You talk as if this was some ancient history, it wasn't.... The facts are that Dance has become so grossly commercialised that it now has no distinction from regular Pop Music.... When you see 'best of' year lists which include names like Madonna, Robbie Williams, etc, then it's really no wonder that no one can actually distinguish it anymore... And in any case, this so-called 'list' is supposed to be an Ultimate guide, which SHOULD be going back to the late 80s Chicago and Detroit scenes as well as taking in Rave Culture... It is entirely a wrong and distorted list heavily biased in favour of post-98... Could you imagine someone doing a similar list for "Ultimate Rock/Metal Anthems" and missing out the likes of Black Sabbath, Led Zeppelin, Deep Purple, Judas Priest, Iron Maiden, Rolling Stones, etc.. and heavily weighting it in favour of Nu Metal, Emo, Metalcore, etc? Wouldn't happen would it...? It would be entirely fukkin ludicrous....

 

Well that's what happens when things get commercialised, people jump on the bandwagons. I've never seen Madonna or Robbie in ultimate dance lists, even though Madge worked with some dance producer to give her more credibility. The list here is for a specific show on Radio 1, voted by avid listeners. Most of the content on the show is mid-late 90s up to now, with some old skool shows thrown it, so obviously the list reflects the listeners choice. But each genre has its own revolutions, the late 90s was more prominent for trance, hence why this list reflects that so much, it just happens that listeners prefer this kind of dance that early 90s leftfield dance.

And in any case, this so-called 'list' is supposed to be an Ultimate guide, which SHOULD be going back to the late 80s Chicago and Detroit scenes as well as taking in Rave Culture... It is entirely a wrong and distorted list heavily biased in favour of post-98...

 

it is Radio 1's Dance Anthems Ultimate Top 20. i suppose the term 'dance' could go back to the disco of 1970s or to wigan in the 1960s??? perhap. perhaps, perhaps?

 

Could you imagine someone doing a similar list for "Ultimate Rock/Metal Anthems" and missing out the likes of Black Sabbath, Led Zeppelin, Deep Purple, Judas Priest, Iron Maiden, Rolling Stones, etc.. and heavily weighting it in favour of Nu Metal, Emo, Metalcore, etc? Wouldn't happen would it...? It would be entirely fukkin ludicrous....

 

yeah i could depending on what radio brand is doing it for which auds reach.

 

suppose "Ultimate Rock/Metal Anthems" on The Arrow, Virgin Classic, Classic Rock mag would only be like Black Sabbath, Led Zeppelin, Deep Purple, Judas Priest, Iron Maiden, Rolling Stones, etc

 

and saying that the hits do play the kinks on their friday night riffs anthems show among more people who are more metal, grunge and rock.

 

btw the hits have been doing most cheesy awful hits last week.

 

and this made me hurt myself laughing until i realized i spent £25 on the last MCR album boxset :cry:

 

Well that's what happens when things get commercialised, people jump on the bandwagons. I've never seen Madonna or Robbie in ultimate dance lists, even though Madge worked with some dance producer to give her more credibility. The list here is for a specific show on Radio 1, voted by avid listeners. Most of the content on the show is mid-late 90s up to now, with some old skool shows thrown it, so obviously the list reflects the listeners choice. But each genre has its own revolutions, the late 90s was more prominent for trance, hence why this list reflects that so much, it just happens that listeners prefer this kind of dance that early 90s leftfield dance.

 

I reckon it's more a case of people not knowing anything about the music they supposedly love.... Say what you like about Metallers/Hard Rock fans, they have a very keen awareness and knowlege of their genre's history and how it developed....... Look at our John, 17 years old knows all about Maiden and Sabbath even though he wasn't even born when they were at their peaks...

 

I reckon it's more a case of people not knowing anything about the music they supposedly love.... Say what you like about Metallers/Hard Rock fans, they have a very keen awareness and knowlege of their genre's history and how it developed....... Look at our John, 17 years old knows all about Maiden and Sabbath even though he wasn't even born when they were at their peaks...

 

in MW there was a feature on Rock magazines and it said that 'if they were doing a piece on a band like tool and they could provide background info on an older band that influenced them they would do so'. so obv theres gonna be acts that always get writen about like Maiden and Sabbath, and they will always do.

I reckon it's more a case of people not knowing anything about the music they supposedly love.... Say what you like about Metallers/Hard Rock fans, they have a very keen awareness and knowlege of their genre's history and how it developed....... Look at our John, 17 years old knows all about Maiden and Sabbath even though he wasn't even born when they were at their peaks...

 

Well, it varies from person to person i'd say.

The main thing you need to know here is this is based on radio listeners, not some dance experts who know everything about the genre. What do they base it on? Popularity. How do we measure popularity? Songs they heard a lot in clubs, radios, music channels, usually because they were very big hits. I guess age should be taken into consideration too, normally people would vote for songs they grew up with.

Well, it varies from person to person i'd say.

The main thing you need to know here is this is based on radio listeners, not some dance experts who know everything about the genre. What do they base it on? Popularity. How do we measure popularity?

 

normally its by the charts but obv most of that works on a 'plugger had pushed this hard, the auds reach is strong and the advertisers are happy' kinda manipulation

 

 

Thats because being a big hit in the charts affects everything else, like radio play, etc... However, it can also start with popularity in the club, if a record is very popular in the club world, normally its geared towards a commercial release and ends up, then, being a hit. Anyway, i'll re-open this topic as soon as i'm back online, need to keep an eye on it.

Opened again.

Opened again.

 

Thank you..... :)

 

Well, it varies from person to person i'd say.

The main thing you need to know here is this is based on radio listeners, not some dance experts who know everything about the genre. What do they base it on? Popularity. How do we measure popularity? Songs they heard a lot in clubs, radios, music channels, usually because they were very big hits. I guess age should be taken into consideration too, normally people would vote for songs they grew up with.

 

Popularity eh.... Well, funny you should mention that..... The Prodigy, Underworld, Chemical Brothers, The KLF, etc, ALL scored Top 10 hits back in the day, so not exactly 'obscure' is it (I found your use of the term 'leftfield' in a previous post to be most amusing by the way, for obvious reasons :lol: ..)...? Of course now because the Dance/Techno genre is totally saturated with all this commercial, poppy Trance sh!te (which actually does no credit to the original Trance Techno as pioneered by KLF, Drum Club, FSOL and System 7) the false impression being given is this is what the genre is about, when in fact it's no more the be-all and end-all of what Dance/Techno is about than Nu Metal/Metalcore was the be all and end all of the Metal genre... Many people dont even consider the likes of The Prodigy to be a Dance act anymore because of the way the facts have been utterly distorted, and these days you'll more likely hear Prod in a ruddy INDIE club than anywhere else... And the facts are Liam Howlett/The Prodigy was there when it was all kicking off and he was a vital element to the UK Dance scene, and it should never, ever be forgotten or glossed over by some bullsh!t, revisionist interpretation of genre history....

 

You are way too concerned with what is popular and not concerned nearly enough with what the genre is and should be about..... This list should have been made up by Dance experts because at least then a bit of balance could have been achieved, and we would have had all sub-genres from Detroit Techno to Chicago House to Rave to Ambient to EBM to Electro to Techno to Drum and Bass to Trance Techno to late-90s Trance to what is going on now being represented.... Instead what we get is this.....

 

The thing about radio one is everything is done in half measures. Those are like the most watered down dance tracks. Hence the blandness of the whole thing.

yeah obviously music genres are hard to define, especially when they are so volatile. R&B nowadays is totally different from R&B from back in the day.

 

Actually, title is different.... R&B back then meant Rhythm and Blues, R&B now means Rhythm and Bass (not to be confused with 'Drum and Bass' folks..).. I see them as totally separate entities with absolutely nothing in common with each other..... A true modern day rendering of "Rhythm and Blues" would be Portishead/Beth Gibbons' solo material, or stuff like Red Snapper, not utter c**p like Nelly or J-Lo.....

I was there, too... and fully agree.... this is nonsense, this including 2Unlimited in ANY dance retrospective... they were ALWAYS laughed at, always ridiculed and NEVER considered part of the dance revolution that happened then.

 

History cannot be re-written whilst the participants are still alive to tell it like it REALLY was.....

 

 

100% behind you m8...

 

ive noticed that its happening all over the current music scene... changing genre definitions etc..

100% behind you m8...

 

ive noticed that its happening all over the current music scene... changing genre definitions etc..

 

Exactly mate.... Like I said, it's pure 'revisionism'...... At the end of the day, it's really about Record Companies trying to peddle their pop acts as something else, something a bit more 'street' or a bit more 'cred', because obviously just calling them 'Pop' clearly isn't good enough.... Whether it be Guitar Pop bands like Kaiser Chiefs or Keane being mis-labeled as "Indie", My Chemical Romance or Fall Out Boy being mis-labelled as "Emo" or "Alternative"; or indeed all this 'pretend Dance' stuff that's infesting the charts like a dose of the clap... The Metal scene stood up against such re-definitions and totally rejected 'Nu Metal' acts like Linkin Park, P.O.D. and Limp Bizkit, Adema, Papa Roach, etc; a wholesale cull of these bands from the scene took place in the early 00s, and true Metal re-established itself with bands like Trivium, Dragonforce, Nightwish, Cradle of Filth, Tool, Fear Factory, Mastodon, Lamb of God, In Flames and others, and the re-ignition of interest in old skool acts like Slayer, Iron Maiden, Celtic Frost, etc... Some in the Metal scene go a bit too far and refuse to accept acts like Slipknot or Avenged Sevenfold, which is a bit silly really.... Something similar of this kind really has to take place in the Dance and Indie genres, or the true ethos of these genres will be lost forever...

 

I think there are certain individuals that need to loosen up a bit here.

 

There is nothing wrong with commercialisation, aslong as it doesn't mean dumbing down - of which there is a lot of insipid rubbish tat out there (hello Cascada!). But for every 'I need a Miracle', theres a 'Creeps' and a 'Yeah Yeah' - tracks that stand out like sore thumbs and keep the dance scene thriving AND translate into bit hits thus proving you don't need to make run-of-the-mill cover versions that secure a big hit.

I think there are certain individuals that need to loosen up a bit here.

 

There is nothing wrong with commercialisation, aslong as it doesn't mean dumbing down - of which there is a lot of insipid rubbish tat out there (hello Cascada!). But for every 'I need a Miracle', theres a 'Creeps' and a 'Yeah Yeah' - tracks that stand out like sore thumbs and keep the dance scene thriving AND translate into bit hits thus proving you don't need to make run-of-the-mill cover versions that secure a big hit.

 

Compared to how things were in the early and mid-90s and stuff like Prodigy, Underworld, Chemical Brothers, Orbital, KLF, Moby, etc defining the genre and being the 'commercial' face of Dance (scoring many Top 10/20 hits between them btw, so I certainly have no objections to acts actually selling records so long as the music itself is actually any BLOODY GOOD..), I would say 'dumbing down' is pretty much exactly what's occurred from the late '90s onwards with all this bloody 'Sash', Robert Miles-type bollocks..... Still, Dance isn't the ONLY genre that this has happened to by any means - look at the sorry state Indie and Alternative genres are in these days... Dumbing down has occurred right across the boards.. Except in Metal, where the genre re-established itself after a wholesale rejection of being dumbed down by 'Nu Metal'.... Seems to me that the Metallers are about the only ones who have the courage to stand up to the dumbing-down process....

Hmm although I love most of the songs on the list, my list would have also included..

(reflecting on this list I have realised that this probably wouldn't be an "Ultimate" list but it would defo be mine!! :blush:)

 

Groove Armada - Superstylin'

Shades Of Rhythm - Sound Of Eden

iiO - Rapture

Supermode - Tell Me Why

Eurythmics - Sweet Dreams (Angello & Ingrosso Vocal Edit)

Layo & Bushwacka - Love Story Vs Finally

Lowalk & DJ Loki - Seamrider

Junior Jack - Da Hype (White Label) The version without the whiney vocals

Cosmic Gate - Exploration Of Space

Vera Cocha - Carte Blanche

D.O.N.S - Big Fun

Kendoh - Nakasaki

Armin Van Buuren - Eternity

Push - Strange World

Minimalistix - Struggle For Pleasure

Mike Koglin - The Silence

Night Crawlers - Push The Feeling On

Justice Vs Simian - We Are Your Friends

Motorcycle - As The Rush Comes

N'joi - Anthem

Gusto - Disco's Revenge

Saffron Hill ft Ben Onono - My Love Is Always There

Chicane - Saltwater

and pretty much any Fatboy Slim track :D

 

there are loads more.. don't tell me off if this isn't to your taste! :P

Groove Armada - Superstylin' :dance:

Shades Of Rhythm - Sound Of Eden :yahoo:

iiO - Rapture :yahoo:

Supermode - Tell Me Why ^_^

Eurythmics - Sweet Dreams (Angello & Ingrosso Vocal Edit) :blink:

Layo & Bushwacka - Love Story Vs Finally :angry: (never liked this version, the original KoT version is far superior)

Lowalk & DJ Loki - Seamrider :blink:

Junior Jack - Da Hype (White Label) The version without the whiney vocals :mellow:

Cosmic Gate - Exploration Of Space :mellow:

Vera Cocha - Carte Blanche :cheer:

D.O.N.S - Big Fun :dance:

Kendoh - Nakasaki :D (Mega tacky but top choon!)

Armin Van Buuren - Eternity :blink:

Push - Strange World :dance:

Minimalistix - Struggle For Pleasure :blink:

Mike Koglin - The Silence <_<

Night Crawlers - Push The Feeling On :D

Justice Vs Simian - We Are Your Friends :yahoo:

Motorcycle - As The Rush Comes :dance:

N'joi - Anthem :cheer: :cheer: :cheer: (Effing CHOON!)

Gusto - Disco's Revenge :cheer:

Saffron Hill ft Ben Onono - My Love Is Always There -_-

Chicane - Saltwater ^_^

 

Nice list there, you obviously know your stuff somewhat... you should post here more often!

I will.. a lot of the threads bug me though as I HATE hate hate when people say they are massive dance fans and then quote cascada etc as their favourite dance artist! And I've noticed a few of them lurking in the corners of this forum. Haha -_-

Well I guess you'll just have to live with that, as it's a free forum ;) the Commercial forum was created especially cos of that.