But how can anyone be born wise? How can a baby have wisdom? And why would a heavenly sent want to be born old and miss all the fun of being a kid and a teenager...

 

It's hard to gauge what it means really, you're talking about Feudal Japan here... :lol: , a completely different culture and time, it is possible that perhaps it has been mistranslated or perhaps not translated properly... I think we'd need to ask a Japanese historian or Academic what they really meant about Sun Tzu...

 

There wasn´t internet, TV and not even newspapers at that time, and most of the population didn´t even know how to read. The 60 years later "news" were actually based on previous stuff since they coincide in most of their content. The World War II was different, cause it directly affected millions of people, millions died, not just something watched by a few hundreads or thousands uneducated jews. We also don´t have enough proof of the existence of Buddha, Sun Tzu, Plato, and many other important names in human history. Back then it was not like today, when you just do a home made porn video and a reality show and you have your name registered in thousands of magazines and newspapers.

 

 

........so these illiterate people were given the task of spreading the 'good news'...lol.. by todays standards they were pig-thick , frankly these supersticious people had long been predicting the comming of 'the messiah' and when he came his impact was sooo minute that they didnt even recognise him!!! lol.

 

sorry, but i find it incredible that the future of human kind was given to this bunch... but it wasnt, it never happend!

 

my cynicism though is not aimed at christianity alone, but at all religions. i use christianity as its the story i was brought up with.

........so these illiterate people were given the task of spreading the 'good news'...lol.. by todays standards they were pig-thick , frankly these supersticious people had long been predicting the comming of 'the messiah' and when he came his impact was sooo minute that they didnt even recognise him!!! lol.

 

sorry, but i find it incredible that the future of human kind was given to this bunch... but it wasnt, it never happend!

 

my cynicism though is not aimed at christianity alone, but at all religions. i use christianity as its the story i was brought up with.

 

Why would the "task" be given only to studied, educated and rich people? Jews expected the messiah would be born in a royal family with all the money and (secular) power, and most of them would not acept someone who was born among animals for his family not having money to find a better place. I don´t think totally ignorant and supersticious people could have invented the sermons of Christ, so either they were not ignorant or they were just quoting what they heard from someone more intelligent then them.

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Why would the "task" be given only to studied, educated and rich people? Jews expected the messiah would be born in a royal family with all the money and (secular) power, and most of them would not acept someone who was born among animals for his family not having money to find a better place. I don´t think totally ignorant and supersticious people could have invented the sermons of Christ, so either they were not ignorant or they were just quoting what they heard from someone more intelligent then them.

 

 

oh come on!!!! word of mouth over several generations... just how accurate would these stories be?.. especially amongst uneducated supersticious peasants!

 

the teachings of christ cam also be found in much older cultures.. he didnt invent them, they were then just the latest version.

oh come on!!!! word of mouth over several generations... just how accurate would these stories be?.. especially amongst uneducated supersticious peasants!

 

the teachings of christ cam also be found in much older cultures.. he didnt invent them, they were then just the latest version.

 

Well, if it was rich and educated people then everyone would say it was just something ivented by the rich to dominate the poor. Either way there would always be a reason to complain. I don´t trust rich and educated people either.

Well, if it was rich and educated people then everyone would say it was just something ivented by the rich to dominate the poor. Either way there would always be a reason to complain. I don´t trust rich and educated people either.

 

 

.... thats even dafter! YOU are educated!

.... thats even dafter! YOU are educated!

 

Not everyone who's educated is rich though mate.... For example, me.... :lol: I think he's really talking about the ruling elites...

 

I think we're getting a little side-tracked here, the early Christians were poor, uneductated and worshipped their god in a totally different way to the 'establised' Churches which were, and still are, run and controlled by the elites, the educated, the wealthy/landowners who are lording it over the masses and just in it for themselves... The Catholic church bears scant similarity to the way early Christians followed their beliefs and teachings...

.... thats even dafter! YOU are educated!

 

And I cannot trust someone who is different then me? Certainly, Adolf Hitler was educated in some way, and that makes him more trustable then an ignorant citizen?

And I cannot trust someone who is different then me? Certainly, Adolf Hitler was educated in some way, and that makes him more trustable then an ignorant citizen?

 

 

but if those people WERE ignorant, then by definition they didnt know wft they were on about!

 

looky here dude, if you or anyone chooses to believe these dubious scripts as 'the thruth' then thats just fine, but please get some perspective on how they came into being, and why many of us treat them as bollox!

And I cannot trust someone who is different then me? Certainly, Adolf Hitler was educated in some way, and that makes him more trustable then an ignorant citizen?

 

Adolph Hitler may have been educated, but he had one very big drawback that kinda negated whatever education he had - namely, he was a madman, a paranoid schizophrenic with delusions of grandeur.... All the education in the world cant make up for being a bloody loony....