February 6, 200718 yr It is this generation that has turned out bad though so given they were not born when Maggie left office means the morals they get would have come from their parents but I don't understand how being greedy and materialistic has to do with under age shagging, binge drinking, violence and drug taking which is an epedemic among this current generation The young people on this board appear to be decent people but I would say they are very much the minority in society among teenagers gawd craig.... have you not lived?... these kids are the products of their parents, the very generation of 'yuppies' designer suits, etc, 'thatchers children'. with parents with morals like that is it any wonder that kids today are as they are?... just look at thatchers young people now... fake tans, radioactively white teeth, wags, 4x4's, obsession with looks-cosmetic surgery, with parents as shallow and materialistic as them (in debt up to their bollox too to pay for their acceses, even though they are poor), is it any wonder that this generation are so morally bereft ?....
February 6, 200718 yr gawd craig.... have you not lived?... these kids are the products of their parents, the very generation of 'yuppies' designer suits, etc, 'thatchers children'. with parents with morals like that is it any wonder that kids today are as they are?... just look at thatchers young people now... fake tans, radioactively white teeth, wags, 4x4's, obsession with looks-cosmetic surgery, with parents as shallow and materialistic as them (in debt up to their bollox too to pay for their acceses, even though they are poor), is it any wonder that this generation are so morally bereft ?.... That's just looking at excuses though mate, I did pretty well out of the Thatcher era (privatisations etc etc) I was also a professional parasite hopping from bank to bank in the hope of hitting a windfall when they went private, I got lucky with a few of them, but just because I thought that greed is ok does not mean I would be a bad parent if I had kids, I don't want kids but I sure as damn would not let them get up to the kind of things in this thread, I would bring them up properly and I AM one of Thatcher's Children and have strong moral and family values so I think that the parents in these instances are naturally bad parents as opposed to anything else, no offence mate but blaming Maggie for this is like blaming video games for serial killers
February 6, 200718 yr I'm sorry, but rob is absolutely correct actually, Thatcherism began the totally vapid, shallow, materialistic, apathetic and mean-spirited attitudes that are continuing to this day.. Blair has himself said that he's an 'admirer' of Thatcher's so I'm not surprised that 'Nu Labour' has turned out the way it has, and neither should you be Craig.. Thatcherism/Reaganomics/Neo Liberalism was the beginning of the rot, if this country had gone down the path of a more Socialist Democracy such as Scandinavia or Holland we would have a vastly better society than the one that rampant Capitalism and Materialism and all the exploitation that goes along with it, has lumbered us with... We really shouldn't be surprised by what's happening now, the "I want it all, and I want it now", "me me me" Meeeedjaaaaaaa Culture is something that propogated in the 1980s.... Just look at the Harry Enfield character "Loadsamoney", practically predicting the birth of the Chav innit....? And the 'video games' analogy is a pretty poor one, does a video game inventor control Govt Policy....? I dont think so...
February 6, 200718 yr But the ones causing all the problems and the moral decay in society are chavs who in 99% of cases are from council estates or similar so if they are young and from council estates given they can't afford property at 14/18 or whatever then their parents clearly did not do very well out of Thatcherism so would be unlikely to pass "greed is good" to their feral offspring, the working class by and large despise Thatcher and everything she stood for so given chavs are by and large working class or underclass I fail to see the connection The middle and upper classes are the ones that were rampant Thatcherites and chavs in very few cases are from those sort of backgrounds and the offspring of middle and upper classes tend to do 6th form then university so are not feral delinquent chavs terrorising the streets and filming each other shagging
February 6, 200718 yr But the ones causing all the problems and the moral decay in society are chavs who in 99% of cases are from council estates or similar so if they are young and from council estates given they can't afford property at 14/18 or whatever then their parents clearly did not do very well out of Thatcherism so would be unlikely to pass "greed is good" to their feral offspring, the working class by and large despise Thatcher and everything she stood for so given chavs are by and large working class or underclass I fail to see the connection The middle and upper classes are the ones that were rampant Thatcherites and chavs in very few cases are from those sort of backgrounds and the offspring of middle and upper classes tend to do 6th form then university so are not feral delinquent chavs terrorising the streets and filming each other shagging Oh come on Craig, I'm talking about a general attidude which permeates every sector of society, doesn't matter the size of your bank balance.. Facts are there were no Chavs before 1979, the working classes in the 50s, 60s and 70s had real prospects and aspirations, then Thatcher and her wholesale destruction of the manufacturing industry, entire communities, she betrayed an entire generation and pretty much destroyed any hopes the working classes may have had up to that point.. You also fail totally to take into account when you criticise the Tabloid Press that Thatcher made it incredibly easy for the likes of Murdoch to come in and totally take over this country's media and dumb down our whole debating culture, you also forget the infamous speech she made - "There's no such thing as Society...." which basically gave the green light to the 'gimme gimme gimme' culture that is rampant now. I have absolutely no doubt whatsoever that she, Sir Keith bloody Joseph and their entire fukked up belief system ("The Market will take care of everything.." Oh, gimme a bloody BREAK.......) are the architects of the situation we now find ourselves in....
February 6, 200718 yr Maggie was a softie compared to Reagan though Britain always takes its lead from America though, it was Reagan that started the whole "greed is good" philosophy so whoever was in power here would have developed the same thing as where America leads everyone else seems to follow, Reagan slashed interest rates and income taxes in America to deliberately fuel a consumer spending spree which in turn found its way this side of the Atlantic, even centerists like John Major and Tony Blair have embraced capitalism and consumerism because like it or not we always follow our lead from America Privatisation and the free market has continued unabated through Major and Blair so its not just Maggie even though Major and Blair are not traditional right wingers by any stretch of the imagination. Capitalism and the free market are the way of the world now, even communist nations like China and Russia are embracing capitalism and consumerism, just look at all the sky scrapers and so on in areas like Shanghai and Beijing, true socialism only really exists in Cuba and Venezuela now
February 6, 200718 yr I've been to Cuba, and it's just terrible there, they are all so poor, doctors gave up their jobs to work in hotels because they get more money from tips. I'd hate to be living in a communist country. Communism works in theory, but not in practice.
February 6, 200718 yr I've been to Cuba, and it's just terrible there, they are all so poor, doctors gave up their jobs to work in hotels because they get more money from tips. I'd hate to be living in a communist country. Communism works in theory, but not in practice. Really? Isn´t Cuba a piece of heaven on earth? How did we go from teenagers filming sexual acts to discuss capitalism/socialism?
February 6, 200718 yr Really? Isn´t Cuba a piece of heaven on earth? How did we go from teenagers filming sexual acts to discuss capitalism/socialism? Sorry I went a bit off topic, but no it's not heaven on earth. The people hate it there, they desperately want to come to england but have to write letters to the government asking if they can. Can't be nice living on $8 a month, when a bottle of water costs $2 there...
February 6, 200718 yr I have never been to Cuba at all but Lucy you are spot on with first hand proof that communism does not work
February 6, 200718 yr but craig, it wasnt the traditional tories that caused the chav culture, nor would thatcher had got in for 3 terms on the backs of traditional tories alone.. it was the thicko working class idiots who 'converted' to thatcherism that i dispise the most. she held out a carrot to these donkeys, 'look you too can be like us' ... but of course they never could! selling off the nations family silver to effectively buy votes off these pillocks is the very reason why hospitals, schools, the railway system etc etc etc was run down. NOW we are all paying for it as water bills, taxes, train tickets etc etc etc have gone up well beyond inflation in order to pay for the negect under thatchers government. THATS what gave rise to what we now call 'chav culture'.
February 6, 200718 yr kids have always said "gimme gimme gimme" but when did parents lose the bottle to say no?? Why do these children have unsupervised access to the internet? Why do these children have uncontrolled access to video phones etc? I see parents being controlled by their kids daily in the playground - makes me want to shake the parents and tell them to take some bloody responsibilty! Oh and I have two rather large teenagers who seem to live in my house to whom I say no very regularly! they do NOT have unrestricted access to the internet... they do NOT have mobile phones They don't like it but they respect it.... kids need boundaries and that is what many of todays "parents" do not provide these days. Oh and I did not rely on the school to provide sex education either - I filled their father with beer and he did it :rofl:
February 6, 200718 yr kids have always said "gimme gimme gimme" but when did parents lose the bottle to say no?? Why do these children have unsupervised access to the internet? Why do these children have uncontrolled access to video phones etc? I see parents being controlled by their kids daily in the playground - makes me want to shake the parents and tell them to take some bloody responsibilty! Oh and I have two rather large teenagers who seem to live in my house to whom I say no very regularly! they do NOT have unrestricted access to the internet... they do NOT have mobile phones They don't like it but they respect it.... kids need boundaries and that is what many of todays "parents" do not provide these days. Oh and I did not rely on the school to provide sex education either - I filled their father with beer and he did it :rofl: my kids have both unrestricted access to the internet and mobile phones. i brought them up to be sensible, responsable and to know whats right and wrong. there comes a time when you have to TRUST them.
February 6, 200718 yr my kids have both unrestricted access to the internet and mobile phones. i brought them up to be sensible, responsable and to know whats right and wrong. there comes a time when you have to TRUST them. Yeah but John judging by his pic looks about 6ft tall and is old enough to get married so you could not tell him not to have a mobile phone or net connection, John is an adult whereas ICR's kids might be 13/14/15 or whatever in which case they are still minors and are more at risk from being corrupted so ICR is doing the right thing there No one needs a mobile phone in this day and age unless they are a businessman/woman or a woman driving alone
February 6, 200718 yr I think teenagers should have phones, my mum won't let me go shopping without mine, just so we're safe if we need to call in an emergency etc.
February 6, 200718 yr Yeah but John judging by his pic looks about 6ft tall and is old enough to get married so you could not tell him not to have a mobile phone or net connection, John is an adult whereas ICR's kids might be 13/14/15 or whatever in which case they are still minors and are more at risk from being corrupted so ICR is doing the right thing there No one needs a mobile phone in this day and age unless they are a businessman/woman or a woman driving alone i see nothng wrong with kids having mobies, from the safety aspect alone. just because some buggers are irresponsable thats no reason to ban all kids from having them, besides the moby is incidental by all accounts, as theyd be having sex anyway.
February 6, 200718 yr I would've thought it's 'this day and age' where we need phones the most, it's so dangerous now...
February 6, 200718 yr Surely having a phone is going to put you at MORE risk though ? mobile phones are the most stolen item in the country in muggings and street robberies so it balances itself out, you are safer in the sense that can phone police if being followed but on the other hand more likely to be mugged
February 6, 200718 yr I dont flash mine about, so if I get mugged it's nothing to do with me having a phone if they cant see it.
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