November 1, 20204 yr I am not a big fan of swing either, but I LOVE Incredible. It's already stuck in my head. Personally, I am very excited about this album, cause, so far, I have been loving both singles. I am actually ok now with Gary and TT experimenting a bit more, cause I have been looking at other artists' progression over time and it's really boring to always be offered the same things. Even though we may not like everything Gary puts out, at least he keeps us guessing and he gives us diversity. I'd rather be surprised - positively or negatively - than bored. I have listened to Sam Smith's latest offerings and they certainly are no different from what he's done in the past. I'm sure Gary has some ballads on the album, that will satisfy the hardcore fans, but I believe he's releasing the right songs as singles, so far. From the comments I've seen, people enjoy the more uptempo, happy songs. You can't deny they're incredible :P
November 1, 20204 yr It is more a question if you want to see him/TT be successful. The majority of hard core fans do not like the changes and for the general public TT or even Gary are interesting live. If they buy an album is another question.
November 1, 20204 yr I want to see him enjoy making music and performing. If being successful means puting out sex garbage like Ariana Grande, I'd rather he weren't successful. I admire people passionate about something, nut just chasing fame and money. If success comes from what Gary puts out, that's a bonus, if not, at least he has his dignity left.
November 1, 20204 yr Author Here it is! It'll be fantastic promo for it over the next 2 months _FoNQygNHls
November 1, 20204 yr Author The advert is having its TV debut tonight from 8pm during Family Fortunes!
November 1, 20204 yr It is more a question if you want to see him/TT be successful. The majority of hard core fans do not like the changes and for the general public TT or even Gary are interesting live. If they buy an album is another question. I'm in that category, I do of course want them to continue been successful but more importantly I want to enjoy what they release but to be fair up until recently both take that and Gary have provided me with a huge amount of music I love and I wouldd go and see either live in a flash as they are brilliant live. Will I continue buying albums I'm not so sure, up until now I'd have pre ordered the album without hesitation, now I'm.unsure if il even buy it.
November 4, 20204 yr I wonder will the argos add help give it a lift. I heard this on Heart London this morning and on TV this evening. I really like it. A lot of people this morning said they thought it sounded like it belonged in a musical. Hope it does well for him. :)
November 4, 20204 yr But Dare is not swing, is it? I couldn't compare these 2 songs. cause they sound very different to me.
November 5, 20204 yr I would prefer Dare to incredible and elita. But it”s nice cause we have so many options. You enjoy Dare, others enjoy Elita, others Incredible.... We don”t have to choose, cause there are plenty of options for everyone. I would be over the moon with an entire album of Elita-like songs from Gary, although I am madly in love with the ballads he writes. You must admit that Elita is opening a whole new market for Gary. The comment section is 90% South Americans, loving the song. I can understand that the Western Europe is not very used to this sound, but that doesn”t mean it”s not enjoyable. For me, it feels so familiar and nostalgic, in a way, that I can”t hep but perceive it as infectious and I am a bit disappointed to see that others don”t enjoy it as much. I certainly hope it grows on people. Incredible is just....fun and catchy and Christmasy...it just puts a smile on my face. Are there other songs of Gary”s I love more? Certainly. But that does not stop me from liking these ones as well. If they were bad songs, I could understand, but they are good songs, that deserve to be appreciated on their own and not put against others. Edited November 5, 20204 yr by milly
November 5, 20204 yr Milly, I am not following it in that detail, but when you say Elita opens a new market for Gary....does it pay off? Does Elita chart in these new markets? I think it is a question in what you want: sell records or sell music. When artists like Gary, TT or Robbie have reached the almost legend status rarely a new kind of music outside of their core fans comfort zone pay off in records sell. The last time it happened was Candy which most Rob fans hated but the general public loved. Only being interested and not buying is not really helpful in reference of success. Then it is only about a different style of music.
November 5, 20204 yr Milly, I am not following it in that detail, but when you say Elita opens a new market for Gary....does it pay off? Does Elita chart in these new markets? I think it is a question in what you want: sell records or sell music. When artists like Gary, TT or Robbie have reached the almost legend status rarely a new kind of music outside of their core fans comfort zone pay off in records sell. The last time it happened was Candy which most Rob fans hated but the general public loved. Only being interested and not buying is not really helpful in reference of success. Then it is only about a different style of music. Selling records is a sign of success only in certain countries. I”m not sure people in South America are really record buyers, just like us, Romanians and many other people aren”t. I, personally, haven”t bought/downloaded one single Romanian song/album EVER. However, my buying Gary”s album counts towards UK sales, because I buy it either via Amazon.uk either via the official store and I know that most foreign fans do as well. We will never truly know the measure of the „success” of such artists in most countries, because fans never buy the records through national channels...or at all. However, it”s enough to take a look at the comment section in Elita and then at the comment sections in all the other Gary/TT songs and you”ll see a massive difference in the target audience. I don”t know if that makes Gary successful or not in South America, but he has definitely reached this market to a certain degree. I am, honestly, not that interested in the charts anymore, cause, since streaming happened and even before that, they have become a joke. Of course I would love Gary to be „successful” in that regard too, only because I know how vile media can be and how much people still enjoy to bash on Gary, no matter what the reason, but I am now at the point where I see chart success only as a bonus. For me, being interested, even if not buying, is much more important. You have to understand that, for most countries, buying a music album is a luxury. I am pretty sure countries in South America don”t fall under the „rich” countries category and do not have a reputation of music buyers, so you cannot ask more from them than mere interest. We would know if people there are real fans only if Gary put up concert tickets up for sale - there is no other way of measuring his „success” in such countries. I don”t think you can really compare Elita to Candy. Candy was written with the specific intention of being a solely commercial song and of selling. Even if Gary co-wrote it, most adult fans cannot deny it”s trash. I don”t believe Elita can be labelled as such and it doesn”t mark just a change of style with the purpose of reaching a larger audience. I think Gary was well aware of the fact that he would alienate many of his UK fans with Elita, yet he went ahead with it, because he liked that musical direction, which shows integrity.
November 5, 20204 yr I agree in many of your thoughts, Milly. However artist want to be successful. Fans want their artists to be successful, at least this is what I want with the few I really like. Artists need to earn money, they do not earn money with album sales if they are not Adele. So it is about tours. I see that tours of Gary or TT did never sell somewhere outside UK or Ireland at least not to their standards. I wonder if this will be different because I do a song which sounds like a certain target group. Will he sell in Russia if he sings Russian? There had been lots of Russian comments underneath Party like a Russian of Robbie. This did not make the song a success. Do Gary, TT or Rob still want success? I am sure. I think the success of Gary's album will show after the ITV special and I think this will pay off for him
November 5, 20204 yr I think Gary would still want his solo music to be successful, he often talks about the lack of success for 12 months so i doubt he wants to ever experience that again. I understand some of the points though and Gary does like to be creative and there is no doubt he has been very creative with this album but whether people will appreciate the creativity is out of his hands.
