Hello,

It seems that many in the UK are in two 'Camps'

on this matter. Those who think that the Parents

deserve all our sympathy, & those who feel that

they are irresponsible, & who point out that all previous

missing UK Children have not had this attention, & Media

overkill.

 

I have noticed that many Tabloids go for the sympathy for

the Parents angle - and anyone who dares to criticise the

Parents are dismissed as not very nice, or callous, & so

on. Basically, you are either supposed to want to comfort

Madeleine's Parents, or you are regarded as a 'Low Life', by

large sections of the UK Press.

 

Fiona Phillips, (GMTV), has defended the Parents several

times in her 'Daily Mirror' Column. She got a lot of letters

& E-mails telling her that she was wrong, & that the McCann

Parents are stupid, for leaving their 3 children alone etc.

 

Fiona was astonished by the criticism, & now she has announced

in her Column, that she wants the Anti McCann's to stop contacting

her. She said it will do nothing to bring Madeleine back, so she no

longer wants critical E-mails etc. to be sent to her.

 

Of course, it won't stop her carrying on airing her own views - that

the Parents deserve all our support, & that anyone who thinks

otherwise is a scumbag. Fiona forgets that supporting the Parents,

to the high Heavens, in her Column, will not bring Madeleine back,

either. She may as well stop doing that - she is being hypocritical.

 

I hope that Madeleine is found. However, there are a scary number

of people who have many misconceptions about this Case. There is

the 'one mistake' argument. That Madeleine's Parents made that

'one mistake', by leaving the 3 children alone that Night, & we must

not blame them for that. It wasn't 'one mistake', though. It is clear

to anyone who has followed it carefully, that they went out regularly

to the local Bar - to eat - & left the Children in bed. They did not just

it on that one night. So, this, 'one mistake', defense is garbage -

they made the 'mistake' Night after Night, & paid for it in the end.

(But, not as much as poor Madeleine).

 

Now, I don't know how much truth there is in the other matters, but

it is being said that the photo, (Aerial), of the Holiday Complex, which

the Press say showed the McCann Apartment, & the Tapas Bar, does

not show the Bar at all. The Press had an arrow pointing towards the

Bar - to 'prove' that the McCanns were right, when they said they

could see their Apartment from the Bar. Some people are saying that

the Press got it wrong - that they have the arrow pointing at the wrong

building. That the Tapas Bar is the building next to it - and you CAN'T see

the McCann Apartment from the Tapas Bar, at all.....

 

I also hear - don't know if it is true or not - that Waiters in the Bar have

said that the McCann Parents did not leave their table all Evening - there

was no 'checking on the children every half an hour' - which is one of the

defenses that the Parents have come up with for leaving their 3 children.

They have suggested it was safe, as they went to check on them regularly.

Whether they did so or not, is irrelevent as regards what happened -

it clearly was not safe, at all.....

 

There also seem to be inconsistences between when the Parents say they

found the child missing, & when they called the Police. Also, different times,

as regards how often they claim they checked on their children.

 

By the way, as so many such crimes end up being perpetrated by members

of a child's Family, even the UK Police would have had the Parents under

suspicion. I read that the FBI have found that around 92% of cases where a

child is harmed or abducted at 'Home', are actually the 'work' of an Adult in

that same Family. Yet, if anyone dares to suggest this - in any way - about

the McCanns, the UK Press become outraged, as if it is the most unusual,

wicked, & unheard of accusation in History!

 

I haven't a clue what the truth of the matter is, but pretending that the Parents

are whiter than white Saints, is helping no one - and it just shows that those who

think it is wrong to question the Parent's behaviour, have no idea of Criminal

History whatsoever - so they get angry at anyone who condemns the Parents,

or questions their 'Story'.

 

It all reminds me - eerily - of the peculier JonBenet Ramsey Case, in Boulder,

Colorado, (USA), in December 1996. It was never solved, but it is a most

weird Case, & it can be found on Wikipedia & so on. Many felt that her Parents

were involved, but nothing was ever proved. It is the only case in Criminal History

where the 'Kidnap Victim', & her body, were found at the same Crime Scene.

Her Parents started a Team Ramsey. Madeleine's Parents have Team McCann.

 

http://www.geocities.com/Area51/nebula/9337/jonbenet.html

 

I hope that one day the truth of what has happened to Madeleine comes out, &

that whoever is responsible pays a very heavy price - whoever it is.....

Edited June 19, 200718 yr by zeus555

the Press would be in like a shot to criticise 'Dole Scrounger' single parents who neglect their kids..),

And would that be right? For people already going through emotional hell to have their problems compounded by the whole country hating them?

I don't think they're good parents necessarily. I've got no idea if they are because all I and everyone else has to base a decision on is one incident. To my and everyone else's knowledge, they made one mistake (admittedly a huge and incredibly stupid one) but that doesn't necessarily make them total monsters and I certianly don't think it's wrong of me to feel sympathy for people who have lost a child...

The McCann's did not make 'one mistake. They left those Children

alone on several evenings - they have admitted it. They regulary

went to the Tapas Bar, & left their 3 small Children alone. That is not

'one mistake' - it is making the same one over & over. They were in

the Tapas Bar with the 'Group' that they were with - and it was beyond

the sense of any of them, for one of them to skip the Meal, & to watch

over the Children! It was neglectful, & stupid.

 

Basically, they did not want to pay for the Child Minding Service

at the Complex, so they thought it better to leave the Children alone.

 

Even if we believe that they checked on them, 'every half an hour',

a lot can happen to little Children in that time - choking, waking up &

being terrified, that they are alone, or abduction. One of the Children

could have been taken ill too.

 

There seems to be confusion about the door to the Apartment too - did

the Parents leave it open, or was it locked? I can never quite grasp that

part of the 'Story', as I have heard it said that BOTH were the case -

but that cannot be. The door was either locked or unlocked - open or

shut - it cannot be all of them. IF the door was left open, then one of

the Children could have woken up & walked out of the Apartment.

 

Whilst abduction was the least likely thing to happen, it was actually

the scenario in this case.

 

Whether anyone thinks the Parents should be 'hated' or not, a precedent

has been set now. We will see if GMTV, 'The Sun', Gordon Brown, & so on

are as concerned about future Missing Children as they have been about

Madeleine. Another precedent is that as 2 Middle Class Doctors have

been extremely stupid - to the point of Child Neglect - we can expect the

same:, 'Don't blame the Parents' attitude from the UK Media, the next time

a Single Mum goes out & leaves her Kids alone - right?

 

Sadly, I think that we will all find out that the McCann's have been elevated

to a status, that they do not deserve. At least 3 people are to blame for their

Daughter being abducted - & her Parents are 2 of them. It is true. Had

they spent some cash on Child Minding, it would not have happened.

Had they not been in the Tapas Bar, & left their Kids in bed, it would not

have happened. They made it possible for Madeleine to be taken.

 

This, 'Don't blame the Parents', idea is nonsense - their Daughter has been

grabbed by God knows who, & they made it easy for him - or them - to do

it. They are silly, ridiculous idiots - both are Doctors, both are intelligent, &

neither have an ounce of common sense!

 

I read that one Woman saw 3 Boys - aged about 6 - discussing the

case, & one said that Madeleine's Parents were 'bad' - because they

did not look after her on the Night she was taken. A 6 year old has

more common sense than those moronic Parents!

Edited June 19, 200718 yr by zeus555

And would that be right? For people already going through emotional hell to have their problems compounded by the whole country hating them?

I don't think they're good parents necessarily. I've got no idea if they are because all I and everyone else has to base a decision on is one incident. To my and everyone else's knowledge, they made one mistake (admittedly a huge and incredibly stupid one) but that doesn't necessarily make them total monsters and I certianly don't think it's wrong of me to feel sympathy for people who have lost a child...

 

Jesus Christ Danny, just how many fukkin' times do you actually need it drummed into your head both by myself and Zeus that the McCann's made considerably MORE than just the "one mistake"...... Seems to me that you and the likes of that stupid cow on GMTV just aint getting it when it's pointed out to you in a reasonable manner.... You're clearly not taking a blind bit of notice of the considerable amount of facts presented to you from Zeus, myself and other posters on here.....

 

Bottom line - MY sympathy is with Maddie, 100 fukkin' per cent, NOT with her stupid fukkin' neglectful, BAD parents....... Them, I do not give a sh!t about frankly..... And I would really love to see them brought up on child neglect charges and the other kids be taken off them by social services and brought up by the grandparents, which is EXACTLY WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF THIS WERE A SINGLE MUM ON AN ESTATE DOING EXACTLY THE SAME SH!T THESE TWO DID.... These two c/unts do NOT deserve to have children, simple as......

The McCann's did not make 'one mistake. They left those Children

alone on several evenings - they have admitted it. They regulary

went to the Tapas Bar, & left their 3 small Children alone. That is not

'one mistake' - it is making the same one over & over. They were in

the Tapas Bar with the 'Group' that they were with - and it was beyond

the sense of any of them, for one of them to skip the Meal, & to watch

over the Children! It was neglectful, & stupid.

 

Basically, they did not want to pay for the Child Minding Service

at the Complex, so they thought it better to leave the Children alone.

 

Even if we believe that they checked on them, 'every half an hour',

a lot can happen to little Children in that time - choking, waking up &

being terrified, that they are alone, or abduction. One of the Children

could have been taken ill too.

 

There seems to be confusion about the door to the Apartment too - did

the Parents leave it open, or was it locked? I can never quite grasp that

part of the 'Story', as I have heard it said that BOTH were the case -

but that cannot be. The door was either locked or unlocked - open or

shut - it cannot be all of them. IF the door was left open, then one of

the Children could have woken up & walked out of the Apartment.

 

Whilst abduction was the least likely thing to happen, it was actually

the scenario in this case.

 

Whether anyone thinks the Parents should be 'hated' or not, a precedent

has been set now. We will see if GMTV, 'The Sun', Gordon Brown, & so on

are as concerned about future Missing Children as they have been about

Madeleine. Another precedent is that as 2 Middle Class Doctors have

been extremely stupid - to the point of Child Neglect - we can expect the

same:, 'Don't blame the Parents' attitude from the UK Media, the next time

a Single Mum goes out & leaves her Kids alone - right?

 

Sadly, I think that we will all find out that the McCann's have been elevated

to a status, that they do not deserve. At least 3 people are to blame for their

Daughter being abducted - & her Parents are 2 of them. It is true. Had

they spent some cash on Child Minding, it would not have happened.

Had they not been in the Tapas Bar, & left their Kids in bed, it would not

have happened. They made it possible for Madeleine to be taken.

 

This, 'Don't blame the Parents', idea is nonsense - their Daughter has been

grabbed by God knows who, & they made it easy for him - or them - to do

it. They are silly, ridiculous idiots - both are Doctors, both are intelligent, &

neither have an ounce of common sense!

 

I read that one Woman saw 3 Boys - aged about 6 - discussing the

case, & one said that Madeleine's Parents were 'bad' - because they

did not look after her on the Night she was taken. A 6 year old has

more common sense than those moronic Parents!

 

Hear Hear Zeus.... Another brilliant post, as always..... I reckon you're gonna be up for Poster of the Year award if you continue in this style.....

 

And you are quite correct, it was their actions that made it easy for any predatory paedophile in the area to come in and snatch her... All anyone would have to do is to watch them for a couple of days, get down their patterns of behaviour.... These idiots almost gift-wrapped that poor girl for any p**** out there........

I would lay odds that in the next couple of months a parent will leave their kids alone and they will be up in court.

 

Probably cause they live on a council estate.

I would lay odds that in the next couple of months a parent will leave their kids alone and they will be up in court.

 

Probably cause they live on a council estate.

 

Of course they will Bri.... You mark my words, these hypocrites who are kissing the arses of the McCann's will be the same muthafukkers who are in there like a shot to vilify single parents should a similar thing happen on a Council Estate in this country.....

Jesus Christ Danny, just how many fukkin' times do you actually need it drummed into your head both by myself and Zeus that the McCann's made considerably MORE than just the "one mistake"......

IF they did repeatedly leave them (and I don't think that's actually been confirmed anywhere but whatever) then it's the same one mistake, albeit a repeated one. But like I said before, it was really irresponsible of them to do it, but still, that doesn't necessarily mean they're totally unfit parents. I doubt there are any parents who could ever say they've never done anything which is considered "unorthodox" parenting.

Of course they will Bri.... You mark my words, these hypocrites who are kissing the arses of the McCann's will be the same muthafukkers who are in there like a shot to vilify single parents should a similar thing happen on a Council Estate in this country.....

If it was in exactly the same circumstances, then no I wouldn't. If it was some person leaving their kids in a really bad area (which Praia da Luz certainly isn't) for a night out leaving them alone from about 8-ish to 1am, then maybe I would, though probably not atleast until the kid was found. Even though it obviously didn't make a difference in this case, checking on them every so often and being kind of near shows a little bit more responsibilty than that.

IF they did repeatedly leave them (and I don't think that's actually been confirmed anywhere but whatever) then it's the same one mistake, albeit a repeated one. But like I said before, it was really irresponsible of them to do it, but still, that doesn't necessarily mean they're totally unfit parents. I doubt there are any parents who could ever say they've never done anything which is considered "unorthodox" parenting.

 

:lol: :lol:

 

Sorry dude, you cant get away with saying it was "unorthodox", it was downright neglectful....., simple as... "unorthodox" would perhaps be getting a Native American Shaman to 'baptize' them or summat..... Nope, leaving three kids alone in an unlocked room on several occasions (and that's one mistake for EACH time they did it, dont try to get round it by saying just cos it was the same thing that happened on more than one occasion that it's somehow only ONE mistake... If a bank robber robs three banks, he doesn't get charged with only the ONE offence mate.. :lol: :lol: ). And how can you say it hasn't been confirmed, was it not confirmed by HOTEL STAFF that they went out dining alone on SEVERAL OCCASIONS....??

 

And even if you do try to make the ludicrous assertion that leaving the kids unattended on several occasions only constitutes one "mistake", just for the sake of argument though -

 

1. Leaving the kids alone while they're out to dinner - ONE mistake

2. Leaving the door unlocked - TWO mistakes

3. Not making use of the resort baby-sitting services - THREE mistakes

 

The McCann's made considerably more than just the 'one' mistake.....

If it was in exactly the same circumstances, then no I wouldn't. If it was some person leaving their kids in a really bad area (which Praia da Luz certainly isn't) for a night out leaving them alone from about 8-ish to 1am, then maybe I would, though probably not atleast until the kid was found. Even though it obviously didn't make a difference in this case, checking on them every so often and being kind of near shows a little bit more responsibilty than that.

 

Oh please, every half hour or summat....?? It takes 10 seconds for something to happen.... It certainly didn't take half an hour for some p**** to come in and snatch the bairn and spirit her away did it.....? <_< <_<

 

You make WAY too many excuses for these people and I am beginning to wonder why tbh, you some kind of PR rep or publicist for these b/astards....? There are actual PARENTS on this thread and on this site in general who are even more harsh about the McCann's parenting "skills" than I am.... So, dont give me the "you're not a parent, you dont understand" bullsh!t argument....

 

:lol: :lol:

 

Sorry dude, you cant get away with saying it was "unorthodox", it was downright neglectful....., simple as... "unorthodox" would perhaps be getting a Native American Shaman to 'baptize' them or summat..... Nope, leaving three kids alone in an unlocked room on several occasions (and that's one mistake for EACH time they did it, dont try to get round it by saying just cos it was the same thing that happened on more than one occasion that it's somehow only ONE mistake... If a bank robber robs three banks, he doesn't get charged with only the ONE offence mate.. :lol: :lol: ). And how can you say it hasn't been confirmed, was it not confirmed by HOTEL STAFF that they went out dining alone on SEVERAL OCCASIONS....??

 

And even if you do try to make the ludicrous assertion that leaving the kids unattended on several occasions only constitutes one "mistake", just for the sake of argument though -

 

1. Leaving the kids alone while they're out to dinner - ONE mistake

2. Leaving the door unlocked - TWO mistakes

3. Not making use of the resort baby-sitting services - THREE mistakes

 

The McCann's made considerably more than just the 'one' mistake.....

No, I don't think it has been confirmed by the hotel staff. Some newspaper reported it I think, whether it's actually true or not, I don't know. On that note, I don't think it's been confirmed the door was unlocked either, and are Mistakes 1 and 3 not the same? As if they'd used the babysitting service, the kids would not have been alone, no?

Oh please, every half hour or summat....?? It takes 10 seconds for something to happen.... It certainly didn't take half an hour for some p**** to come in and snatch the bairn and spirit her away did it.....? <_< <_<

 

You make WAY too many excuses for these people and I am beginning to wonder why tbh, you some kind of PR rep or publicist for these b/astards....? There are actual PARENTS on this thread and on this site in general who are even more harsh about the McCann's parenting "skills" than I am.... So, dont give me the "you're not a parent, you dont understand" bullsh!t argument....

Well, when I was 3, I remember being left alone for about an hour to watch TV or play in my room or something without being checked on and my parents in another room. Theoretically, I could've been abducted in that time annd my parents would've been none the wiser. Do you think they were bad parents?

Well, when I was 3, I remember being left alone for about an hour to watch TV or play in my room or something without being checked on and my parents in another room. Theoretically, I could've been abducted in that time annd my parents would've been none the wiser. Do you think they were bad parents?

 

Oh FFS, they were in the SAME BLOODY BUILDING though weren't they.......DUUUUUUUHHHHH!!! If you can't differentiate between the two, then frankly I wonder about you.... An abductor isn't gonna enter a building to kidnap you if a parent or guardian is actually there in the same building are they....? Stop being so bloody obtuse and glib and actually come up with a serious arguement.....

No, I don't think it has been confirmed by the hotel staff. Some newspaper reported it I think, whether it's actually true or not, I don't know. On that note, I don't think it's been confirmed the door was unlocked either, and are Mistakes 1 and 3 not the same? As if they'd used the babysitting service, the kids would not have been alone, no?

 

 

Nope, mistakes one and three are NOT the same at all... They're two entirely separate, different ones.... I just knew you'd try and pull that one... How stunningly predictable.... Actually getting a babysitter would've meant that there would be no problems with them going off to the Tapas Bar without the kids, because the kids would've had a guardian.... You cant just link the mistakes together and make like it's only ONE error, there were at least several serious errors in judgement here, adding them together makes a pretty compelling case for neglect....

What i dont get is, People AUTOMATICALLY Lock the Door :mellow:

 

I know i do everytime i leave the house. But to willingly leave the door unlocked whilst your Three Children are inside, in a Foreign Country is just absolutely hideous behaviour.

 

What the bloody hell were they thinking :|

What i dont get is, People AUTOMATICALLY Lock the Door :mellow:

 

Of course they do... Any sensible person, with common sense does.... I find it incredibly hard to believe that two seemingly intelligent Doctors would be that stunningly stupid, unless of course they're actually involved in the abduction on some level, which brings us back to the conspiracy theories......

 

Of course they do... Any sensible person, with common sense does.... I find it incredibly hard to believe that two seemingly intelligent Doctors would be that stunningly stupid, unless of course they're actually involved in the abduction on some level, which brings us back to the conspiracy theories......

Yeah exactly, what do people expect people to think...

 

If they cared about the Children, i think they would have took the Available services. These parents are doctors you say? :lol:. They might have passed their Medical Degree or whatever, but they sure dont know how to take care of Children.

Of course they do... Any sensible person, with common sense does.... I find it incredibly hard to believe that two seemingly intelligent Doctors would be that stunningly stupid, unless of course they're actually involved in the abduction on some level, which brings us back to the conspiracy theories......

 

 

If there ever was an abduction. Bet it's all a big hoax and she re-appears in a while. The reward ias claimed and split with the Mc Canns and everyone's happy.

Oh FFS, they were in the SAME BLOODY BUILDING though weren't they.......DUUUUUUUHHHHH!!! If you can't differentiate between the two, then frankly I wonder about you.... An abductor isn't gonna enter a building to kidnap you if a parent or guardian is actually there in the same building are they....?

What about the girl who was snatched from her bath a few years ago? Her parents were in the same house. Her parents may as well have been at a tapas bar, but like you said, there is a big difference in responsibility because they were in the same house. Just like there is a difference between checking on a kid every half-hour and leaving someone on a council estate for hours without checking on them, even if it might amount to the same thing.

But anyway, this argument's going round in circles so I'm pretty much stopping now.