December 27, 200618 yr Cole is not a natural LM either though, when he was at West Ham he was a CM or playing just behind the front 2 but then Mourinho saw he could do it on the left but his preferred position is AMC, Lennon prefers the right but were there a choice of Lennon on the left or Downing I would choose Lennon every time and put SWP on the right ^_^ True. :lol: I dunno whether SWP would be good enough for the right midfield slot though. I just think he's all a bit too lightweight and when he comes up against some of the top sides with top class left backs he may get a bit outclassed, but I think he should be given a chance at least.
December 27, 200618 yr True. :lol: I dunno whether SWP would be good enough for the right midfield slot though. I just think he's all a bit too lightweight and when he comes up against some of the top sides with top class left backs he may get a bit outclassed, but I think he should be given a chance at least. I really rate SWP tbh ^_^ him and Lennon bombing down the wings would be awesome to watch ^_^ would be too risky against Brazil and Germany etc lol but I think we would get a lot of chances created :) Gerrard and Jenas etc are just not effective on the right, drop Lampard and give Gerrard the sort of role he enjoys at Liverpool
December 27, 200618 yr I really rate SWP tbh ^_^ him and Lennon bombing down the wings would be awesome to watch ^_^ would be too risky against Brazil and Germany etc lol but I think we would get a lot of chances created :) Gerrard and Jenas etc are just not effective on the right, drop Lampard and give Gerrard the sort of role he enjoys at Liverpool Yeah they could actually work well down the wings together but as you say it might be a bit too risky against teams like Italy, Brazil, Germany, Argentina etc etc. Lampard needs to be dropped straight away and the sooner the better. The problem with Gerrard and Lampard playing together is both of them want to attack, but only one can do that and Sven and McLaren both seem to favour Lampard because Gerrard is the better out the two defensivley and because Gerrard wants to attack he doesn't play how he is suppose to were when Hargreaves plays that role he suits it very well.
December 27, 200618 yr Yeah I really don't know why Lampard is in that team tbh he should have been dropped long ago, I think that Gerrard is the best player in the country though and the England team should be built around his strengths
December 27, 200618 yr Yeah I really don't know why Lampard is in that team tbh he should have been dropped long ago, I think that Gerrard is the best player in the country though and the England team should be built around his strengths Well the Liverpool side is mainly built around Gerrard because he is the best player that Liverpool have and which is why he was originaly played on the right side of midfield so that Rafa could play Gerrard, Sissoko and Alonso all at the same time. For England though I don't think the team should be built to Gerrards strenghts because I think it would over shadow some of the other players. The problem with England is just that knowbody knows who plays best in what position or what formation is the best to play and for some reason some England payers neber seen to reach the potential they have shown at club level.
December 28, 200618 yr Gerrard is a good player, but you can't create a team around him. He's getting on, and might be out for key matches in the future, also there has been games in the last world cup where he should of been taken off as he was tired out, that will be a bigger issue in the future. I think to much is made of Rooney, I think he's an above average player but given an overrated golden image as he plays average football with sparks of brillance and his temperment unsettles the team as a whole. I'd like to see him dropped permenantly from the England line-up, I doubt that until we do the team will gel. Once that happens he could be brought back(if necessary), but best in the mean time to sort out the rest of the team, especially many of the newer players. There is a lot of work to be done.
December 28, 200618 yr Gerrard is a good player, but you can't create a team around him. He's getting on, and might be out for key matches in the future, also there has been games in the last world cup where he should of been taken off as he was tired out, that will be a bigger issue in the future. I think to much is made of Rooney, I think he's an above average player but given an overrated golden image as he plays average football with sparks of brillance and his temperment unsettles the team as a whole. I'd like to see him dropped permenantly from the England line-up, I doubt that until we do the team will gel. Once that happens he could be brought back(if necessary), but best in the mean time to sort out the rest of the team, especially many of the newer players. There is a lot of work to be done. Gerrard is not that old :unsure: 27/28 ? he probably has a good 6 years or more left at international level. I agree with you about Rooney, he is a luxury player and just does not score enough for England to be in the team, I would keep him on the bench My team would be something like this 1. Robinson 2. Neville G 3. Cole 4. Terry 5. King 6. Carrick 7. Gerrard 8. J Cole 9. Crouch 10. Defoe 11. Lennon Subs Foster Ferdinand Woodgate Hargreaves SWP Lampard Rooney Johnson
December 28, 200618 yr Ur mad to drop Rooney for Defoe. Rooney is the best player in europe FACT :blink: Look how well Man U r doing, mainly cos of Rooney :dance:
December 28, 200618 yr Ur mad to drop Rooney for Defoe. Rooney is the best player in europe FACT :blink: Look how well Man U r doing, mainly cos of Rooney :dance: He has scored like 1 goal in 2 years for England or something, he is a great club player but just can't score at international level
December 28, 200618 yr Gerrard is a good player, but you can't create a team around him. He's getting on, and might be out for key matches in the future, also there has been games in the last world cup where he should of been taken off as he was tired out, that will be a bigger issue in the future. I think to much is made of Rooney, I think he's an above average player but given an overrated golden image as he plays average football with sparks of brillance and his temperment unsettles the team as a whole. I'd like to see him dropped permenantly from the England line-up, I doubt that until we do the team will gel. Once that happens he could be brought back(if necessary), but best in the mean time to sort out the rest of the team, especially many of the newer players. There is a lot of work to be done. Are you effin MAD? :blink: England are a TOTALLY different team when Rooney plays :huh: same with Man Utd and especially this season he's been bloody brilliant (second only to Drogba) Craig, Rooney has never just been about his goals, it's his presence and how he can set up chances as well. Imo Defoe and Rooney would be our best partnership as Defoe has pace to run on from Rooney's chances and that was why Crouch was his partner as well as Crouch has good technique on the ground and so Rooney is usually behind someone so that person could put the ball in the net. Right now I'd say possibly something like this: Robinson G. Neville A. Cole (may not be playing THAT well for Chelsea right now but for England he's one the essential players) Ferdinand Terry (or King right now) J. Cole (may not be a natural LM but he's the best in that position for England but possibly Barry should be tried out like Mark said) Hargreaves (even as a Man U fan I don't think Carrick suits this role and if we want cover then maybe Barton should be given a chance) Gerrard (No question) Beckham (He may lack pace and he may not be able to get into the Real team right now but he's the best crosser of the ball and the understanding he has with G. Neville is like no other) Rooney (At his best he can make the difference and if he can take his current form to England then he can show that, just like when he came on and made that pass to Scholes which resulted in us taking the lead against Villa the other day) Defoe (Right now he's among the best strikers in the premiership and would put him ahead of Crouch at the moment) Subs: James - Deserves a recall for his form right now, or possibly Kirkland King/Woodgate Young Carrick/Barton Lampard Lennon Crouch/Johnson
December 28, 200618 yr Rooney and Defoe would not work though, Defoe and Rooney are both very short and who would be there to head the crosses of Joe Cole and Beckham in your team Nicky as that would be where the threats are likely to come from, if you play the ball through the centre and rely on Rooney then that will isolate the widemen likewise using the widemen would isolate Rooney
December 28, 200618 yr Rooney and Defoe would not work though, Defoe and Rooney are both very short and who would be there to head the crosses of Joe Cole and Beckham in your team Nicky as that would be where the threats are likely to come from, if you play the ball through the centre and rely on Rooney then that will isolate the widemen likewise using the widemen would isolate Rooney Same could be said for Owen and Rooney though who are England's best partnership and that has been shown over the past few years. The problem with Rooney is that he's not a striker for England because he plays behind Crouch, Owen etc etc and he does all the gritty work for the other striker. Until England get Owen back England are gonna struggle for options up front because McLaren will obviously play Rooney if he's fit but as shown he cannot work properly with Crouch or Defoe and probably Bent and Johnson.
December 28, 200618 yr Same could be said for Owen and Rooney though who are England's best partnership and that has been shown over the past few years. The problem with Rooney is that he's not a striker for England because he plays behind Crouch, Owen etc etc and he does all the gritty work for the other striker. Until England get Owen back England are gonna struggle for options up front because McLaren will obviously play Rooney if he's fit but as shown he cannot work properly with Crouch or Defoe and probably Bent and Johnson. The big man / little man combo still works best I think, Crouch has been responsible for most of England's goals recently so should not be dropped Shearer (big man) and Beardsley (little man) was a great combination for England for instance I think Crouch has to stay in the team so need to find a little man that can play alongside him, if Rooney is going to play for England then he should be converted into an attacking midfield role or a 4-3-3 or 4-3-1-2 combination as he just does not score enough goals to justify a strikers role
December 28, 200618 yr The big man / little man combo still works best I think, Crouch has been responsible for most of England's goals recently so should not be dropped Shearer (big man) and Beardsley (little man) was a great combination for England for instance I think Crouch has to stay in the team so need to find a little man that can play alongside him, if Rooney is going to play for England then he should be converted into an attacking midfield role or a 4-3-3 or 4-3-1-2 combination as he just does not score enough goals to justify a strikers role Well over 2006 Crouch has shown just what an asset he is to England and I don't think he deserves to be dropped as he's scored a lot of goals for England this year and the big man / little man combo does work very well for England. I think England should convert to a 4-3-3 formation or at least try it because I think it would work very well with Rooney, Crouch and Defoe at the moment.
December 28, 200618 yr Gerrard is not that old :unsure: 27/28 ? he probably has a good 6 years or more left at international level. Gerrard 26 I believe. His position within the team means he has to run at high speed for much of the game when playing for England, something he can't manage in hot tempertures for over 60 minutes as you could observe in the previous world cup. If he can't do it at 26 then I doubt he can do it at 30, leaving quite a considerable hole for the rest of the midfield to pick up. Are you effin MAD? :blink: England are a TOTALLY different team when Rooney plays :huh: Correct, a totally different team that is the problem, as with him there they don't play as a team.
December 28, 200618 yr Tbf to Rooney he's NOT a goalscorer. He's not supposed to be. He's a supporting striker and therefore that's why we need an out and out goalscorer (e.g. Johnson, Defore, etc.) as his strike partner. Crouch has possibly one of the worst finishing touches in England so, whether he is scoring freely or not, the Rooney-Crouch partnership is never gonna be big on goals. Same for heading, people state Crouch is excellent in the air but he's not. For his size he should net far more than he does. He's average in the air at best. If I was manager my starting eleven would be: -Robinson -G. Neville -Terry -Ferdinand -A. Cole -Nolan -Beckham -Barry -Gerrard -Rooney -Johnson Subs: Foster Baines King Lampard/Carrick Lennon Defoe Crouch
December 28, 200618 yr Tbf to Rooney he's NOT a goalscorer. He's not supposed to be. He's a supporting striker and therefore that's why we need an out and out goalscorer (e.g. Johnson, Defore, etc.) as his strike partner. Crouch has possibly one of the worst finishing touches in England so, whether he is scoring freely or not, the Rooney-Crouch partnership is never gonna be big on goals. Same for heading, people state Crouch is excellent in the air but he's not. For his size he should net far more than he does. He's average in the air at best. If I was manager my starting eleven would be: -Robinson -G. Neville -Terry -Ferdinand -A. Cole -Nolan -Beckham -Barry -Gerrard -Rooney -Johnson Subs: Foster Baines King Lampard/Carrick Lennon Defoe Crouch But Johnson would have to have a similar scoring record as Crouch to justify inclusion ahead of him and regardless of what anyone thinks of Crouch he gets goals for England
December 28, 200618 yr The thing is with Crouch is that he can head a ball very well its just he can't get any power on the balls becasue he's so tall, so he has no need to jump, so he can hardly get any power on the ball. If everyone was fit this is how i'd have England line up: - Robinson - Cole - Terry - Ferdinand - Neville - J.Cole - Gerrard - Hargreaves - Lennon - Rooney - Owen - Foster - Richards - Baines - Reo-Coker - Lampard - Crouch - Bent At the moment though Owen isn't avaliable and the Crouch/Rooney combination doesn't work at all and it just gets Rooney very furstrated so i'd play Defoe in place of Owen for the moment.
December 28, 200618 yr Its still insane dropping a guy that averages a goal a game for England though just so that a guy who averages a goal a year for England can be accomodated
December 28, 200618 yr Its still insane dropping a guy that averages a goal a game for England though just so that a guy who averages a goal a year for England can be accomodated Rooney is a very good player though. He doesn't score lots of goals but thats because he isn't a goal scorer like Owen or Defoe. Instead he creates all the chances and links the midfield up to the main striker. Both Rooney and Crouch are not out and out goal scorers. Rooney is a great player and in the 2004 Euros he was easily one of the best players on show in 2004. He didn't perfom at all in this world cup though, because he was rushed back from injury and had heaps of pressure on him from the media saying he was England's saviour.
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