^No, not all are writers, they are writers/producers. She is guaranteed £1m per album + sales + royalties + appearances + endorsements. If she doesn't clear £10m from this first album she can feel hard done by. and then theres the US....

 

Updated list Karen Poole has confirmed she is not on the album, producer Fernando is on, Dianne Warren is working for album 2.

 

Dallas Austin

Stargate

Danja

Kara Dioguardi

Fernando

Salaam Remi

Ryan Tedder

Walter Afanasieff

Novel

Wayne Wilkins

Ne Yo

Scott Storch

Max Martin

Damon Dash

Jörgen Elofsson

Jimmy Jam/Terry Lewis

Steve Mac

Soulshock

Carlin

 

Diane Warren (album #2)

^No, not all are writers, they are writers/producers. She is guaranteed £1m per album + sales + royalties + appearances + endorsements. If she doesn't clear £10m from this first album she can feel hard done by. and then theres the US....

 

Where did you get the information that Leona's guaranteed £1m per album before sales? Are you talking about her record deal, because if so, I don't think it works quite like that. ;)

she'll have to change her release date if she doesnt wana go up against the spice girls and lose

i hope she does change it ;) Spice Girls is one of the worst weeks to release against :(

i hope she does change it ;) Spice Girls is one of the worst weeks to release against :(

 

Your assuming anyones still interested in the Spice girls, I think not.

 

I hope Leona keeps the release date, just to keep those old tarts off the top.

Yeah, that ain't gonna happen ;) it's blatantly obvious, sorry to say

 

and no way in hell will she get £10 million from this one album :lol:

Yeah, that ain't gonna happen ;) it's blatantly obvious, sorry to say

 

and no way in hell will she get £10 million from this one album :lol:

 

Actually I meant to say $10 miilion. :unsure:

 

She gets $2 million per album (Usually paid in advance) + with song writing credits (which she will have since she is co-writing) she will get 5 times the royalties (providing the album sells). But the real money spinners of course are the extra-curricula activities. ;)

Actually I meant to say $10 miilion. :unsure:

 

She gets $2 million per album (Usually paid in advance) + with song writing credits (which she will have since she is co-writing) she will get 5 times the royalties (providing the album sells). But the real money spinners of course are the extra-curricula activities. ;)

 

Yea & that money she's paid in advance will have to be used to pay half of all the studio time, all promo, including videos, photo shoots, album art etc. just like any other artist. Makes quite a hole in it so she really only starts to make money when the album sells.

Actually I meant to say $10 miilion. :unsure:

 

She gets $2 million per album (Usually paid in advance) + with song writing credits (which she will have since she is co-writing) she will get 5 times the royalties (providing the album sells). But the real money spinners of course are the extra-curricula activities. ;)

 

 

Do you actually believe record companies just hand out that money in advance regardless, just because they signed her? It's called an advance because it is exactly that. Money 'loaned' in order for her to make the album, to pay expenses whilst she's making it. That will all have to be paid back from her earnings once the album sells and only then will she start to earn anything at all. Even then, most singers who earn mega bucks earn it from touring and merchandising not from c.d. sales.

 

It's a business not a charity and they speculate to accumulate, if record companies didn't do that, they'd have their share holders up in arms on a daily basis.

Do you actually believe record companies just hand out that money in advance regardless, just because they signed her? It's called an advance because it is exactly that. Money 'loaned' in order for her to make the album, to pay expenses whilst she's making it. That will all have to be paid back from her earnings once the album sells and only then will she start to earn anything at all. Even then, most singers who earn mega bucks earn it from touring and merchandising not from c.d. sales.

 

It's a business not a charity and they speculate to accumulate, if record companies didn't do that, they'd have their share holders up in arms on a daily basis.

 

Yes, Kelly Clarkson was paid millions up front for "My December" even though they new it would flop, because that was the contract.

Yes, Kelly Clarkson was paid millions up front for "My December" even though they new it would flop, because that was the contract.

That's because her last sold so much and they were presuming her follow up would sell the same.. this won't be happening for her 4th album... well it won't if the album conts to do badly.

Yes, Kelly Clarkson was paid millions up front for "My December" even though they new it would flop, because that was the contract.

 

The advance offered largely depends on the sales of the previous album & as Marguerite rightly said it all has to be paid back the labels aren't charities. As special as you may think Leona is her contract will be no different. The hype & promo surrounding the release of her debut album will be massive & she'll have to foot half the bill.

Yes, Kelly Clarkson was paid millions up front for "My December" even though they new it would flop, because that was the contract.

 

 

She hasn't been 'paid' millions up front :rolleyes: She had an advance to make My December and if it's failed to sell the required amount to recoup that advance,then she'll be paying for it out of her earnings from this and future c.ds, as long as she's in contract.

 

Every artist with a contract has a value on that contract. An amount the label is prepared to advance towards the cost of making an album varies with the success the artist has had or is predicted to have. Leona's 10 million dollars is a predicted amount of advance to cover 5 albums. If she fails to sell the first, they'll get rid of her very quick, that'll apply all the way through the contract though, depending on sales of each one. Leona can't escape, it's one way only and her label hold all the trump cards.

Schooling at Sylvia Young and Italia Conti in classical/opera says she probably forgotten more than you will ever know. How do you think she got that three octave falsetto.

 

Surely, nobody has a three-octave falsetto? A three-octave range is possible, in fact, a lot of people have a 3-octave range and more (as far as reaching the low and the high notes is concerned, not necessarily sounding good at both ends of the scale), but not 3 octaves of falsetto. In fact, I'm not even sure the term "falsetto" is used for female singers? :unsure:

Edited August 22, 200717 yr by Toni

Surely, nobody has a three-octave falsetto? A three-octave range is possible, in fact, a lot of people have a 3-octave range and more (as far as reaching the low and the high notes is concerned, not necessarily sounding good at both ends of the scale), but not 3 octaves of falsetto. In fact, I'm not even sure the term "falsetto" is used for female singers? :unsure:

 

 

You are right Toni.

Falsetto: forced high notes of a male voice produced by tightening of the glottis

Edited August 22, 200717 yr by munchkin

Falsetto for men or head voice for women. Both are used interchangeably nowadays.

 

Head voice+superhead C4-G6 = 2.6 octaves

 

So you are right. Although the upper limit of her whistle register haven't been heard yet.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Falsetto for men or head voice for women. Both are used interchangeably nowadays.

 

Head voice+superhead C4-G6 = 2.6 octaves

 

So you are right. Although the upper limit of her whistle register haven't been heard yet.

 

So could she sing that aria of the Queen of the Night from Mozart's Magic Flute that goes up to F6? It's actually quite rare that a woman can sing that high and it requires a lot of practice. In the XFactor I don't think Leona sang anything higher than A5.

 

C4 wouldn't be head voice, that's the lower part of the soprano range.

 

What's a "whistle range"? :blink:

So could she sing that aria of the Queen of the Night from Mozart's Magic Flute that goes up to F6? It's actually quite rare that a woman can sing that high and it requires a lot of practice. In the XFactor I don't think Leona sang anything higher than A5.

 

C4 wouldn't be head voice, that's the lower part of the soprano range.

 

What's a "whistle range"? :blink:

 

 

Toni: http://www.vocalfocus.com/whistle.html

 

Toni if you listen to Will's Easy you will hear his high falsetto or flute.

Edited August 22, 200717 yr by munchkin

Thanks for the tip, munchkin. I've been googling and wikipedia-ing about this. Having much fun as I'm interested in singing in general.

 

About the whistle register: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whistle_register

 

Found this interesting article on Wiki re: the woman with biggest vocal range, which stretches over... wait for it... 8 octaves!!

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_Brown...ilian_singer%29

 

Read somewhere a while agon that Mariah Carey can apparently sing over 6 octaves, and I found that hard to believe, but having read about Georgia Brown, I suppose it must be true!

 

I think the average range for a woman is probably more like 3 octaves.

 

I wonder how big Leona's range is. Probably bigger than average, especially since she's had training.

This is interesting and perhaps goes some way to explaining nodules:

 

False Cord Function: Dramatic Tenor Singing Lyric Tenor

 

Another singer comes to mind in thinking about the false cord function and the damage that can be incurred. A dramatic tenor came to my New York Studio and he had been trained as a light lyric tenor. He had also been vocalized on the false cord function in the falsetto mechanism. The side effects were obvious; his throat was completely closed in the upper passaggio and upper register of his changed voice and he was suffering from singing with far too much breath pressure. This was due directly to the false cord training in the falsetto that had developed tremendous pressure on the throat. Also, this singer was over-blowing his cords in the middle register and over-squeezing his cords in the upper register: a double abuse. The resulting damage took the form of nodules that over time and with healthy vocalization disappeared. One negative result of a singer being trained in too light a fach is the over-compression of the breath in the upper register. This is a side effect of a high laryngeal position. Larger-voiced singers who are young in their development do not know how to sing softly and remain connected to the body. Most dramatic tenors are larger-bodied persons. If they are encouraged to over-compress the breath in singing through using a squeeze on the throat, then the result is that the singer is constantly singing on a gag reflex. This places tremendous pressure on the vocal cords. It also limits freedom and range in the upper register. The recuperative time period for this singer was approximately 2 years.

 

 

http://www.voiceteacher.com/whistle_register.html

Edited August 22, 200717 yr by munchkin