Alhough she sounded ENGLISH tonight :o

mmm i thought she sounded quite america at the diana concert again tonight.. only the other day the english accent was back and a few days before the american one :lol: I use to really like Joss but she just annoys the hell out of me now! You had me? that song of hers was really good and a few of her old ones but her new album is rubbish, i hate how they try and make out that she is some credible act like today at the concert, she sang her set and then came back and sang with tom jones like she was the god there? :S and jark you are arguing with alot of people lately, and in many cases you are trying to make yourself come across as some kind of authority figure on the site and it really isn't working :S

Lmao. I only argue (although youre using that word quite strongly, its really just healthy debate) if i actually do agree - if everyone is here slagging off Joss when she has a good voice im not gonna ignore it cos i feel thats not in the slightest bit true.

 

And she did not come across American tonight :huh:

I was a fan of Joss Stone

I even decided to avoid the american accent thingy

and judge her music

IMO Introducing Joss Stone is complete sh!te!!

To me it sounds like a woman trying to sing successful songs which are blatent fillers

Give me Mind Body & Soul or The Soul Sessions

anytime!!

I love Introducing :wub: Ten brilliant songs on there. 3 or 4 fillers but you're normally going to find that..

Tbh I'm sort of with Jark. Whether Joss has soul or not I don't know, but I think it's ridiculous to say she can't just because she's a "white middle-class" girl. You have to be a poor black girl to have soul?

Tbh I'm sort of with Jark. Whether Joss has soul or not I don't know, but I think it's ridiculous to say she can't just because she's a "white middle-class" girl. You have to be a poor black girl to have soul?

 

not exactly, but it helps... and its not just females either who have 'soul'.

 

soul is blues, soul came from pain- from suffering, its a deep seated emotion from the soul itself. soul, blues, cant be manufactured, created, its a raw passion from the heart. joss stone might sound like she has the voice.... but theres no substance to it, shes singing from the wallet not the heart. ray charles, ella fitzgerald, aretha franklin, stevie wonder, gladys knight etc etc etc sang with a passion about their lives, they sang because they wanted to express themselves and none of them were controled by the record companies or any pop guru who created a product.

 

so yes, exactly... wtf does a white middle class GIRL know about soul? shes a creation so she cant have soul. ill take her seriously as a soul singer when she abandons her comfy lifestyle and feels hardship and pain.

 

however im not saying shes 'no good' as a singer, her songs are ok..

not exactly, but it helps... and its not just females either who have 'soul'.

 

soul is blues, soul came from pain- from suffering, its a deep seated emotion from the soul itself. soul, blues, cant be manufactured, created, its a raw passion from the heart. joss stone might sound like she has the voice.... but theres no substance to it, shes singing from the wallet not the heart. ray charles, ella fitzgerald, aretha franklin, stevie wonder, gladys knight etc etc etc sang with a passion about their lives, they sang because they wanted to express themselves and none of them were controled by the record companies or any pop guru who created a product.

 

so yes, exactly... wtf does a white middle class GIRL know about soul? shes a creation so she cant have soul. ill take her seriously as a soul singer when she abandons her comfy lifestyle and feels hardship and pain.

 

however im not saying shes 'no good' as a singer, her songs are ok..

'Shes a creation'? She was discovered on a talent show, but that doesnt make her manufactured pop - its probably a damn sight harder for a white girl from Devon singing soul to get discovered and signed than it is for your regular soul singer from London city or whatever. And I get your point about the record companies, but Joss has gone on record several times this year to say that she wasn't happy with her first two albums because the label dominated the recording process, and that this is her first where there's been no higher creative control above her. AND she has suffered pain in a way, as she split with her partner after living in America to record because the long distance-thing wasnt working; so that's all reflected in the lyrics of 'Arms Of My Baby'.

i cant notice it.. she sounds british :o

'Shes a creation'? She was discovered on a talent show, but that doesnt make her manufactured pop - its probably a damn sight harder for a white girl from Devon singing soul to get discovered and signed than it is for your regular soul singer from London city or whatever. And I get your point about the record companies, but Joss has gone on record several times this year to say that she wasn't happy with her first two albums because the label dominated the recording process, and that this is her first where there's been no higher creative control above her. AND she has suffered pain in a way, as she split with her partner after living in America to record because the long distance-thing wasnt working; so that's all reflected in the lyrics of 'Arms Of My Baby'.

 

unless shes in total control of her material, including writing and arranging/producing the music, deciding herself which direction to take and which records to release... shes a bore. shes being controled and steered by a record company boss. splitting from her fella is hardly the same as years and years of subjegation, slavery, racism, etc that black people for a couple of hundered years had... thats inherant 'pain'... no simulairty at all.

unless shes in total control of her material, including writing and arranging/producing the music, deciding herself which direction to take and which records to release... shes a bore. shes being controled and steered by a record company boss. splitting from her fella is hardly the same as years and years of subjegation, slavery, racism, etc that black people for a couple of hundered years had... thats inherant 'pain'... no simulairty at all.

 

I'm sorry but I still don't completely buy it. Yeah, things are generally easier when you're middle class, but it's not guaranteed. I'd be surprised there was not even one middle-class white girl who'd ever suffered pain. Not racism or slavery no, but there are other forms of hardship...

Exactly - and i dont think Aretha ever suffered 'slavery' - black people may have (centuries ago) but Aretha hasnt, and yet you couldnt deny she's a soul great.

Exactly - and i dont think Aretha ever suffered 'slavery' - black people may have (centuries ago) but Aretha hasnt, and yet you couldnt deny she's a soul great.

 

missing the point....... again...

 

i said it was an inherant pain, suffering and depression buit up over centuries of hardship.... it was /is in the psyche. without it there wouldnt be any blues, (and arguably any rock/pop!)

 

a 'tiff' and a blubbing session from a safe middle class white girl just isnt on the scale. the blues /soul didnt arise from safe white english girls! lol. i think you are misunderstanding the scale of it.

Right, well whatever - i know Aretha herself didnt suffer but she had soul because of her origins, and I think thats what youre getting at, but I think it's completely wrong to say that because Joss is 'middle class' and white she cant have soul or even have had suffering.

Right, well whatever - i know Aretha herself didnt suffer but she had soul because of her origins, and I think thats what youre getting at, but I think it's completely wrong to say that because Joss is 'middle class' and white she cant have soul or even have had suffering.

 

Well, sorry, but she kinda hasn't endured any suffering, and she doesn't have that indefinable quality which makes a real Soul Singer.... Dusty Springfield was different because she was a Lesbian and had to keep her sexuality secret in the early 60s otherwise it would've destroyed her career, so one can argue that she certainly suffered as a result of society's restrictions and prejudices, so she was a true "soul" singer...

 

Aretha Franklin may not have been a "slave", but ffs, this was the America of the 50s and 60s she was growing up in (she was born in 1942) - the "Jim Crow" laws, segregation, "whites only" seats on buses and park benches, mate you have NOT a clue of what you speak of; of course Aretha suffered ffs, like ALL African Americans in this period, she was probably called "n****r" or a "spook" every day of her life growing up in the Deep South, and she was eye-witness to the incredible social upheavals of that period as well - the civil rights struggle, Martin Luther King, etc.... ie, she kinda went through just a little bit more than a lover's falling out as Rob said....

 

Sorry, but actually listen to how the likes of James Brown and Aretha Franklin (and, heck, Chuck D for that matter...)actually express themselves, and what it is they are expressing, these are the voices of the downtrodden, the oppressed, the poor urban classes FINALLY given a release and a way to express themselves.... It is a fukkin' GLORIOUS thing, and full of meaning... The likes of Joss Stone and Mariah Carey just CANNOT MATCH......

 

Aretha Franklin singing a song like "Respect" is NOT just about her demanding respect from "her man", she is a BLACK woman demanding respect from WHITE America as whole... James Brown singing "Say it loud, I'm Black and I'm Proud".... Has just a bit more to it than the witterings of Carey and Stone IMO.....

i think Joss has a really good singing voice but i just can't help not liking her much at all. why does she think that she is a black american lol.

I don't really seem to notice (or care about) the American accent thing.

 

What I have noticed though is she's said "f*** off" to her British fans, and caters only for African Americans and US soul fans.

why does she think that she is a black american lol.

 

That's kind of the problem really isn't it...? I reckon it's really insulting for her to do this whole "black American" act, especially when you do look at the history of Black Soul music and the kind of poverty and social backgrounds in the racist, redneck Deep South that the artists who defined it came from... Really insulting.... Sure, be influenced by all means, but she should never pretend that she could possibly relate to what they actually went through....

 

:S and jark you are arguing with alot of people lately, and in many cases you are trying to make yourself come across as some kind of authority figure on the site and it really isn't working :S

 

i dont think that jark is arguing here, its not heated nor disrespectful. tbh he is doing what everyone should do... question what they are being told!

Well, sorry, but she kinda hasn't endured any suffering, and she doesn't have that indefinable quality which makes a real Soul Singer.... Dusty Springfield was different because she was a Lesbian and had to keep her sexuality secret in the early 60s otherwise it would've destroyed her career, so one can argue that she certainly suffered as a result of society's restrictions and prejudices, so she was a true "soul" singer...

 

Aretha Franklin may not have been a "slave", but ffs, this was the America of the 50s and 60s she was growing up in (she was born in 1942) - the "Jim Crow" laws, segregation, "whites only" seats on buses and park benches, mate you have NOT a clue of what you speak of; of course Aretha suffered ffs, like ALL African Americans in this period, she was probably called "n****r" or a "spook" every day of her life growing up in the Deep South, and she was eye-witness to the incredible social upheavals of that period as well - the civil rights struggle, Martin Luther King, etc.... ie, she kinda went through just a little bit more than a lover's falling out as Rob said....

 

Sorry, but actually listen to how the likes of James Brown and Aretha Franklin (and, heck, Chuck D for that matter...)actually express themselves, and what it is they are expressing, these are the voices of the downtrodden, the oppressed, the poor urban classes FINALLY given a release and a way to express themselves.... It is a fukkin' GLORIOUS thing, and full of meaning... The likes of Joss Stone and Mariah Carey just CANNOT MATCH......

 

Aretha Franklin singing a song like "Respect" is NOT just about her demanding respect from "her man", she is a BLACK woman demanding respect from WHITE America as whole... James Brown singing "Say it loud, I'm Black and I'm Proud".... Has just a bit more to it than the witterings of Carey and Stone IMO.....

 

 

well said scott :)

 

maybe im too cynical, but in this modern age its money that dictates what artists produce which songs... unlike the 60's when 'innovation' was the buzz word, and artists were free to express themselves in any way they wanted too.... (also in punk and the original 'indie' scene). joss stone seems to be 'learning' how to be soulful, instead of it being an inherant trait.