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sorry but this bloody well annoys me... and i have voiced this before

 

just because theres a large jewish presence in the media and politics they have now got this recognition... like everyone has now to remember the holocaust... sympathy for the jews..

 

i find the whole thing hypocritical to the extreme, and typifies any insular group.

 

the jews werent the only group to be killed... what about the gypsies? homosexuals? eastern europeans?... the holocaust WASNT a jewish only tragedy, it was a human tragedy.

 

'least we forget' and 'never again'... SO WHERE WAS THE JEWISH CONDEMNATION OF ALL THE OTHER ATTROCITIES SINCE? ...... rwanda, bosnia, cambodia, even iraq...

 

hypocrisy... everyone feel sorry for the jews, fair enough, but why didnt the jewish nation keep noticably quiet as other ethnic groups were being killed?.. oh hold on, because they arnt of the faith so they dont count!!! hypocrisy in the extreme and it makes me sick.

 

ALL mass killings of ANY ethnic group are to be abhored whatever their race or creed.

 

sympathy and remembrance goes out to ALL who have suffered, although i must admit to finding it hard to have much sympathy for the jews because of their attitude to other groups.

 

 

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Agreed, EVERYONE who was persecuted during this period should be remembered, not just the Jews -_-. Also from what I have seen, Jews are pretty snappy and vicious people :(.
Until recently Jews were not recognised on Rememberance Day, it is only recently that a wreath has been laid at the Cenotaph for the jewish dead during the war so I don't understand why Jews can't have their own rememberance day too

^Because the jews only remember other jews that died, that'd be like us just remembering english people etc

We should all remember everyone.

 

I am not disagreeing and I can even see where Mushy is coming from, Rememberance Day should be a commemoration of everyone who has died in any war, WW1, WW2, Falklands, Desert Storm, Iraq or whatever of ANY religion, a global day of rememberance for the dead of all wars

^It's just that you said you don't see why jews shouldn't have their own rememberance.

 

I was being a bit over defensive of my origin, its a kinda natural instinct of mine like you saw in the religion thread when your brother made those comments etc which I perceived as attacking jews, when the red mist blows over and the cold light of day sets in I am much more balanced in my opinion

sorry but this bloody well annoys me... and i have voiced this before

 

just because theres a large jewish presence in the media and politics they have now got this recognition... like everyone has now to remember the holocaust... sympathy for the jews..

 

i find the whole thing hypocritical to the extreme, and typifies any insular group.

 

the jews werent the only group to be killed... what about the gypsies? homosexuals? eastern europeans?... the holocaust WASNT a jewish only tragedy, it was a human tragedy.

 

'least we forget' and 'never again'... SO WHERE WAS THE JEWISH CONDEMNATION OF ALL THE OTHER ATTROCITIES SINCE? ...... rwanda, bosnia, cambodia, even iraq...

 

hypocrisy... everyone feel sorry for the jews, fair enough, but why didnt the jewish nation keep noticably quiet as other ethnic groups were being killed?.. oh hold on, because they arnt of the faith so they dont count!!! hypocrisy in the extreme and it makes me sick.

 

ALL mass killings of ANY ethnic group are to be abhored whatever their race or creed.

 

sympathy and remembrance goes out to ALL who have suffered, although i must admit to finding it hard to have much sympathy for the jews because of their attitude to other groups.

 

100% in agreement.. Where is the "Remembrance Days" for Rwanda, Bosnia, Cambodia, Vietnam, etc...? And yes, I have yet to see the Jews or the Israelis lay any wreaths for ANY of these people... And yet, we're all supposed to boo hoo hoo over the Holocaust every year... Well, sorry to sound harsh, but there are other things going on in the here and now that I'm a lot more concerned about, such as Iraq, such as the veiled US threats against Iran, Syria, Venezuela and god knows who else if they happen p***-off the bloody "New World Order"; such as the continuous assaults on our human rights an civil liberties under the dubious caveat of "National Security".... You wanna talk about the new breed of Fascism dressed up as "Democracy" coming out of Washington and Westminster a wee bit more than the old....

 

 

 

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.... lets not forget that given half a chance israel would wipe palestine off the map!!!! bloody hypocrits!

 

its the insular nature of the jewish people that bugs me... its like we should share in their grief, but they couldnt give a sh1t about anyone else... double standards.

.... lets not forget that given half a chance israel would wipe palestine off the map!!!! bloody hypocrits!

 

its the insular nature of the jewish people that bugs me... its like we should share in their grief, but they couldnt give a sh1t about anyone else... double standards.

 

And Iran, Syria, Lebanon and Palestine don't want Israel wiped off the map ?? :wacko:

 

Palestinian schools indoctrinate kids into believing that all Jews are pigs and call for the destruction of Israel, Syria has chemical weapons positioned on the Golan Heights just waiting for the order to fire, Iran are trying to develop nuclear weapons to blow up Israel, Palestine (not a nation but a territory) is committed to blowing up as many Israeli civilians as possible, the idea that the whole Israeli thing is a 1 way street is absolutely absurd not even ElPresRocket would be so dumb as to think that

 

Palestine is a terrorist principality, they voted in the terrorist group Hamas in by a massive majority in elections kicking out the moderate peaceful Mahmoud Abbas, previously Palestine was headed by Yasser Arafat one of the most notorious terrorists of the 1970's whose Black September movement was responsible for the murder of the Iraeli athletes, Entebbe, numerous bombings and hijackings and so on, Palestine does not deserve to exist but Ariel Sharon and the UN bent over backwards to accomodate a terrorist state.

 

Israel is not 100% innocent but 99% of the time it is acting in self defence with its 4 immediate neighbours committed to its destruction, of course they are defensive and insular they merely want to stay alive

Palestinian schools indoctrinate kids into believing that all Jews are pigs and call for the destruction of Israel, Iran are trying to develop nuclear weapons to blow up Israel

Evidense for this?

 

We don't even know if the Iranian's are really trying to develop a nuke.

 

And i recently saw a documentary about 2 kids, 1 Israeli and one Palestinian and yes there were differences in what was being said in the classrooms but not to the extremes you are saying.

Evidense for this?

 

We don't even know if the Iranian's are really trying to develop a nuke.

 

And i recently saw a documentary about 2 kids, 1 Israeli and one Palestinian and yes there were differences in what was being said in the classrooms but not to the extremes you are saying.

 

Admittedly not the strongest of sources and could be Zionist propaganda but these are a couple of links I used during a similar debate on Pop Trash

 

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsourc...ce/patext1.html

 

http://christianactionforisrael.org/isrepo...lture_hate.html

 

In terms of Iran the spiritual leader of Iran called for the destruction of Israel a while back, haven't got time to search for link now as off for family lunch shortly but I remember it making the national newspapers

What does nuclear bombs have to do with anything anyway? When the matter is rememberance day.

 

Yeah true but I had to counter Mushy's claim with a reply, I will keep things "on topic" now :)

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And Iran, Syria, Lebanon and Palestine don't want Israel wiped off the map ?? :wacko:

 

Palestinian schools indoctrinate kids into believing that all Jews are pigs and call for the destruction of Israel, Syria has chemical weapons positioned on the Golan Heights just waiting for the order to fire, Iran are trying to develop nuclear weapons to blow up Israel, Palestine (not a nation but a territory) is committed to blowing up as many Israeli civilians as possible, the idea that the whole Israeli thing is a 1 way street is absolutely absurd not even ElPresRocket would be so dumb as to think that

 

Palestine is a terrorist principality, they voted in the terrorist group Hamas in by a massive majority in elections kicking out the moderate peaceful Mahmoud Abbas, previously Palestine was headed by Yasser Arafat one of the most notorious terrorists of the 1970's whose Black September movement was responsible for the murder of the Iraeli athletes, Entebbe, numerous bombings and hijackings and so on, Palestine does not deserve to exist but Ariel Sharon and the UN bent over backwards to accomodate a terrorist state.

 

Israel is not 100% innocent but 99% of the time it is acting in self defence with its 4 immediate neighbours committed to its destruction, of course they are defensive and insular they merely want to stay alive

 

but syria, lebanon and palestine arnt imposing their remembrance day on us and arent saying 'least we forget', and more importantly 'never again'... israel would willingly wipe them off the face of the earth killing millions... and they expect sympathy from us?...

 

israel has nuclear capabilities, so why shouldnt its neighbours effect a deterant?..

 

why is palestine a terrorist principality?... didnt palestine exist before israel?... oh hold on, (patchy knowlege here) didnt the jews oust the palestinians because 'gods chosen people' were claiming land that 'god' wanted them to have?... as i see it anr the palestinians merely fighting for what IS theres?..

 

after 2000 years of being hated, maybe the jews ought to ask themselves why?...lol

but syria, lebanon and palestine arnt imposing their remembrance day on us and arent saying 'least we forget', and more importantly 'never again'... israel would willingly wipe them off the face of the earth killing millions... and they expect sympathy from us?...

 

israel has nuclear capabilities, so why shouldnt its neighbours effect a deterant?..

 

why is palestine a terrorist principality?... didnt palestine exist before israel?... oh hold on, (patchy knowlege here) didnt the jews oust the palestinians because 'gods chosen people' were claiming land that 'god' wanted them to have?... as i see it anr the palestinians merely fighting for what IS theres?..

 

after 2000 years of being hated, maybe the jews ought to ask themselves why?...lol

 

It's typical really Rob, the oppressors ALWAYS call the people they oppress terrorists when, god forbid, they have the sheer GALL to actually object to having their land stolen, their human rights trampled on, their very dignity robbed from them.... <_< I'm sure if there were tabloids in the 12th Century in the times of times of Edward Longshanks we'd be hearing about "terrorists" such as William Wallace or Robert the Bruce, or the Americas of the late 1700s when there would be headlines screaming about "terrorists" such as George Washington or Paul Revere...

 

The Israelis are the WORST hypocrites out there as far as I'm concerned..... As for The Iranian PM going on about wanting Israel destroyed, well, that's what's known as 'empty rhetoric'.... Just to keep the 'great unwashed masses' in Tehran happy, so that they dont actually notice what a bunch of corrupt fukkin' scumbags they actually do have running their country; it's pretty much the same thing as our Politicians and Media do when they bang on about 'terrorists' being everywhere, keeping us scared and under control to better achieve the erosion of our civil liberties, so we DON'T take to the streets and hang the b/astards on the nearest fukkin' lamp-post as we should do for what they've done to our country and the Middle East... <_<

 

Iranian Politicians, British Politicians..? Essentially, there is no difference...

 

 

israel has nuclear capabilities, so why shouldnt its neighbours effect a deterant?..

 

 

Exactly dude.. Something I've been arguing for from the start... If we must have nuclear weapons in the world, then as far as I'm concerned every country on the planet should be given their own nuke.... If it's the 'deterrent' our Politicians say it is, then surely every country having a nuclear weapon would actually wipe out war altogether, n'est pas...? Unless of course, the "Deterrent Theory" as put across by our Politicians (who would surely NEVER lie to us...) is a totally bogus pile of c**p.......

Going back to what was being discussed at the begining of the topic, I really doubt that Israel represents jews worldwide, in fact most of Israel inhabitants are even actually jews, and there are more jews living in USA then in Israel. To blame the jews for the political position of this state is a wrong generalization, and yes it IS racism.

 

I also don´t agree with the remembrance day being used just to talk about jews... Jews were a minority among the ones killed by the nazis. But well, there are many rich and influent jews everywhere, and even if they end up on misery they quickly rise again and become rich and powerful again like a fenix.

 

During the entire 20th century there were wars and people dying all over the world, we should not use a date for feeling sympathy for a certain ethnical group but just to remember how miserable our human race is.

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