Posted April 26, 200619 yr Well, many have blamed the UK's poor performance of the last three years on politics, but I have to say I tend to disagree. 2003: Jemini - Cry Baby The song was awful, they couldn't sing, there was a lot of competition in 2003. Although I think the war on Iraq probably did contribute this year. 2004: James Fox - Hold On To Our Love Iraq was more or less forgotten about and I think 29 points is quite generous for this drab song. Never stood a chance in what was quite a weak year for songs at Eurovision. 2005: Javine - Touch My Fire Although the song was ok, it didn't stand out compared to half the other songs. It was sandwiched between Hungary and Malta who both had good songs and then Romania and Norway followed also with good songs. Israel's political status isn't fantastic now is it? And they sent a good song last year and did well. The Junior ESC is no different either, we finished 2nd in 2004 and 3rd in 2003. The 50th anniversairy show was no different either, Brotherhood Of Man finished 5th.
April 26, 200619 yr Taste in music differs from country to country, not convinced that it's politics, but more of a liking the music that your neighbouring county likes.
April 26, 200619 yr Well, many have blamed the UK's poor performance of the last three years on politics, but I have to say I tend to disagree. well that's the fun of it, you dont watch it for the music :lol: :lol: the scoring is actually the best part
April 26, 200619 yr Author well that's the fun of it, you dont watch it for the music :lol: :lol: the scoring is actually the best part Of course it is! I love the scoring, most of the songs are poor but they are getting better by year I have to say. Shame they've decided to **** up the scoring this year, revealing 1-7 already and the spokesperson only saying the 8, 10 and 12. :( Let's hope if we win it BBC can put an end to all 37 voting, as I bet they'd love to, but I bet they wouldn't be allowed.
April 26, 200619 yr I don't really think that politics entered into it to be honest... Jemini were fukkin' abysmal, as those "50 Most Embarrassing Moments of All Time"-type Clip Shows prove they sang out of tune and out of time, the song was piss-poor and Iraq or no Iraq, it woulda gotten panned whatever. The fact that they've done sod all since that proves everything... James Fox??? Where the fukk is he now???? Not exactly setting the charts on fire is he? Again, totally forgettable song, totally forgettable singer.... Javine - A very much second-string pop star when she was at her peak even, not really a household name.. Problem is with Brit entries at the Eurovision is that none of your James Blunts or Robbie Williams' would actually touch it with a bargepole (and really, why should they? The competition is considered a joke in the UK..), and it's really someone like these guys that would probably stand a fair chance.
April 26, 200619 yr Author I don't really think that politics entered into it to be honest... Jemini were fukkin' abysmal, as those "50 Most Embarrassing Moments of All Time"-type Clip Shows prove they sang out of tune and out of time, the song was piss-poor and Iraq or no Iraq, it woulda gotten panned whatever. The fact that they've done sod all since that proves everything... James Fox??? Where the fukk is he now???? Not exactly setting the charts on fire is he? Again, totally forgettable song, totally forgettable singer.... Javine - A very much second-string pop star when she was at her peak even, not really a household name.. Problem is with Brit entries at the Eurovision is that none of your James Blunts or Robbie Williams' would actually touch it with a bargepole (and really, why should they? The competition is considered a joke in the UK..), and it's really someone like these guys that would probably stand a fair chance. Yeah it's a shame we take it as a joke really, it just makes us look bigheaded and stuck up compared to the rest of Europe. Although tbh it's only really the newer countries (Balkan, Baltics) that take it dead seriously isn't it.
April 27, 200619 yr Yea, the Iraqi war has been just an excuse for UK doing so bad lately. And I have no doubts about that it will be used again this year to explain why Daz didn't win (nor make it into top 10). It is an easy excuse to use to avoid blaming the people who voted the song the first place. Jemini had a poor song to begin with but the performance was even for that kind of song absolutely hideous. James Fox was as dull as they get and Javine very forgettable. And this year with quite a few good standout songs participating, I expect a real uphill battle for Daz. I would be surprised if it gets even close to top ten. Thou, if they can make the performance really standout among the others (but how to do that for a song like this?), it could make it even top ten. I think that there is even a bigger reason why "big stars" don't want to participate than the fact that the competition is considered campy. I don't think that any stars would take the chance and participate and then have a really disasterous result. I don't think that even someone like Rachel Stevens is desparate enough (not yet - just wait next year and she might be participating :-) ) to gamble her reputation (ok, what reputation? - bad example, let's say Simon Webbe instead - he has been doing ok) and participate and then if the song bombs it might be that the career won't ever recover from that embarrasment that comes from the fact that an established artist bombs among unknowns at the ESC. That risk is just too big.
April 27, 200619 yr And one more thing, I think Brits (and others also) think ESC is a joke as long as they bomb - when they do well it is considered much more serious.
April 28, 200619 yr OK Jemini were criminally bad, however I do think it has become about politics, last year I really don't think Javine was bad, AT ALL, and she did awfully, to be honest last year everything sounded basically the same, including Javine, so I don't see how they could tell them apart. :blink: But in short, yes. -_-
April 28, 200619 yr James Fox??? Where the fukk is he now???? Not exactly setting the charts on fire is he? Again, totally forgettable song, totally forgettable singer.... He's doing Broadway ;)
April 28, 200619 yr 2003-Jemini had a fairly good song in my opinion but performed absolutely terribly. I've no idea why the UK picked that song as their choice... 2004-James Fox only won because of Fame Academy, and the song was like the sort of turd Ireland churn out nowadays. Compared to Ruslana and Julie and Ludwig he was really never going to stand out... 2005-Javine looked like a copycat of other countries. This is not the sort of music the UK listens to and Europe probably picked up on that. An overblown performance with men on huge drums, it sounded more suited to Turkey or another Eastern country. Plus as David said, there were some very strong songs surrounding it... 2006-Daz is truly the UK's most cheesy MC, but he clearly loves Eurovision and wants to do well...not to raise his own profile like Javine (see The Games also...) and James Fox, but to try and do well for his country. He is a breath of fresh air into this years songs and although it will look odd in the contest, particuarly bang in the middle where he is performing, perhaps a half asleep audience will wake up...
April 28, 200619 yr Although tbh it's only really the newer countries (Balkan, Baltics) that take it dead seriously isn't it. Wasnt it a Baltic State or Balkan State who had that old Granny on banging her drum a year or two back...? :lol: :lol: I laughed so much at that I almost pissed myself. They cant be taking ESC all that seriously.....
April 28, 200619 yr 2003-Jemini had a fairly good song in my opinion but performed absolutely terribly. I've no idea why the UK picked that song as their choice... To this day, Jemini honestly think that the Iraq war ruined their shot at fame....Oh, the sheer fukkin' delusion..... :lol: :lol: :lol:
April 28, 200619 yr actually I didn't like 2003 & 2004 UK entries but loved Javine & voted 4 her but...
April 29, 200619 yr They've changed the scoring?!?!?! Nooooooooooooooo I loved it when everyone got confused and they started waffling off for no reason. I bet its because of TV revenue money as ever.... I personally think while politics do have some influence, countries living next to eachother generally have very similar musical tastes and therefore will like their neighbours music better. Si
April 30, 200619 yr Yeah it's a shame we take it as a joke really, it just makes us look bigheaded and stuck up compared to the rest of Europe. Although tbh it's only really the newer countries (Balkan, Baltics) that take it dead seriously isn't it. we think that 95% of music from Europe is a joke (excepting Air, Rammstein, Kraftwerk etc)
May 1, 200619 yr No wonder we've been doing so c**p lately - we just recycle our reality rejects - 2002, Jessica Garlick (but that was good, so I'll make an exception for her), 2004, James Fox (come on, who would win with a ballad like that?), 2005, Javine (OK, the song was ok, but let's face it, performing 2nd, she didn't stand a chance) If only Javine had saved the wardrobe malfunction for the real contest - how many more votes would we have gotten then?
May 1, 200619 yr other countries might have a high proportion of reality peeps as well. idol is big everywhere it broadcast with loads of those people clogging up the german and french charts
May 1, 200619 yr If only Javine had saved the wardrobe malfunction for the real contest - how many more votes would we have gotten then? none???
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