Oh give me a break. Obviously it's dolphins that induce this response. Imagine if they had been sharks - an extremely similar species and yet few people would be offended. And the reponse... "they kill dogs and cats in China" just proves that people only feel empathy for "cute" animals.

 

Look, I eat meat and I believe that forces me to adopt a standpoint that killing animals for food is ethical. I believe EVERYONE who eats meat thus adopts this same attitude. Similarly, I can't say that killing a cute dolphin for food is worse than killing a cow for food just because ol' Flipper saved the drowning boy in a 1963 film.

 

The nerve of you people lambasting fishermen who kill the dolphins. Want me to find a video of cows being slaughtered? How about baby cows? Or chickens raised in deplorable filth and with unspeakable genetic mutations so you can enjoy that KFC? If you're a vegetarian, I respectfully omit you from my criticism and admire you. But for anyone else, it's ridiculous.

 

Hear, Hear... It is the height of hypocrisy really... Although I do think that there is something a bit wrong with killing sharks only for the fins, at least use the whole thing if you're gonna kill it...

 

Cows, sheep, pigs, chickens and so on are animals that are purely bred for food, they would not exist were it not for the fact they are on earth to be part of the food chain, you can't compare sheep, pigs and cows with dolphins its an absurd analogy, when I go to the supermarket I don't see dolphin meat or whale meat or giraffe meat or lion meat as those animals and mammals are not bred purely for food so they have more rights to a peaceful existence than a cow or a sheep or a pig, cows,chickens, pigs and so on should of course be treated well and killed compassionately

Edited March 21, 200718 yr by Vic Vega

Cows, sheep, pigs, chickens and so on are animals that are purely bred for food, they would not exist were it not for the fact they are on earth to be part of the food chain, you can't compare sheep, pigs and cows with dolphins its an absurd analogy, when I go to the supermarket I don't see dolphin meat or whale meat or giraffe meat or lion meat as those animals and mammals are not bred purely for food so they have more rights to a peaceful existence than a cow or a sheep or a pig, cows,chickens, pigs and so on should of course be treated well and killed compassionately

 

Just cos Dolphin meat aint on sale here Craig, doesn't mean that other nations cant consider it a delicacy... We dont eat sheeps brains in this country, but they do elsewhere... Are the French to be considered 'evil' or 'uncivilised' because they eat horse meat and we dont....? And many people in Africa do actually eat 'bush meat' - giraffe, monkey, etc...

 

And, by the way, Whale products were sold in this country at one point in our history, just because we got all morally uptight about it, doesn't mean we have the right to have a downer on other nations who have different ways of doing things... How DARE we presume to dictate to others how they should conduct their affairs... You dont have to like the idea of it to respect someone else's way of doing things... And I really dont think going around branding entire cultures as somehow being 'uncivilised' just because of how some fishermen act is productive or correct... People talk about whales becoming extinct if they are culled (which wouldn't happen anyway because there would be strict quotas), well, you know what, there are entire species of other marine life that are on the verge of becoming extinct because of over-fishing (cod, haddock being two examples I can think of off the top of my head), and I dont hear a damn thing from anyone about that (presumably because they 'taste good', yeah..?), in fact, when the EU actually comes down and brings in quotas in order to try and preserve the fish stocks, all you ever hear is people whining about it.....

Just because something has been going on for hundreds of years doesn't make it right though

 

Stoning women to death is part of some cultures but it is not morally right

 

Halal meat is part of my own religion but it is not morally right

 

1m sheep and cattle get their throats slit in Mecca as part of a thanksgiving to allah but it is not morally right

 

Toffs in the UK have been brutally killing foxes for centuries but it is still not morally right

 

Countries including ours with regards to fox hunting have to consign certain practices to the dustbin however long those traditions have been going for and as well as the above Canada and Norway need to stop whaling and clubbing seals, China and Japan need to treat animals like dogs and cats in a dignified fashion when killing them and so on, the same goes for cannibalism in Africa. There are certain practices that are just not fit in a modern day society in the 21st century, we abolished the death penalty because it was no longer a fit thing in a modern day society too.

Edited March 21, 200718 yr by Vic Vega

Just because something has been going on for hundreds of years doesn't make it right though

 

Stoning women to death is part of some cultures but it is not morally right

 

Halal meat is part of my own religion but it is not morally right

 

1m sheep and cattle get their throats slit in Mecca as part of a thanksgiving to allah but it is not morally right

 

Toffs in the UK have been brutally killing foxes for centuries but it is still not morally right

 

Countries including ours with regards to fox hunting have to consign certain practices to the dustbin however long those traditions have been going for and as well as the above Canada and Norway need to stop whaling and clubbing seals, China and Japan need to treat animals like dogs and cats in a dignified fashion when killing them and so on, the same goes for cannibalism in Africa. There are certain practices that are just not fit in a modern day society in the 21st century, we abolished the death penalty because it was no longer a fit thing in a modern day society too.

 

There you go talking about the 'cute' animals again - the dogs, the cats, the seals, the foxes..... Sorry mate, but I think you, like the public at large, are being rather selective.. What makes killing a dolphin in a net less humane than killing a tuna fish...? I refer you to the Denis Leary quote...

 

And just what makes you think that slitting an animal's throat is actually more painful to it than shooting a bolt through its cranium...? Killing is killing.. My main objection here is that we Westerners are making out like we somehow have more respect for animals, when in fact, we don't. Not in the least... And, yes, I am playing Devil's Advocate a bit, I admit that, but I am doing so to point out the hypocrisy of our attitudes..

 

Halal..? I thought the Jewish method was referred to as 'Kosher'... :unsure:

Halal..? I thought the Jewish method was referred to as 'Kosher'... :unsure:

 

Good point lol total brainfade :blush: :blush: I should not work and type at the same time lol

The "cute" animals though are what get media attention and galvanise public opinion

 

Whaling, killing dolphins, killing tigers and elephants and so on is what gets media attention, if 1000 zebra were rounded up and killed it would get no media attention, 10 tigers get rounded up and killed it would make the front page of every newspaper in the world that is just the realities of life but the "cute" animals is what spurs people into donating to animal charities, helps put international pressure on governments to improve things for animals, spurs people into wanting to be conservationists so the fact that people respond to cute animals ultimately helps animals further down the chain

 

 

The "cute" animals though are what get media attention and galvanise public opinion

 

people respond to cute animals ultimately helps animals further down the chain

 

I dont think it does though mate... Why else does practically nobody give a sh!t about the fact that cod, haddock and herring are on the endangered list through over-fishing...?

 

I dont think it does though mate... Why else does practically nobody give a sh!t about the fact that cod, haddock and herring are on the endangered list through over-fishing...?

 

Probably because we eat them and see cod and haddock in the supermarket and chippie so it reduces the effect, were dolphin or whale meat to be sold in Tesco's then there would be riots in the streets.

 

I don't think its a cuteness thing though tbh because duck's are very very cute and rabbits/bunnies are very cute too but meat of both is freely available in supermarkets and restaurants

Edited March 21, 200718 yr by Vic Vega

to skin ANY animal alive, whether considered 'cute' or not is the height of barbarism.... this argument here is ridiculous and an argument simply for argument's sake.... dogs are NOT bred to eat or to provide fur, not here, not in China... most of these dogs seen in the PETA video are strays or dogs STOLEN from people.

 

 

That's just typical snobbery, cultural imperialism and ignorance really, and the sort of ill-informed sh!te that keeps marijuana for medicinal purposes illegal when it's perfectly okay to shoot a person full of morphine (which is a thousand times more addictive and a lot more damaging to a person's physiology) for pain management and relief .. <_< Herbal remedies existed a LOT longer than modern medicine, and a lot of herbal remedies are every bit as effective, some are actually a lot less damaging to the body than modern drugs... The herbal cures for headaches, backpain, etc are just as effective as paracetomol, aspirin, ibuprofen, etc....

 

It´s no snobbery, and why you have to be so rude, to be honest I think you go to over the top with your political correctness, that sees every criticism to another country or culture as some type of vile prejudice. When you have a cancer you will want to go to a doctor or use some vegetable from China or India? Herbal remedies existed a lot longer than modern medicine just like horses existed a lot longer then cars... And I don´t see the relation to killing dolphins, are they used as herbal remedies? The thing is we´re not discussing about simply killing an animal, but the fact they have to cause the maximum pain and torture to it and for unjustified reasons. I´m not sayng traditional medicine is useless, it´s not, but I´d never use it instead of scientifically proven treatment when I have conditions.

Oh give me a break. Obviously it's dolphins that induce this response. Imagine if they had been sharks - an extremely similar species and yet few people would be offended. And the reponse... "they kill dogs and cats in China" just proves that people only feel empathy for "cute" animals.

 

Look, I eat meat and I believe that forces me to adopt a standpoint that killing animals for food is ethical. I believe EVERYONE who eats meat thus adopts this same attitude. Similarly, I can't say that killing a cute dolphin for food is worse than killing a cow for food just because ol' Flipper saved the drowning boy in a 1963 film.

 

The nerve of you people lambasting fishermen who kill the dolphins. Want me to find a video of cows being slaughtered? How about baby cows? Or chickens raised in deplorable filth and with unspeakable genetic mutations so you can enjoy that KFC? If you're a vegetarian, I respectfully omit you from my criticism and admire you. But for anyone else, it's ridiculous.

 

The topic was a reaction for "the way they kill the animals". I´m sure that if you post a video of a cow being killed in the most painful way and slowly just for fun or superstition would upset people the same way... If they have to be killed then do it quickly and not for fun.

There you go talking about the 'cute' animals again - the dogs, the cats, the seals, the foxes..... Sorry mate, but I think you, like the public at large, are being rather selective.. What makes killing a dolphin in a net less humane than killing a tuna fish...? I refer you to the Denis Leary quote...

 

And just what makes you think that slitting an animal's throat is actually more painful to it than shooting a bolt through its cranium...? Killing is killing.. My main objection here is that we Westerners are making out like we somehow have more respect for animals, when in fact, we don't. Not in the least... And, yes, I am playing Devil's Advocate a bit, I admit that, but I am doing so to point out the hypocrisy of our attitudes..

 

Halal..? I thought the Jewish method was referred to as 'Kosher'... :unsure:

 

The difference is that a fish and a mammal are completely different animals (unlike someone pointed above that sharks and dolphins were extremely similar - just because of their exterior "fish" apperence), when in fact mammals have a brain much more developed the reptiles, fishes, and other inferior animals like insects. People feel more empathy for them for the same reasons you feel (or should feel) more empathy for a hungry human being then for a hungry dog... I don´t think westerns have more respect for animals then easterns. For an hindu person, killing and eating a cow would be a scandal, just like touching a pig for a jew would be a moral disaster. The thing is, everytime we make criticism about something that is happening somewhere in the world you will come and point to other stuff happening in our own countries/cultures. Just like we have to be silent about it because people kill foxes in UK. I didn´t see anyone supporting this attitude here.

O/T I guess but the animal welfare movement is a poorer place with this great man's passing, only 55 :( one of the great conservationists of our time

 

 

 

Jim Cronin, the founder of Monkey World ape rescue centre, has died aged 55.

Mr Cronin died in hospital in New York on Saturday afternoon after a short illness.

 

Monkey World, near Wool in Dorset, was set up in 1987 to provide abused Spanish beach chimps with a permanent home.

 

The centre, which is home to 150 apes of 15 different species, is now at the forefront of a worldwide campaign to stop the illegal smuggling of apes.

 

Mr Cronin and his wife Alison established the centre's worldwide reputation for excellence in primate rehabilitation.

 

They also worked with governments to rehome abused animals and campaigned to stop the illegal hunting, smuggling and sale of endangered species.

 

Ruust i remember that video being posted at coolclarity, it's one of the nastiest things i've ever seen, i don't understand why they can't kill the animal first as that video shows it's probably harder to skin them why they're alive, the parts where they left an animal alive with no skin and when the man stood on a wolfs head where awful. :( :puke2:

to skin ANY animal alive, whether considered 'cute' or not is the height of barbarism.... this argument here is ridiculous and an argument simply for argument's sake.... dogs are NOT bred to eat or to provide fur, not here, not in China... most of these dogs seen in the PETA video are strays or dogs STOLEN from people.

 

Well that is a good point about the dogs then, but I do not understand the "bred to be eaten" justification. What is the difference whether or not an animal was born in the wild or in a field next to a slughterhouse? Can chickens raised in a hot house not feel? Do they deserve to die?

 

The dogs in China were stolen, okay, but these dolphins weren't.

 

Keep in mind I love animals and obviously the dolphin video was disturbing, but I just can't stand people that lament about such things in between bites of a humburger.

Well that is a good point about the dogs then, but I do not understand the "bred to be eaten" justification. What is the difference whether or not an animal was born in the wild or in a field next to a slughterhouse? Can chickens raised in a hot house not feel? Do they deserve to die?

 

The dogs in China were stolen, okay, but these dolphins weren't.

 

Keep in mind I love animals and obviously the dolphin video was disturbing, but I just can't stand people that lament about such things in between bites of a humburger.

 

Pigs, sheep, cattle and to some extent chickens are only on this earth so they can be eaten, they would not be getting life in the first place were they not on this earth to be eaten, they are not pets they are not wild animals they are eating material.

Why are dogs seen as pets but pigs not?

It's only because of the way we've been brought up.

I read about this family who had a pet pig (a boar I think?) and it saved their lives, when there was a fire it kept banging on the door to wake them.

 

 

One of the most disgusting videos I have seen is of this cow that was thrown into a mincer alive. Can you imagine what that must've been like?

Pigs, sheep, cattle and to some extent chickens are only on this earth so they can be eaten, they would not be getting life in the first place were they not on this earth to be eaten, they are not pets they are not wild animals they are eating material.

 

Fair enough for a philosophical justification I suppose, but it's still killing animals, isn't it?

 

And anyway it doesn't work for rabbit, duck, turkey, most fish...

The difference is that a fish and a mammal are completely different animals (unlike someone pointed above that sharks and dolphins were extremely similar - just because of their exterior "fish" apperence), when in fact mammals have a brain much more developed the reptiles, fishes, and other inferior animals like insects.

 

You're right, I shouldnt have made that analogy... but still, it's not like most people have qualms about eating beef, pork, venison, lamb, etc.