is Heat Waves up weather-related?

Heat Waves has had a bit of a second wind on TikTok lately!

is Heat Waves up weather-related?

 

It'd only be weather related in the sense of people desperate for one as it's been pretty meh in the UK for weeks.

I feel like this a discussion we've all already made our minds up on but the reality is prior to streaming album bombs simply weren't possible due to singles being released separately to albums. I don't think it's all that unreasonable to keep hold of the distinction between singles and albums by capping the number of songs eligible from an album for the singles chart. What I do find unreasonable is the idea that you cycle the whole albums tracks as long as the albums popular, just choose a few lead singles to be eligible for the chart and be done with it.

But if you just choose a few lead singles and then you're done with it, what about singles that get promoted after the album release (Save Your Tears, for example)? What about songs that aren't singles but immediately resonate with fans and become a standout hit from the album on release (Galway Girl, for example, didn't become a single until a week after the album release, and was chosen as a single because it was the standout hit)? What about songs that become a standout hit but never become official singles (favorite crime, for example)?

I don't think we should try to cling to the past and alter the rules of the chart to prevent something from happening today just because it wasn't possible in the past. Streaming is the way that people listen to music now, and streaming allows for these incredibly impressive album bombs on occasion, and we should embrace that, not reject it. They only happen occasionally and almost always clear up after a couple weeks at most anyway.

If anything the bigger problem is the way all of the same xmas songs clog up the chart for a month every single year (not saying that the rules should be changed to ban that, just saying that it's inconsistent to ban album bombs even though xmas bombs are arguably the bigger problem when it comes to "clogging up" the chart).

Kanye should be allowed an album bomb imo. I don't like his music (or personality) at all, but if he has 27 of the 100 most popular tracks of the week then he should have 27 entries in the OCC Top 100 for the week. The chart is simply meant to be an accurate representation of the most popular tracks of the week and the 3 song rule and ACR prevent it from doing its job properly imo

 

the chart is a joke and we all know it. I would suggest a certain gradual decline [week by week, something like 5-10% decline] on the stream impact in the chart which would give the possibility of a more interesting and active chart... Regarding the 3 songs rule even though its saving the day there could be a different approach there too. Another suggest could be that the artist could register songs to be included in the singles chart based on some kind of commitment, maybe a music video or i dont know and those sales should be invalid / not counted towards the album chart/sales. there maybe the artists should be forced to maintain a balance too. what do u think?

 

How that would make the chart LESS a joke?

How that would make the chart LESS a joke?

 

More active. No number ones for 3 months or stable top 3. Release date would matter also. More competition. Ditch the double ( album single ) stream count. Many more.

Spotify is now showing separate play counts for the different versions of 'Jail' and 'Ok Ok' so I expect they'll be uncombined in tomorrow's update.

 

...or not, oops! (they have at least switched the version of 'Ok Ok' that appears in the chart to the part 1 version but they are still combined). I guess it took a few days to fix the last time something like this happened (when the clean and explicit versions of J. Cole's '4 5 . s o u t h' were separated).

 

Impressive to see most of his songs rising today - of course it helps that they have a full 24 hours now compared to only having half the day before that but that still had to offset the number of people who just listened through once on the day of release to never return to it, so it still indicates that people are coming back to this album and the album bomb might be sticking around for a while. -cue it now collapsing on day 3 because I am terrible at predicting things- x

the chart is a joke and we all know it. I would suggest a certain gradual decline [week by week, something like 5-10% decline] on the stream impact in the chart which would give the possibility of a more interesting and active chart... Regarding the 3 songs rule even though its saving the day there could be a different approach there too. Another suggest could be that the artist could register songs to be included in the singles chart based on some kind of commitment, maybe a music video or i dont know and those sales should be invalid / not counted towards the album chart/sales. there maybe the artists should be forced to maintain a balance too. what do u think?

Hmmm it'd probably be better than the current system but personally I don't think there should be any manipulation of the figures. I think it should be 100:1 for paid streams and 600:1 for free streams (and 1:1 for actual sales of course) and then that's it, and wherever songs land is where they land, regardless of how old they are, how long they've been on the chart, or how many other songs the artist has on the chart.

Edited August 31, 20213 yr by Gameskiller01

I think some sort of limit on album bombs clogging up the singles chart is sensible, but what I hate is when you get the Doja / Olivia farce of tracks starring and unstarring themselves week by week. I think it’s fair enough that a song should need to be in an artist’s top 3 to ENTER but once it’s charted it should be in for good.

Edited August 31, 20213 yr by JulianT

I think some sort of limit on album bombs clogging up the singles chart is sensible, but what I hate is when you get the Doja / Olivia farce of tracks starring and unstarring themselves week by week. I think it’s fair enough that a song should need to be in an artist’s top 3 to ENTER but once it’s charted it should be in for good.

I could see that system working tbh, a song would need to be in an artists Top 3 songs of the week to enter the chart, but if, in later weeks, it ends up dropping out of an artist's Top 3, it should still be allowed to chart along with the artist's other songs

I think we're fine as it is now, kinda like the appearing/disappearing thing and new songs having the chance to chart

one thing the occ should be more strict about is enforcing the 3-song rule, many get away with 4 or even 5 songs chartings like Guetta

just cos he has some songs as Derulo & Guetta but they're all charting cos he released his album and they're all 5 on it

I could see that system working tbh, a song would need to be in an artists Top 3 songs of the week to enter the chart, but if, in later weeks, it ends up dropping out of an artist's Top 3, it should still be allowed to chart along with the artist's other songs

I feel like that just makes it more messy because it can often be arbitrary what goes on and it won't really achieve anything close to 'all the relevant songs chart, the irrelevant ones don't' as there's plenty of exceptions on either side. If there MUST be limitations, then New Zealand probably has the best rule, where an artist can have up to 4 songs on the chart the week the album is out, but the next week they're allowed another 2 debuts if they're still high enough, and again on subsequent weeks.

 

(But I still think all songs should be included and can't be convinced otherwise).

one thing the occ should be more strict about is enforcing the 3-song rule, many get away with 4 or even 5 songs chartings like Guetta

just cos he has some songs as Derulo & Guetta but they're all charting cos he released his album and they're all 5 on it

 

That would penalise the other artist though so it would be tricky to maintain

but actually in cases like this week, people are listening to the album, so it should count for the album charts

has nothing to do with the singles chart

 

in my opinion, what they should do, if you stream the album, counts for the album charts

if you stream the single or from a playlist it counts for the single charts and not for the album chart