The Greens really had a big opportunity to capture that whole Corbyn wing of Labour but they have had a lot of false equivalent statements on Gaza and just don't seem interested in being anything more than a small 1-3 seat party who don't do much. Their plans are reliant on wishful thinking so inevitably you make all these pledges to be funded by ‘taxing the rich’ who usually find a way to avoid most of it so instead they have to tax regular people for the ‘greater good’ and it all becomes messy quickly. Theyve been useless in fact. I would like a party that was primarily heavy on the environment and green type issues without the kind of people who always represent the greens. They have no political savviness or ambition to get anywhere or branch out. Its very stagnant. They had a chance to be bold on Gaza which was a slam dunk for the people attracted to them anyway and still messed it up somehow.

 

If you look at it in right and left terms. Brexit party/UKIP/Reform they've got somewhere, they have ambition, it mostly can fail but they seem like they want power or truly want to affect things even if it gets them relegated, the Greens just seem happy to be mid table in the premier league.

Labour definitely struggled, it might have been harder because it was Chester and clearly some Welsh specific issues, but some really woolly answers and not sure they did very well to capture any swing voters. I thought it was interesting the Brexit question came up again, although I totally get why Labour are playing that down during this election cycle, it's the right political play. As I said about above, the Greens were just talking about nothing, all very flimsy and then when challenged there were some dreadful answers. Also agree that Plaid Cymru came off best!

 

It made me laugh when the Green lady said something like "can you let me finish?" and then a few long seconds of silence. :lol: Her debating skills definitely need brushing up.

There's evidence floating about that Sunak was not even going to attend Normandy in the first place! Such a bad look, and an easy open goal for Labour/Reform here. I don't know who is advising Sunak, but this is just another example of showing how out of touch he is.

 

Sunak getting loads of flack for this now from all quarters - some are even saying it could be a resignation matter. Even though I'm happy that's destroying the Tories chance of government even more, I am slightly uncomfortable about this over promoting Patriotic/War issues more than every other issue going. Yes it was a disrespectful, ceremonial gaffe but it does create a trap for the incoming Labour government in the future to appear ultra "patriotic" at all times. Still short term gain though.

 

I’m here for more Sunak gaffes tbh. :lol:

Sunak getting loads of flack for this now from all quarters - some are even saying it could be a resignation matter. Even though I'm happy that's destroying the Tories chance of government even more, I am slightly uncomfortable about this over promoting Patriotic/War issues more than every other issue going. Yes it was a disrespectful, ceremonial gaffe but it does create a trap for the incoming Labour government in the future to appear ultra "patriotic" at all times. Still short term gain though.

 

The Tory journos had measuring tape out to check the length of Corbyn's tie and how deeply he bowed at memorial day, so...

 

To protect Blojo at election time, as the ENTIRE state was against Corbyn to protect the status quo, BBTory replaced the footage of Blojo's gaffe at the cenotaph. He placed the wreath the wrong way, so BBTory used footage from the year before. It's always been highly political.

It's going to be interested to see the polls that have been taken today and tomorrow when they come out - i.e the ones that factor in D-Day. The Conservatives could well be behind Reform, at that point seat distribution at the election is anybody's guess.

The one where Brexshit country destroyer piggy Cam got in, the Lib Drms were supposedly ahrsd of Tories at one point. Just endrd up getting higher sests thsn normal, but nothing unudually high

In 2010 Clegg's Liberal Democrats actually lost seats (although gained votes) from Charles Kennedy's high watermark in 2005 (where the Iraq war was a bit of a factor).

So just over an hour to go until nominations and my seat has 4 candidates known - Labour, Lib Dem, Green and minor party Alliance for Freedom and Democracy.

 

No known candidates for WBGP, Reform, Conservative yet. Will be interesting to see when the candidate list comes out if there's any paper candidates for those parties.

Sunak getting loads of flack for this now from all quarters - some are even saying it could be a resignation matter. Even though I'm happy that's destroying the Tories chance of government even more, I am slightly uncomfortable about this over promoting Patriotic/War issues more than every other issue going. Yes it was a disrespectful, ceremonial gaffe but it does create a trap for the incoming Labour government in the future to appear ultra "patriotic" at all times. Still short term gain though.

 

Nationalism is a key piece of any leader (and not the far-right version). This is super basic stuff - we're remembering 80 years ago, one of the most momentous occasions where the Allied forces came together to help liberate France, where millions of people lost their lives. You've got photo opportunities with other Allies and the world's media is covering it.. this is just a real basic gaffe. Sounds like Sunak wasn't even interested - so this whole "put your country first piece" becomes ridiculous, as the own Conservative leader can't even be bothered to do that!

It's possibly the biggest unforced error so far. Pretty much every Conservative/Reform-oriented voter will disapprove of this and it's been near total condemnation. There's no precedent for resigning during a general election campaign but if it were outside of that it'd be on the cards.

 

Sunak is really starting to exhibit all of the worst qualities of recent PMs all put together. At least Truss, TRUSS, would have gone and at least done her best to look solemn and statesmanlike (not that she can but I am certain she wouldn't have screwed this particular thing up).

 

The magic money tree dismissal is beginning to irk me - the only way to rescue our public services is with more borrowing - borrowing invested properly will grow the economy. The state budget needs to be looked at more likely a business than a household one. The Tories forcing Labour so far to the right they now accept this household budget/balance the books narrative since 2010 is the reason this country is in such a dire state. If you invest in the economy with borrowed money you promote growth and can then raise more money in taxes - only the Greens and other socialist parties seem willing to say this. We need infrastructure projects that will create jobs as well as investment in public services. If you need to borrow money you need to borrow money, cutting more and more until there's nothing as the two main parties have agreed to do is not the answer.

 

Quite. What's the end goal of low growth, careful careful spending? More tortured pain for years and years with ordinary people feeling the pinch all that time and sure you won't spook the markets initially (and if your plans were solid they'd react well!) but eventually you're downgrading yourself. Other countries don't do this, they have long-term prospects to grow jobs and the size of the economy to match its needs.

 

There needs to be investment - now some parts of the Labour policies so far are somewhat encouraging in that they speak of baby steps in the right direction - new towns, rail nationalisation, energy provision - but they're being hamstrung by any attempt at looking like you're spending money being ruthlessly questioned as if it's a waste of money. Not all policies are equal and so don't need to undergo the same 'costing' interregations. The Truss crash was just as much about the plans not bringing in income as it was spending money, in fact probably more so.

Chances of Sunak doing a Truss in a year's time and complaining about the establishment being against him or something?

 

I'm glad that there's less than a month left...

Sunak getting loads of flack for this now from all quarters - some are even saying it could be a resignation matter. Even though I'm happy that's destroying the Tories chance of government even more, I am slightly uncomfortable about this over promoting Patriotic/War issues more than every other issue going. Yes it was a disrespectful, ceremonial gaffe but it does create a trap for the incoming Labour government in the future to appear ultra "patriotic" at all times. Still short term gain though.

 

Funny this sentiment because I seen a tweet of a 90 yr old lifelong Tory saying she wont vote Tory after this and all the quote tweets were Labour or similar people stating “this was the final straw? Really?” or “it wasn't hating immigrants or not giving free meals to school kids” its just like duh those people vote for them FOR that stuff. They don't agree with you on those issues.

 

This issue is one that hits primarily Tory voters, its not even a gaffe its a catastrophic insight into a persons pysche. This guy just showed he doesn't have the same values as his core voter base. This will be it. The Tories will skip to 15% or less. He may even announce he will 100% step down after the election win or lose in a desperate attempt to keep some voters. This stuff is much more significant than other issues as you can just change your stance on most issues you can't undo what he just did. He has shown he is not one of them and they won't trust him or his judgment ever again.

So just over an hour to go until nominations and my seat has 4 candidates known - Labour, Lib Dem, Green and minor party Alliance for Freedom and Democracy.

 

No known candidates for WBGP, Reform, Conservative yet. Will be interesting to see when the candidate list comes out if there's any paper candidates for those parties.

 

Where do you get this up to date information about who is standing in your seat? Interested to know.

Where do you get this up to date information about who is standing in your seat? Interested to know.

 

It's not up to the minute but it's update regularly on https://whocanivotefor.co.uk/

 

The big broadcasters will have full lists out at some point tonight I think. But looks like the Tories may not stand in all constituencies.

 

 

On an unrelated note - the Tories have lost the Torygraph and going by the comments they're going to Reform. Worrying times.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/06/07...d-day-veterans/

Sunak getting loads of flack for this now from all quarters - some are even saying it could be a resignation matter. Even though I'm happy that's destroying the Tories chance of government even more, I am slightly uncomfortable about this over promoting Patriotic/War issues more than every other issue going. Yes it was a disrespectful, ceremonial gaffe but it does create a trap for the incoming Labour government in the future to appear ultra "patriotic" at all times. Still short term gain though.

 

To add on to what others have said about nationalism, it's entirely possible and in fact desirable to promote nationalism that isn't nationalism in the way we think of it with flag-ragging, making the country a better place because you want it to be so, which can easily jive with the nationalist crowd. It's not really hard to swing them by appearing respectful to things they care about without bringing other nations or peoples down or promoting a small inwards-looking Britain.

 

Where do you get this up to date information about who is standing in your seat? Interested to know.

 

@TomorrowsMPs has a good running commentary, or yes check www.whocanivotefor.co.uk.

That sad little slimy (and now slippery) weasel would never rrsign. Ever. Like Blojo, he thinks he was born to rule.

Funny this sentiment because I seen a tweet of a 90 yr old lifelong Tory saying she wont vote Tory after this and all the quote tweets were Labour or similar people stating “this was the final straw? Really?” or “it wasn't hating immigrants or not giving free meals to school kids” its just like duh those people vote for them FOR that stuff. They don't agree with you on those issues.

 

This issue is one that hits primarily Tory voters, its not even a gaffe its a catastrophic insight into a persons pysche. This guy just showed he doesn't have the same values as his core voter base. This will be it. The Tories will skip to 15% or less. He may even announce he will 100% step down after the election win or lose in a desperate attempt to keep some voters. This stuff is much more significant than other issues as you can just change your stance on most issues you can't undo what he just did. He has shown he is not one of them and they won't trust him or his judgment ever again.

 

Yup, THIS being the final straw, not chronic mismanagament, or purposefully destroying the nhs in order to make it more expensive than the usa's terrible system, so that private industry can run in and "fix it", after already selling off the most profitable parts of it.

That sad little slimy (and now slippery) weasel would never rrsign. Ever. Like Blojo, he thinks he was born to rule.

He's not as bad. I doubt Sunak will say something like "I'm going to remain in power for 20 years" and he doesn't have the cult following. The kind who constantly said of BJ "he's just doing his best" during the pandemic.

 

I say that, if - sorry, when - he's ousted, he may well go off the deep end.

Uff did blojo say that?! Tinpot wannabe