Yeah, wouldn´t it be so much nicer if they just told us what we want to hear...

 

I take it that was sarcasm....

 

So, where's the evidence that we're "born a bunch of sinners" then....? CHRIST man, think for your bloody SELF!!!!! This is what has always pissed me off about you religious types, your total inability to be critical of your religion and just take all the sh!te it spouts at face value without once ever thinking "Oh, come ON......". "Virgin Births"??? "Adam and Eve"??? :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

 

We were all born out of an ACT OF LOVE by our parents..... Well, at least I KNOW I WAS in any case..... Sinful??? Since when has something as beautiful and natural as sex between two people who love one another "sinful", even if the love only lasted for one or two nights..? Absolute fukkin' BOLLOCKS!!!! :angry:

 

This whole concept of "original sin" did not come from God or Jesus... It came from the FUKKIN' CATHOLIC CHURCH..... :angry: :angry: :angry:

but the church does tell you what you want to hear, but you have to conform on your knees to get it!

 

Amen to that brother....

 

100% correct.. This is where ALL religions want us, without exception, on our knees, kowtowing, brainwashed, being little better than slaves, doing what we're told.... Fukk that..... <_<

 

Religion is nothing to do with "god", nature or spirituality.... It's control... "The Opiate of the masses" as Marx said... He was never more right...

 

I believe even Jesus is quoted as saying words to the effect that "the kingdom of God is in us". So, do we even NEED organized religion...??? Do we fukk... So, all you Christians out there who believe this stuff are just falling for the biggest con trick in history...

LMAO. You come with a speech of freethinking and all of that and come telling me what I should and what I should not believe. A bit contraditorty, isn´t it? I am free to think the way I want as long as it´s in agreement with you. If I voluntarily chose to have a religion then it´s not real freethinking because religion is one of the things that freethinkers are not free to follow... Maybe you´ll come up with a list of things that are acceptable for freethinkers, an index???

LMAO. You come with a speech of freethinking and all of that and come telling me what I should and what I should not believe. A bit contraditorty, isn´t it? I am free to think the way I want as long as it´s in agreement with you. If I voluntarily chose to have a religion then it´s not real freethinking because religion is one of the things that freethinkers are not free to follow... Maybe you´ll come up with a list of things that are acceptable for freethinkers, an index???

 

 

the terms 'freethinking' and 'religion' are incompatable, to follow any religion you 'give yourself' over to 'god' and follow the doctrine laid down in some book... that is not 'free thinking' m8.

 

Amen to that brother....

 

100% correct.. This is where ALL religions want us, without exception, on our knees, kowtowing, brainwashed, being little better than slaves, doing what we're told.... Fukk that..... <_<

 

Religion is nothing to do with "god", nature or spirituality.... It's control... "The Opiate of the masses" as Marx said... He was never more right...

 

I believe even Jesus is quoted as saying words to the effect that "the kingdom of God is in us". So, do we even NEED organized religion...??? Do we fukk... So, all you Christians out there who believe this stuff are just falling for the biggest con trick in history...

 

absolutely 100% correct, well said.

 

when you think about it, religion is evil. it subjegates the human into performing like a robot, doing what you are told, thinking like you are being told to think. that is not what being a human being is about, if god wanted robots then he could have created robots... free will?... why give you free will to be an all performing, free thinking, expressive, creative, INDIVIDUAL if he wants you to give it up?... it dont add up!

 

whoever/whatever is behind mans existance did not want uniformity, but individuality, what the churches do is remove that, it takes away your own responsability for your own actions, 'it was satan' <_<, religion de-humanises the human.... that is un-natural, that is evil.

the terms 'freethinking' and 'religion' are incompatable, to follow any religion you 'give yourself' over to 'god' and follow the doctrine laid down in some book... that is not 'free thinking' m8.

 

That is true only if you consider religion as sit down in a church chair every sunday, listen to what they preach and obey. The biggest opposer of religion in this sense of the word was Jesus himself... I´m not following blindly what a preacher or a book tells me to do. Intelligent people can believe too. I don´t give a damn what churches and preachers consider wrong or right.

 

The biggest mistake of organized churches is the fact they wanted for years to impose their doctrine as an universal religion. Christianity was never meant to be something universal. It all became a disaster when it was decreted official state religion in the roman empire, then trough the whole medieval ages, and then the lutheran kingdomns, and the royal family church in Britain. How come if you read the gospels the followers of Christ were supposed to be a few chosen, and then someone makes it a state religion and submit 100% of the population as "christian". Christianity was always supposed to be a small sect of people who voluntarily join, not an imperial religion for the masses.

Which is why I believe that Christianity is wholly ignorant....

 

 

I do think that you have this twisted stereotype on religion personally, and I mean no offence by saying that.

 

But not all Christians are like you think...

That is true only if you consider religion as sit down in a church chair every sunday, listen to what they preach and obey. The biggest opposer of religion in this sense of the word was Jesus himself... I´m not following blindly what a preacher or a book tells me to do. Intelligent people can believe too. I don´t give a damn what churches and preachers consider wrong or right.

 

The biggest mistake of organized churches is the fact they wanted for years to impose their doctrine as an universal religion. Christianity was never meant to be something universal. It all became a disaster when it was decreted official state religion in the roman empire, then trough the whole medieval ages, and then the lutheran kingdomns, and the royal family church in Britain. How come if you read the gospels the followers of Christ were supposed to be a few chosen, and then someone makes it a state religion and submit 100% of the population as "christian". Christianity was always supposed to be a small sect of people who voluntarily join, not an imperial religion for the masses.

 

 

thats not actually true is it, didnt christ supposed to have died for everyone? wasnt he supposed to be redeeming the whole human race not just a select few?

 

and i still disagree, if you subscribe to any doctrine then you are surrendering your own ideas/thoughts and are following someone elses. free thinking means making up your own mind on any given subject after considering all the basic facts surrounding it. religion only has room for one train of thought, theres.

Jesus Christ DID live (scientific fact) and while I don't believe he was the son of god or whatever, if the bible is true about him, he did have some very powerful things to say. He taught people to be tolerant, accepting, loving and embracing of EVERYONE living on this earth. He denounced war and poverty. He was humble and forgiving. If people lived like that today, the world would be a much better place. Sad that so many awful things can be said (all of them true) about the religion based upon his life.

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Jesus Christ DID live (scientific fact) and while I don't believe he was the son of god or whatever, if the bible is true about him, he did have some very powerful things to say. He taught people to be tolerant, accepting, loving and embracing of EVERYONE living on this earth. He denounced war and poverty. He was humble and forgiving. If people lived like that today, the world would be a much better place. Sad that so many awful things can be said (all of them true) about the religion based upon his life.

 

I can certainly accept that a person calling themselves 'Jesus' did exist, I can accept that they were a charismatic religious leader who stood up against Roman oppression, I can accept the Romans then had this man executed as he was a threat to their authority, and yes, I DO believe that he got married and sired a progeny (for a man to do otherwise in those times would be totally unthinkable, religious leader or not..).... What I do have a problem with is the whole "son of God" rubbish, the "miracles", the "resurrection".... I reckon all that stuff was just used by his followers to 'big him up' and inspire people... Anyone ever noticed that The Bible actually has no "Gospel According to Jesus"... Highly suspicious if you ask me.... Mind you, The Bible as we know it these days is an edited version of the original text, edited to suit the interests the big churches and Imperialist warlords, so a gospel by Jesus was more than likely removed as it probably said things that these people did not like very much... So, how can anyone actually trust anything The Bible says..?

 

thats not actually true is it, didnt christ supposed to have died for everyone? wasnt he supposed to be redeeming the whole human race not just a select few?

Not acording to calvinism, which was one of the bases of the way of thinking of modern ocident.

 

and i still disagree, if you subscribe to any doctrine then you are surrendering your own ideas/thoughts and are following someone elses. free thinking means making up your own mind on any given subject after considering all the basic facts surrounding it. religion only has room for one train of thought, theres.

It´s impossible not to subscribe to any doctrine, religious, political, ideologies, etc... christianity, marxism, evolutionism, leftism, etc etc. Just because someone choses to embrace christianity doesn´t mean this person is not having its own ideas, they made up their own mind also.

 

It´s impossible not to subscribe to any doctrine, religious, political, ideologies, etc... christianity, marxism, evolutionism, leftism, etc etc. Just because someone choses to embrace christianity doesn´t mean this person is not having its own ideas, they made up their own mind also.

 

All of those ideologies and theories, bar Christianity (and Stalinist Communism), though are a lot more open to change, critical discourse or development of ideas, and are far more fluid... Religions are way too rigid and fixed, and refuse to move with the times and people's changing attitudes (eg, Catholic Church's continued refusal to accept Birth Control). Papal infallibility..?? Where here is there any openness to criticism or discourse...? It's as bad as the Ayatollahs and Mullahs if you ask me...

I know it´s scientifically absurd for someone to be born of a virgin, to multiply fish and bread, walk on water, etc. But then again it sounds absurd that we are in an universe with matter, time, energy, coming from nowhere. The world is made of absurds, Jesus could not have scientifically materialized fishes, as nobody we know could scientifically make matter and energy out of nothing, yet matter is here to testify its existence. The universe is a big absurd, and the only proof of its existence is its existence itself. But then, this was not supposed to be believed by everyone. If the Bible says people who saw these miracles and lived among his disciples have doubted, then why should people who live 2 thousand years latter and just heard the story believe it? It´s absurd. If 90% of the people who were eye witness doubted, then why should 100% of the people who just heard the story be actual believers...

All of those ideologies and theories, bar Christianity (and Stalinist Communism), though are a lot more open to change, critical discourse or development of ideas, and are far more fluid... Religions are way too rigid and fixed. Papal infallibility..?? Where here is there any openness to criticism or discourse...? It's as bad as the Ayatollahs and Mullahs if you ask me...

 

Open to change??? How can an ideology that completely discards the existence of God be considered open to change? Every ideology must have its dogmas. Imagine if the Bible said "in the begining God MUST have created the world...", it would be destined to fail. Papal infallibility is not a christian dogma, it´s something for catholics only, and then again it´s open to loads of different interpretation. If there wasn´t any flexibility on christianity then there wouldn´t be so many opposed ways of thinking in christianity history. Even today there are christians who will say that an homossexual is destined to hell, while there are churches who acept gays married as ministers... There are churches who don´t acept woman to talk, and there are others where they can be ministers or bishops... In finland there is a lutheran bishop that is a lesbian. So what? I´d say it´s much more flexible then other doctrines.

Jesus Christ DID live (scientific fact) and while I don't believe he was the son of god or whatever, if the bible is true about him, he did have some very powerful things to say. He taught people to be tolerant, accepting, loving and embracing of EVERYONE living on this earth. He denounced war and poverty. He was humble and forgiving. If people lived like that today, the world would be a much better place. Sad that so many awful things can be said (all of them true) about the religion based upon his life.

 

 

there is NOT one shred of scientific evidence that he existed, the notion seems to be based on one of several nebulous characters around at the time. he FAILED to teach tollerance, loving, embracing besides these traits were around in many civilisations long before this jesus myth was born!

 

even the gospels that were written years after the event (that doesnt figure) plus other writings (which dont support the myth so were omitted from the bible) cant agree about him.

there is NOT one shred of scientific evidence that he existed, the notion seems to be based on one of several nebulous characters around at the time. he FAILED to teach tollerance, loving, embracing besides these traits were around in many civilisations long before this jesus myth was born!

 

even the gospels that were written years after the event (that doesnt figure) plus other writings (which dont support the myth so were omitted from the bible) cant agree about him.

 

There is not one shred of scientific evidence any single person lived 2000 years ago. How would we go about using science to prove that? We have to go by history and despite what the bible says about miracles and mythical floods and all of that, it is widely considered by historians to be a credible source on which to make the claim a historical figure Jesus Christ did exist. Remember he is spoken about in many different gospels written by different people at different time periods, many of them not in the Bible. Nebulous characters, perhaps, but there is power in the shear number of sources. There are other non-Christian sources that affirm he existed, though I don't quite remember specifically what they were- Greek or Roman sources, I imagine. Obviously none of them are in total agreement.

 

I do not believe that Christ was the son of god or any of that but it's rather silly to call his entire existence a myth. And it goes against the general historical consensus.

I don´t care. Whatever they find scientific proof or not, what he said was strong and that´s why it got so big. It is a very strong message.

I don´t care. Whatever they find scientific proof or not, what he said was strong and that´s why it got so big. It is a very strong message.

 

i agree

I don´t care. Whatever they find scientific proof or not, what he said was strong and that´s why it got so big. It is a very strong message.

 

Yes, the original message was all well and good I suppose, shame it's been totally perverted by two thousand years of organised religion.....

 

And what's with the Crucifixes anyway.... As Bill Hicks so rightly pointed out "You think Jesus ever wants to see another fukkin' cross...??" :lol: :lol: Seriously though, wasn't the original symbol of Christianity the fish...?

 

It would be amusing to see all those "devil worshippers" invert the sign of the fish.... :lol: :lol:

so im a satanist???