whilst the measure may be a bit draconian ..... I for one would like the choice to be able to go out for an evening and not come home stinking of smoke.

 

...but that doesn't mean I agree with the blanket nature of the bans.

(but then again I still don't understand why anyone chooses to smoke ....)

Very much how I see it.

 

.... pubs are DRINKING houses, maybe the problem would be solved if there were specific pubs where smoking was allowed for those who want it.

I think so too. It's seems pubs have been slow to do that for fear of offending some. So now the government does it for everyone -_-

 

I absolutely love the smoking ban. I haven't seen any difference in the number of people frequenting my local over the past year but I don't doubt some of the more 'working man's ' pubs have been affected. But hey, I don't give a toss. I go out, I socialise and I don't get home smelling like a disgusting stale ashtray. If that's selfish, tough. :)

The strange thing is that why just ban them in public places? If the Government cared about the health of the public THAT much they'd ban them totally!

 

But of course they make too much money from taxes on them :Rolleys:

What a completely RIDICULOUS thing to say. You can;t ban something that MILLIONS of people are ADDICTED to. There are plenty of illegal drugs, yet there's still a HUGE market for them. It would just be the same for cigarettes. It would go "underground" and far more people would be getting them from abroard on day trips to Calais or whatever. They would lose so much money to the black market, it's a completly ridiculous thing yo say.

the compromise would be totally non-smoking bars, and smoking bars... that way, surely, people are free to choose? T

 

In my experience, non-smoking areas are always deserted in the bars I visit whilst the smoking areas are rammed....

 

As we've discussed before... will the non-smokers be so smug when their favourite bars, clubs and cafes shut down? Would they prefer that to visiting them and getting a whiff of smoke?

 

And don't forget - the tax revenue on cigarettes is colossal.... if folk DO quit and that revenue disappears - Greedy Gordon is going to want to get that loss back somehow..... you watch tax hikes and price jumps galore very soon.....

I absolutely love the smoking ban. I haven't seen any difference in the number of people frequenting my local over the past year but I don't doubt some of the more 'working man's ' pubs have been affected. But hey, I don't give a toss. I go out, I socialise and I don't get home smelling like a disgusting stale ashtray. If that's selfish, tough. :)

 

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Oh that's a very mature thing to say isn't it? Anyone who disagrees with anything on here is immediately insulted. Says it all really. :rolleyes:

Maybe if you'd had to sit at your father's hospital bed watching him suffer repeated heart attacks and have to undergo triple heart bypass surgery, caused by years of chain smoking I may add, you wouldn't be so keen on cigarettes either.

 

The 'children' are the idiots who don't accept the facts and continue to kill themselves.

One of the reasons for pushing through the ban on smoking in pubs etc in Scotland, is the appalling levels of deaths associated with smoking. Scotland has one of the highest smoke-related deaths in western Europe. The Government felt they had to do something to help tackle the problem.

 

However the irony of the situation is if the smokers don't want to stand outside, then they stay at home and smoke there. So their aim to reduce smoking has had no effect.

 

The pubs in general are doing less business, but some are doing better, mainly the ones that sell a lot of food. The ones that don't(well apart from pork scrathings :D ) are doing less well, but no pubs have closed in my home town in the last year. Long term I suppose some may close but then less pubs will have more punters so they will survive, its all down to supply and demand at the end of the day.

What a completely RIDICULOUS thing to say. You can;t ban something that MILLIONS of people are ADDICTED to. There are plenty of illegal drugs, yet there's still a HUGE market for them. It would just be the same for cigarettes. It would go "underground" and far more people would be getting them from abroard on day trips to Calais or whatever. They would lose so much money to the black market, it's a completly ridiculous thing yo say.

 

you are showing your ignorance here dude, you cant just go to calais to stock up on ciggys. i go regularly to calais for wine and they dont care about the ammount of wine you buy but are very strict on the tobacco.. you try smuggling extra ciggys past these professional bull$h!tsniffers !!!!

In my experience, non-smoking areas are always deserted in the bars I visit whilst the smoking areas are rammed....

 

not my experience m8..... far from it in fact... smokers are a minority who inflict their filth on the majority.. told you before, smokers can do wtf they want, where they want as long as IM not expected to share it with them! please understand, that i really object and am offended by having to inhale smokers smoke.

 

not my experience m8..... far from it in fact... smokers are a minority who inflict their filth on the majority.. told you before, smokers can do wtf they want, where they want as long as IM not expected to share it with them! please understand, that i really object and am offended by having to inhale smokers smoke.

 

Exactly!

 

Maybe if you'd had to sit at your father's hospital bed watching him suffer repeated heart attacks and have to undergo triple heart bypass surgery, caused by years of chain smoking I may add, you wouldn't be so keen on cigarettes either.

 

The 'children' are the idiots who don't accept the facts and continue to kill themselves.

 

I sat at my father's hospital bed watching him die of lung cancer..... may I add.... and maybe if your initial eply had been a little moe intelligent and less petulant, like a schoolkid sticking his bottom lip out and stamping his foot, you'd have gotten a decent reply.

 

btw...post 'removed'... by who?????

I sat at my father's hospital bed watching him die of lung cancer..... may I add.... and maybe if your initial eply had been a little moe intelligent and less petulant, like a schoolkid sticking his bottom lip out and stamping his foot, you'd have gotten a decent reply.

 

btw...post 'removed'... by who?????

 

Not me mate.... Must've been Rob....

 

not my experience m8..... far from it in fact... smokers are a minority who inflict their filth on the majority.. told you before, smokers can do wtf they want, where they want as long as IM not expected to share it with them! please understand, that i really object and am offended by having to inhale smokers smoke.

 

Christ, Rob... WHAT pubs do you GO to where smokers are a minority? :huh:

 

I've travelled the length and breadth of this country... and in every single bar and club... non-smokers, right up to now, are most certainly in the minority. these smug, vocal non-smokers shout the loudest - but very few of them actually frequent bars.....

 

btw...there was a post of mine apparently 'removed' further up - I don't think you'd do such a crappy thing... can you find out who did it. And more to the point - why? I'm hopping mad about it.

I absolutely love the smoking ban. I haven't seen any difference in the number of people frequenting my local over the past year but I don't doubt some of the more 'working man's ' pubs have been affected. But hey, I don't give a toss. I go out, I socialise and I don't get home smelling like a disgusting stale ashtray. If that's selfish, tough. :)

 

here it is again, then...

 

"spoken like a true........ child"

I sat at my father's hospital bed watching him die of lung cancer..... may I add.... and maybe if your initial eply had been a little moe intelligent and less petulant, like a schoolkid sticking his bottom lip out and stamping his foot, you'd have gotten a decent reply.

 

btw...post 'removed'... by who?????

 

Please do not patronise me. You don't intimidate me one bit. Couldn't help but notice the last person you called a 'child' on here was also a female Robbie fan. Haven't seen you call male posters on here 'a child'. Sorry didn't release you were the 'Intelligent Posts' policeman of Buzzjack. I'll try to improve. :)

 

Please do not patronise me. You don't intimidate me one bit. Couldn't help but notice the last person you called a 'child' on here was also a female Robbie fan. Haven't seen you call male posters on here 'a child'. Sorry didn't release you were the 'Intelligent Posts' policeman of Buzzjack. I'll try to improve. :)

 

I don't descriminate on gender... or the fact that you're deaf.

 

I'll keep watch on your improvement.

 

Thank you.

I'm so pleased. Thank you so much. :)

Maybe if you'd had to sit at your father's hospital bed watching him suffer repeated heart attacks and have to undergo triple heart bypass surgery, caused by years of chain smoking I may add, you wouldn't be so keen on cigarettes either.

 

The 'children' are the idiots who don't accept the facts and continue to kill themselves.

 

My grandfather died because of lung cancer.... I personally vowed never to take up smoking in the way that he did, although I do occasionally lapse when out with mates, because they offer.... BUT, I dont feel I have any pious, self-righteous right to tell a mature adult that they cannot smoke in an adult environment like a pub or club just "because my clothes and hair smell a bit"... If your clothes smell, wash 'em, if your hair smells, have a bloody shower ffs.... People should not be dictated to by the State in what they can do in their own bloody free leisure time, simple as.... People work hard all week, pay their fukkin' taxes, and for what..? Just so some prick in Westminster can take it upon themselves to wag their finger like Mary fukkin' Poppins and say "Now then children, you have to do what we say.." Fukk off......!! <_< And, here's the best bit, the smoking ban doesn't effect their cosy little retreat in the fukkin' House of Commons bar does it...? Worked in a nice little exclusion for themselves so they can smoke their big fat Cuban cigars..... <_< Yeah, "Do as we say, not as we do"... And they wonder why no one has any respect for them....

 

Hypocritical b/astards, every single fukkin' one of them....

 

You know, I don't really care if completely smoking and completely non-smoking pubs were set up. People who strongly objected to inhaling cigarette smoke (as I do) could choose to socialise in the non-smoking ones and those who want to smoke can go elsewhere. Fine. And it's not just the smell. I get streaming eyes too. I can't breathe properly. I have rights as an individual as well. The right to breathe clean air when I go out at night. Not to mention passive smoking which I'm guessing you don't believe is real. But I do believe it is real. And it's my right to hold that belief just as it's your right not to.

 

And yes, I do agree with the House of Commons situation. The ban should apply equally to them (if indeed it's the same legislation that applies to Scotland whereby smoking in all enclosed spaces is prohibited).