I believe it must 0,5% of the total then...

 

Well, the Bible does not mention dinosaurs as it doesn´t mention trilobites and all other zillions of animals and vegetals species that have been extinct before men surfaced in Earth, otherwise it would be a much longer book then it already is and it would be a book about paleonthology. It´s not because dinosaurs got "famous" from paleonthology that they are supposed to be more important then 2 million species who existed before. For the record, there were some things that MAN didn´t knew 2 or 4 thousand years ago and were mentioned there... for example, the fact that on primitive earth there was only 1 continent and 1 ocean, and a division ocurred later. And also the fact the universe had a beginning, largely acepted since the big bang theory, but considered a fairitale prior to that for scientists who thought it had always existed.

 

...but surely, as "God created everything"... those big old bloody dinosaurs should've gotten a mention SOMEWHERE in that lovely old book? :rolleyes:

...but surely, as "God created everything"... those big old bloody dinosaurs should've gotten a mention SOMEWHERE in that lovely old book? :rolleyes:

 

And all the other millions of species... After all these species didn´t even have names and didn´t even have a taxonomic classification (which was invented in modern biology), how and why would they be mentioned...

I have to comment on JJN's posts here... thankyou for your 'tolerance' - but you make it sound more like 'sufferance'. I don't ask to be 'tolerated' - why should I? Don't gay people have equal rights - exactly the same as straight people? Do I 'tolerate' straight people? No - they just exist as far as I'm concerned, exactly the same as gay people. Tolerance is a word used to accept something that don't particularly feel is palatable or feel particularly comfortable with - a message I seem to be getting from your numerous posts here.

This is not how it´s supposed to sound... It just happens that you can´t "force" people to like each other. In a perfect world people would love each other. But legislation cannot penetrate such personal feelings. Tolerance is the minimum that must be required but there is not way to force people to like or love something.

 

As for the question regarding gay marriage - as in, why bother.. the reasons are simple.... gay couples, until recently, were not recognised by law, as in, if a lover died, the remaining half of the couple had zero rights over things like estates, inheritance - absurd, really, and it sent a damaging message that no, gay people were not equal with sdtraight people - in this day and age, simply ludicrous.

I don´t know about the legislation of your country, but I think this is something that can easily be resolved in a contract or testament. And in case of one of the members having children (obviously "outside the marriage") then I don´t think the other partner should inherit the stuff.

 

Sexuality is fluid, whether the gays or straights among us here like that fact or not. OK, many people will never fulfill their sexual abilities to sleep with both sexes - some do, most don't. Your sexuality is determined by the society you live in. In Roman times, it was commonplace for men to have male lovers for pleasure, women lovers for children. Don't you think it's strange in these supposedly 'modern' times, when homosexuality is still 'tolerated' and 'suffered' as opposed to fully accepted as a normal way of life for some, that this attitude has changed? Isn't it rather bizarre that humans have altered their sexuiality so much? It was the norm then - what's different now?

Oh well, you can´t take a few cases and make that a norm. Humans have not adultered their sexuality. Homossexuality exists in the animal kingdom but it´s still a minority, not a rule. I believe 90% of straight people never had any fantasy or interest on having a sexual relation with someone of the same sex.

 

ATTITUDES to sexuality, that's what's different - homosexuality was taboo for many hundreds of years, mainly thanks to the crazy religious brigade.... and even today, people balk at the notion that EVERYONE is inherently bisexual, however abhorrent that may seem.

this lacks scientifical proof... Again, I doubt that heterossexual people ever feel atracted by someone of the same sex.

 

Humans are sexual beings - life-term prisoners, for example, who are "100% heterosexual" on the outside, within time, become suddenly 'bisexual' - it's the norm.

The norm... in an exceptional case.

 

Why should things be any different in the outside world?

Because on the outside world there are human beings of the opposite sex available, which makes the option for someone of the same sex considerably less interesting. When you see dogs doing it in the streets, 99% of the cases it´s a male/female couple - and I don´t thing they have been influenced by religion or moral values.

 

Then if it was just a matter of choice, why would someone chose to be gay when that is surely going to cause a lot of social inconveniences...

 

Then if everyone was supposed to be bissexual, and humans became heteros because they altered their nature, then homossexuality would be an equal alteration. I don´t think many gay people feel atracted by woman all the time. Why the predisposition to like men when you are supposed to be "bi"?

And all the other millions of species... After all these species didn´t even have names and didn´t even have a taxonomic classification (which was invented in modern biology), how and why would they be mentioned...

 

ERRR... because some of them were 30 to 40 feet tall? Because they ruled the earth before man? Because they left hundreds of clues as to their existence? Because humans would STILL have been finding these colossal skeletons...? SOME mention SOMEWHERE... come on....

Janet Jacksons Nipple... I think your religion is tainting any argument you attempt with regards to homosexuality... you seem to view it, again in these few new posts, as something that is rather distasteful - and I find that tone insulting in the extreme.

 

My points about Rome, fr one example, were not 'a few cases'... bisexuality was the NORM then... so don't you think it odd that in these present times bisexuality is (supposedly) far less common? The same options are available now... attitudes, however, are hugely different these days.

 

If it was deemed 'socially acceptable' to be gay or bisexual, you can bet your bottom dollar there would be far, far more than the (supposed) 10% of gays and bisexuals in the open. It's still the case that many, many bisexuals marry to hide their true feelings - and gay activities like cottaging, cruising, rent boys... it's rarely out and out homosexuals who participate in this behaviour - it's supposedly 'straight' men.....

i totally disagree with you there russ...

 

ever since tom robinson sang 'glad to be gay', ive allways understood by a multitude of gay men that they were born that way...

 

no matter how much gay sex i see, id never ever partake in a gay sex act... nor would the gay men i know have sex with a female in the absence of men.... it just doesnt rise, to another man, a kid, or an animal! it dont get it going m8, its not in me!

yikes Rob.. you sound a bit vanilla in the sack, mate... a lights-off kinda guy.

 

I'd never EVER say never to any legal sex act - with a man or a woman.. sex is for fun, for experimenting.... unless you've actually experimented... how can you say you wouldn't get aroused by it? It's your mind that tells you no, Rob, I can tell you that much....

 

Sex should be about fun, about experimentation, about opening your mind to a wealth of possibilities... that's what makes a wonderful lover.

And all the other millions of species... After all these species didn´t even have names and didn´t even have a taxonomic classification (which was invented in modern biology), how and why would they be mentioned...

 

They would have been mentioned as the "great beasts who once ruled Eden aeons before man..." or something like that.... And, erm, why NOT mention them..? If God 'created' man, then he/she/it 'created' Dinosaurs... Kind of important, dont you think..? Sorry mate, your arguments just make no sense to me, at all... On the one hand, God has left out important information or on the other, the text is not written by god, but by man... Either way, the text is unreliable and should be ignored...

 

I'd never EVER say never to any legal sex act - with a man or a woman.. sex is for fun, for experimenting.... unless you've actually experimented... how can you say you wouldn't get aroused by it? It's your mind that tells you no, Rob, I can tell you that much....

 

Sex should be about fun, about experimentation, about opening your mind to a wealth of possibilities... that's what makes a wonderful lover.

 

Totally agree mate, and with your previous post as well... It is only with the advent of Judeo-Christianity, and later Islam, that same sex relations has become 'sinful' or 'blasphemous'... It was the norm in Ancient Greece, Rome and other pre-Christian societies.... "A woman to bear children and a boy for pleasure" is how I believe one of the Greek Philosophers put it....

 

Homophobia nothing to do with Religion..??? Nonsense, it has EVERYTHING to do with it....

 

yikes Rob.. you sound a bit vanilla in the sack, mate... a lights-off kinda guy.

 

I'd never EVER say never to any legal sex act - with a man or a woman.. sex is for fun, for experimenting.... unless you've actually experimented... how can you say you wouldn't get aroused by it? It's your mind that tells you no, Rob, I can tell you that much....

 

Sex should be about fun, about experimentation, about opening your mind to a wealth of possibilities... that's what makes a wonderful lover.

 

 

not so russ.... i know what i like, i always have done, at my age ive seen/heard about/read about/ experienced just about everything. i dont think theres anything new... i know what i get aroused by and i know what i dont! i agree that sex should be experimented with to find your own level of pleasure but tbh its mainly for the young! lol, wait until your my age boy!!! youll understand lol :)

 

and the lights are never out in the bedroom m8! (just dimmed, or candles ;) )

Homophobia nothing to do with Religion..??? Nonsense, it has EVERYTHING to do with it....

 

 

so if there was no religion, there would be no homophobia?... thats bollox m8!

hehe.. fair play, Rob.

 

I just find it strange that anyone can never have experimented.... it's seemingly the norm these days... well, probably always has been.

 

And the people I've slept with who are apparently resolutely one way or the other are usually the ones I'd never sleep with again to be honest... I like total absolute open-mindedness with my lovers... I'd never again sleep with someone who vows they're either gay or straight... to me, that's like admitting you're a bit naff in the sack.

ERRR... because some of them were 30 to 40 feet tall? Because they ruled the earth before man? Because they left hundreds of clues as to their existence? Because humans would STILL have been finding these colossal skeletons...? SOME mention SOMEWHERE... come on....

 

Maybe because the existence of a 50 feet tall reptile 70 million years ago is completely irrelevant for the life of anyone who is not a paleonthologist and interest in that matter... And because 90% of the dinosaur species had "normal" sizes like dogs, cats, and today´s animals, and only the few giant ones became famous. And also there were other types of animals which were big.

Janet Jacksons Nipple... I think your religion is tainting any argument you attempt with regards to homosexuality... you seem to view it, again in these few new posts, as something that is rather distasteful - and I find that tone insulting in the extreme.

 

My points about Rome, fr one example, were not 'a few cases'... bisexuality was the NORM then... so don't you think it odd that in these present times bisexuality is (supposedly) far less common? The same options are available now... attitudes, however, are hugely different these days.

 

If it was deemed 'socially acceptable' to be gay or bisexual, you can bet your bottom dollar there would be far, far more than the (supposed) 10% of gays and bisexuals in the open. It's still the case that many, many bisexuals marry to hide their true feelings - and gay activities like cottaging, cruising, rent boys... it's rarely out and out homosexuals who participate in this behaviour - it's supposedly 'straight' men.....

 

Sorry but this is just wishful thinking... There is no evidence or proof that homosseuxality had been norm in any earthly civilization. It might have been fully acepted and considered normal in some places, but was never a norm. Remember not a single human being have been born from an homossexual relationship. That must mean that humans must have a natural tendence for the opposite sex... And then again the "animal" argument remais unchanged, the vast majority of the animals only have sex with a partner of the opposite sex.

yikes Rob.. you sound a bit vanilla in the sack, mate... a lights-off kinda guy.

 

I'd never EVER say never to any legal sex act - with a man or a woman.. sex is for fun, for experimenting.... unless you've actually experimented... how can you say you wouldn't get aroused by it? It's your mind that tells you no, Rob, I can tell you that much....

 

Sex should be about fun, about experimentation, about opening your mind to a wealth of possibilities... that's what makes a wonderful lover.

 

Why would someone experiment something which he never felt atracted for? I think it´s kinda crazy... I will never experiment sex with dogs, cows, or tables. People feel atraction, they don´t ask for it. When you are on your puberty you just start feeling excited when you see a Pussycat Dolls video or a woman in a magazine, but sometimes it happens that people feel atracted by someone of the same sex. Usually, people never asked or chosed to feel that, it just happens naturally, and to some people it never will.

They would have been mentioned as the "great beasts who once ruled Eden aeons before man..." or something like that.... And, erm, why NOT mention them..? If God 'created' man, then he/she/it 'created' Dinosaurs... Kind of important, dont you think..? Sorry mate, your arguments just make no sense to me, at all... On the one hand, God has left out important information or on the other, the text is not written by god, but by man... Either way, the text is unreliable and should be ignored...

 

Well, if a book was supposed to mention things that existed before men, even if this book had a million pages, the history of mankind would just appear in the last few verses... It would make an exremely pointless reading. Dinosaurs are not the only important thing on Earth´s past, and why didn´t the book mentions black holes and other galaxies? Because it´s completely irrelevant for its purpouse. And again nobody said it was a book "written" by God as all parts of it had an human author, each part could have been "inspired" for its purpouse.

Totally agree mate, and with your previous post as well... It is only with the advent of Judeo-Christianity, and later Islam, that same sex relations has become 'sinful' or 'blasphemous'... It was the norm in Ancient Greece, Rome and other pre-Christian societies.... "A woman to bear children and a boy for pleasure" is how I believe one of the Greek Philosophers put it....

 

Homophobia nothing to do with Religion..??? Nonsense, it has EVERYTHING to do with it....

 

Then if we would follow the habits of ancient romans and greeks, paedophilia would be something naturally acepted, and woman wouldn´t be considered "citizens". The prashe you mentioned from the philosopher just shows how men used to consider their wives, and by the way the habits of one person cannot be generalized to the whole population. Remember greeks and romans ALSO had their religion, and it also required adoration to Gods, had their myths and prejudices, and included sacrificing animals and stuff. In Acient Greece a children could be sacrificed if born with misformation or some "defect". It was common back then parents just leave their babies when it was born female cause it was almost considered a disgrace.

 

The world would be a better place if there was no religion at all.

so if there was no religion, there would be no homophobia?... thats bollox m8!

 

It probably wouldn't be institutionlised....

 

Well, if a book was supposed to mention things that existed before men, even if this book had a million pages, the history of mankind would just appear in the last few verses... It would make an exremely pointless reading. Dinosaurs are not the only important thing on Earth´s past, and why didn´t the book mentions black holes and other galaxies? Because it´s completely irrelevant for its purpouse. And again nobody said it was a book "written" by God as all parts of it had an human author, each part could have been "inspired" for its purpouse.

 

Why on Earth are you making such great pains to defend this woefully innacurate and totally jaundiced text which has caused nothing but death, division, wars and misery for the past two thousand fukkin' years....??? The fact that it contradicts itself almost continually has been what has led to the many 'misreadings' of the text and the fact that even Christians themselves cannot agree on what the bloody thing actually means, therefore you have about a hundred different 'Christian' Churches all saying their way is the right one and that everyone else are 'heathens' and 'heretics'... The fact that it is leaving out all this important information about the universe about millions of years of the history of the planet is proof to me that it is NOT something we should be taking at face value or putting any of our faith or energy into... Christianity, Islam, Judaism are FATALLY FLAWED CONCEPTS..... You (rightly) criticise Islam so much, and yet seem to make excuses for the flaws and excesses of Christianity, is it any wonder Russ thinks you're a fanatical Christian zealot....?