Anyone seen the Sky interview with Gerry and Kate? He said leaving the kids was no different to "having a meal in your garden" Sorry but it's nothing like that. :( What planet are those two on? Also "the nightmare could have been three times worse had all three been taken"

Edited May 25, 200718 yr by coolchris

Wow, he sounds gutten then.

what an idiot. :coffee:

Apparently hes going to be on BBC at half past.

Actually, I think having her "spirited away" in a foreign country is in many ways a better plan and easier to execute... Personally, if I was of the mind to do something like that, it would be as far as possible from my own backyard where everyone knew me....

 

And, why is it just so unbelievable that these two might have done something like this, there really are just so many things not right about this whole thing... Also, have the police come up with any other logical answers... Every other lead they've been pursuing seems to be drawing a blank... Maybe it's time for them to think a little bit "out of the box" here....

 

but its pretty much nonsense.... it isnt 1 deranged parent, there two of them who seem to be 'normal'...

 

why?..... i see no motive.... it dont add up.

black kids dont get the media coverage?...

 

not quite so

 

remember that little black african girl who was sent to live here with her aunt, uncle?... they beat her and kept her naked in a bath living in her own excrement. them bstrds got jailed. there was a big coverage of this.

black kids dont get the media coverage?...

 

not quite so

 

remember that little black african girl who was sent to live here with her aunt, uncle?... they beat her and kept her naked in a bath living in her own excrement. them bstrds got jailed. there was a big coverage of this.

 

Yeah and Steven Lawrence and Damiola Taylor and so on and a couple of others but a black missing kid or suspected abducted black kid would not tug at the newspaper editors emotional heartstrings and result in loads of coverage about the abduction

 

If Madelaine name was Madeleine Ubogu and she was a black girl with curly hair from Brixton her abduction in Portugal would have got a couple of paragraphs on Page 14 of the tabloids and be forgotten about in a day or 2 I have no doubt, no websites, no fighting fund running into millions and so on

Edited May 25, 200718 yr by Vic Vega

Yeah and Steven Lawrence and Damiola Taylor and so on and a couple of others but a black missing kid or suspected abducted black kid would not tug at the newspaper editors emotional heartstrings and result in loads of coverage about the abduction

 

If Madelaine name was Madeleine Ubogu and she was a black girl with curly hair from Brixton her abduction in Portugal would have got a couple of paragraphs on Page 14 of the tabloids and be forgotten about in a day or 2 I have no doubt, no websites, no fighting fund running into millions and so on

 

 

i dissagree... i think they probably would.

Yeah and Steven Lawrence and Damiola Taylor and so on and a couple of others but a black missing kid or suspected abducted black kid would not tug at the newspaper editors emotional heartstrings and result in loads of coverage about the abduction

 

If Madelaine name was Madeleine Ubogu and she was a black girl with curly hair from Brixton her abduction in Portugal would have got a couple of paragraphs on Page 14 of the tabloids and be forgotten about in a day or 2 I have no doubt, no websites, no fighting fund running into millions and so on

 

 

personally I think it has more to do with a VERY media savvy extended family.

 

I have seen grandparents and uncle seeking interviews

 

I think their actions are keeping this in the press - interviews - those little walks to press carrying the child's toy.

 

The extended family are working hard to keep this in the public eye

but its pretty much nonsense.... it isnt 1 deranged parent, there two of them who seem to be 'normal'...

 

why?..... i see no motive.... it dont add up.

 

People don't necessarily need a motive though mate.... What was the "motive" of the scumbag aunt and uncle to batter little Victoria Climbie to death...? What was the motive of that mother who killed her kids and put the blame on a black guy.... Very cold-blooded and calculated that was, and almost entirely devoid of motive... Some people are just totally fukked in the head but are good at disguising it.... It's how many serial killers manage to operate undetected for years mate.... They only caught the likes of Dennis Nielsen, Jeffrey Dahmer and Ted Bundy through sheer luck more than any great building up of evidence....

 

Guys I think it's a bit over the top to say the parents somehow killed their own daughter. I don't think it was right that they left the children alone in the apartment, it was irresponsible but it's quite saddening to read in this thread how some of you are condemning them as 'murderers' in a way.

 

Why if they were going to do that would they create so much media exposure, that sets them up to be caught out every step of the way. Also why kill the daughter they paid so much to have using IVF. It just doesn't make sense. I understand some people don't need a motive and are in a psychotic state in which they carry out reckless and sick crimes but these people are just parents, all they want is to have their daughter back safe.

Guys I think it's a bit over the top to say the parents somehow killed their own daughter. I don't think it was right that they left the children alone in the apartment, it was irresponsible but it's quite saddening to read in this thread how some of you are condemning them as 'murderers' in a way.

 

Why if they were going to do that would they create so much media exposure, that sets them up to be caught out every step of the way. Also why kill the daughter they paid so much to have using IVF. It just doesn't make sense. I understand some people don't need a motive and are in a psychotic state in which they carry out reckless and sick crimes but these people are just parents, all they want is to have their daughter back safe.

 

Listen, believe it or not, I actually hope that I aint right.... But let's face it, the cops are drawing blanks in their other enquiries, and it's the fact that people are just refusing to even see it as a possiblity when there are plenty of examples to the contrary is just plain stupid... And the merest criticism of these people is being met with outright hostility in many quarters... Okay, so maybe they aint murderers but what they definitely are, are totally neglectful, bad parents... They set up the situation for whatever happened TO happen, however unwittingly, by the enormously stupid actions they took... Something they're gonna have to live with.... Criticism on that score is, I feel, totally warranted...

 

Just proves the truth that the Tabloids seem unwilling to grasp - that it's by no means working class, single parents that are the problem, quite often bad parenting comes from seemingly "respectable" middle-class people.....

I haven't claimed they are murderers Natalie but I think that all possibilities should be looked at and debated and that there are no sacred cows in this case.

 

In The Long Good Friday when Harold Shand was seeking down who was killing his henchmen his #2 Razors said to him "Well we have checked out all the usual Harold" to which point Harold said "Well about time we started checking out the unusual then ain't it ??" and I see a parallel here, every theory and piece of information has been checked out by the Portuguese police so maybe it is time they started looking at theories they had not previously considered and this IS one of them.

the oint is though that whilst i agree that one derranged oarent is possible of killing a kid, i cant see BOTH being involved... its possible, but imho HIGHLY unlikely.

the oint is though that whilst i agree that one derranged oarent is possible of killing a kid, i cant see BOTH being involved... its possible, but imho HIGHLY unlikely.

 

Premeditated murder sounds unlikely but it is not impossible that one of them went back to check on Madeleine and she was crying and wouldn't shut up or bullying her brother or whatever and the parent in the heat of the moment lost his or her rag and lashed out causing Madeleine to fall and fatally bang her head or something, pre meditated murder seems unlikely to me but something just does not feel right about the case

 

The McCann's media friendliness and PR skills make them untouchable, the ultimate smokescreen, just about every day they are giving interviews or strolling hand in hand along the beach or whatever and the tabloids lap it up, this could possible be the best diversion tactic in the history of crime

 

And also why did they say they kept looking in through the window every half an hour while at the same time later admitting there had not been a break in but that they had left the front door open ?? surely they would have gone through the front door to check on the kids ? there does seem to be a few inconsistencies in their stories

Premeditated murder sounds unlikely but it is not impossible that one of them went back to check on Madeleine and she was crying and wouldn't shut up or bullying her brother or whatever and the parent in the heat of the moment lost his or her rag and lashed out causing Madeleine to fall and fatally bang her head or something, pre meditated murder seems unlikely to me but something just does not feel right about the case

But there are just too many implausabilities in that theory, like I said before. There just isn't enough time in the world for it to have all happened, and it STILL wouldn't explain why the body still hasn't been discovered.

Plus, surely if they had done it, they would have jumped on their chance for a scapegoat. But no, when Robert Murat was named a suspect, they actually told the media not to jump to conclusions about him.

-It would only have taken 2 mins to lash out and accidentally cause a death

-They may have dressed in very dark clothes so as not to be seen and dragged her somewhere close by but hidden, and then disposed of her later.

-Of course they will have said not to jump to conclusions, so as not to look like they are shifting the blame.

sorry but if you DID lash out and accidentally knocked the kids harder then expected you wouldnt be cool, you wouldnt 'get rid' of the evidence, youd call the hospital and try to save its life!.... thats what a parent would do.

 

im 99% certain that the parents had nothing at all to do with killing her... and 95% certain that they had nothing at all to do with it.

 

ok it is possible... but very very highly unlikely.

I agree its unlikely, but it has to be considered.

sorry but if you DID lash out and accidentally knocked the kids harder then expected you wouldnt be cool, you wouldnt 'get rid' of the evidence, youd call the hospital and try to save its life!.... thats what a parent would do.

 

im 99% certain that the parents had nothing at all to do with killing her... and 95% certain that they had nothing at all to do with it.

 

ok it is possible... but very very highly unlikely.

 

I'm a lot less sure about it than you are mate... I would say it's more 75% unlikely that there is no actual involvement on their part....

 

One thing I am certain about though - it's 100% BAD PARENTING that caused this whole thing to happen in the first place.... Hiring one of the resort babysitters means none of this would've happened in the first place, simple as.... I think we should stop kissing their arses and be a LOT more critical of these two idiots.... <_< And, frankly if we were talking about an unemployed single mother leaving their kids on their own at home while going out for a night out, the Tabloids most definitely WOULD be..... <_<

 

Let's face it, if this had happened on an Estate in Hackney or the Mile End, the sodding Social Workers would be descending like a plague of fukkin' LOCUSTS to grab the other two kids and put them into care....