the move to LA and his outspoken-ness about the the whole Kate Moss thing and his criticism of the UK media in general didn't do him any good so now they're sticking their knives in him.

 

I apologize if I offended anyone with my comments, it was not my intention. I shouldn't have said the UK public is fickle and unforgiving but rather say that Robbie fans are. IMO. He sold hundreds of thousands of tickets in the UK alone and played to that many on the tour, if you'd ask the majority of those attending they'd say they're fans and big fans at that. I just wish those people would put their money where their mouths are and buy the album and the singles. Unfortunately, talk is cheap and the only way he's judged in the public eye is through sales. Where are all those people that call themselves fans ?! I can more or less see where the UK tabloids can say that his fanbase is diminishing and so is his career. Alot of fans thought that they'd teach him a lesson by not buying the album or the singles so he'd go back to doing something they want him to. IMO, if you call yourself a loyal fan of an artist you support them and by showing support you buy the albums and the singles. But within the UK his sales went down which means not a lot of people bought the album and the singles haven't done well either which shows they haven't bought those either. Just based on that anyone would be right in saying that the UK fanbase has diminished.

 

I find it hard to believe that a lot of people did not like IC, - seems a bit odd due to the fact that it sold nearly & 7 ml to date & is still selling I believe. I can see what happened with Rudebox - people were put right off straight away & kept away from it ... that did not happen with IC as it still has loads of songs that appeals to what is called the ' Normal ' Robbie fan & that is why so many of the audiences at his concerts last summer were able to sing along with him & really knew the words.

I still feel that the problem with what is going on now started with the bad timing of the release of Rudebox. It stiil sold pretty well for an album that is so different but I can bet that if Robbie did not have a world tour on & that if he was personally promoting Rudebox on TV shows in the UK & elsewhere , then the sales of Rudebox would have been way higher than they were. The personal touch & plenty of live performances on TV make all the difference when promoting an album.... at the moment look at TT -- they are on about every show that is out there on TV at the moment - last night on Skating on Ice & again on repeat today ... The Late Late Show in Ireland on Saturday night... all this really helps in the promotion of an album.

The press took full advantage of the fact that Robbie was away on tour & could not either defend himself or promote a completely new type of music to his fans.,

What a big mistake --- PR S**T I call it , bad management decisions & desperation on the part of EMI & now the price is being paid.....

I still think that Robbie is the best artist out there & I have no doubt that when he returns & is able to promote his new sing album that the result will be entirely different.

BTW - Never feel that you offend anyone with your comments ( which are always lovely ). Its easy to gett carried away with what is going on , but I personally have full faith in Robbie that he will be back in one fashion or another... if some of his UK fans choose to go elsewhere ,.,so be it.... he still has about 500k that were willing to give him a chance & he sold 500k of Rudebox in Argentina where they dont even speak the same language.

Robbie is a long way from being finished in his career ... he has a huge fanbase worldwide & plenty there to support him. A few live TV performances in a few countries & he will be back on form. You dont go from selling 3.7 million tickets to nothing overnight.

Edited February 25, 200718 yr by TessaT

I'd say it was EMI in desperation pushing a release out personally but as you say the whole timing of it was not right and of course he has suffered from misguidance on the first release from it, and not having the time to promote it properly.

 

As for the UK press, sometimes I wish he would just look after himself and keep his mouth shut when it comes to other celebs, especially ones that don't return the favour.

 

:puke2:

I'd say it was EMI in desperation pushing a release out personally but as you say the whole timing of it was not right and of course he has suffered from misguidance on the first release from it, and not having the time to promote it properly.

 

As for the UK press, sometimes I wish he would just look after himself and keep his mouth shut when it comes to other celebs, especially ones that don't return the favour.

 

:puke2:

 

 

Susie - I agree with you there , but that is Robbie's personality & he is not gonna change now - probably why we love him so much... but I know every now & then you fell like saying ' ' SHUSH ' .. the press do take advantage of the fact that he says everything out in his interviews & use most of what he says to use in their stories in the papers ( change it a little bit here & there ) . In fairness Robbie must be a journalists dream in terms of giving them ammunition....Well I dont think that is gonna change now... Do you....

 

Hopefully given a few months & when things quiten down with the press he may come back in the Autumn to promote his new swing album on TV & it should do very well.....In the meantime its heads down in the bunkers - if you get my meaning....

 

 

i can only speak for germany and here everyone loves robbie still.. IC was so successful here selling almost 1.2 million copies.. his most successful album, and his tour was also THE THING beside the football world championship.. press, media and fans still love him and there's no negativity.. When germans love someone they will love the one forever... RUDEBOX still Top 20 on the german albums charts!

i can only speak for germany and here everyone loves robbie still.. IC was so successful here selling almost 1.2 million copies.. his most successful album, and his tour was also THE THING beside the football world championship.. press, media and fans still love him and there's no negativity.. When germans love someone they will love the one forever... RUDEBOX still Top 20 on the german albums charts!

 

 

Stevyy

 

I am well aware of that & Rob is defiantely aware of that... I remember him saying on a BBC radio interview about two years ago how much he loved Germany & the German people & how much he appreciated the unfailing support that he gets in Germany. The interviewer was inclined to slag the Germans off but Rob was having none of it.

I always look at the sight of the fans at the Hockenheim race track last Summer & the reaction of the fans to Rob so I am well aware of how much you think if him & well done to the Geman people... they know a good thing when they see it..... so good on all of you.

You have really cheered me up & made my day.

 

So Guten Nicht Stevyy - my little bit of German.. that is as far as its goes. :heart:

 

That's what I call dedication stevvy. Yes Germany has always been good to Rob and he has always loved Germany and its people for their unfailing support

 

Susie, I agree with you, I too wish sometimes he would just keep a tight lip but as TessaT says that's just not Rob and is why we love him so much, because he is so honest and speaks from the heart. Doesn't do him any favours sometimes but I wouldn't change him for the world. He is in the minority of celebrities who speak their mind instead of being poilitically correct and saying the right thing. His big mouth is one of the things that I love and admire about Rob.