With the country now at its highest level of security, then all asian looking travellers near airports will get stopped as they will be deemed maybe to be terrorists. This may not be fair but what else can the police do. Innocent asians will feel victimised but its a fact of life.

 

I've yet to hear a single miserable, snivelling utterance from the ghastly Muslim Council of Britain (yet again).

 

Until they deem it right and proper to WHOLLY denounce these terrorist acts, (which they've again yet to do WHATSOEVER)..then of course Muslims will be stopped, searched and inconvenienced. Until their vile 'Council' stand up and speak loudly condemning this - expect all manner of race-related attacks and problems for the Muslim communities in Great Britain.

 

Maybe when Britain becomes less accommodating and welcoming for them, and the British communities decide enough is quite enough, the 62% of this most despicable of religions who thought July 7th was acceptable will now reconsider?

Saddam HAD NO REAL BEEF with this country mate, he never threatened our borders or the borders any other European country at any point, and the fact that we were actually willing to sell him the "supergun" (with full Govt approval by the way...) kinda proves that despite everything it was still a case of "business as usual".... He probably wanted the sodding gun to DEFEND HIS OWN COUNTRY FROM THE BLOODY ILLEGAL NUKES THE ISRAELIS HAD........ Which, by the way, they got from the fukkin' YANKS..... Sorry, but it is not our or America's place to go in and act as sodding Policeman for the entire fukkin' planet mate, especially when it's so blatantly fukkin' obvious that it's sod all to do with "protecting human rights" or "spreading democracy" (ha fukkin' ha, like our Govt or the Bush regime even understand the concepts of "Democracy" or "human rights".....) and a LOT more to do with "hmm, Iraq has lots of oil, but Rwanda doesn't, sorry Rwanda, you can stew in your own hell....." <_< <_< <_< Gimme a fukkin' break mate. Don't even TRY to make out that our motives for ANYTHING we do are "pure" and totally altruistic because you really just dont have a clue what those b/astards you were misguided enough to vote into office are really capable of..... I'm really worried about you mate, you used to have principles and actually knew the difference between right and wrong, you were once really critical of the Govt and the war, now you are getting more and more incredibly reactionary... It dont suit you and it makes you somewhat of a moral coward tbh..... Really is incredible, Craig the Tory is actually more of Political Radical than you are these days....

 

And, sorry, but you have no evidence to support your assumptions that there even would've been any attacks upon us, like I say, nothing has happened in Germany, France, Scandinavia, Canada - all countries OPPOSING military action and critical of the American regime... The Jihadis HATE AMERICA.... Bin Laden actually gave us a get out clause a couple of years back - "ditch America and we'll leave you Europeans alone"... We shoud've taken him up on the offer and told Bush to go fukk himself.... And, er, by the way, Spain DID have a small number of troops in Iraq..... :P Then, when ex-PM Aznar lied to his people about who really committed the attack on Madrid (he claimed it was ETA....) and the reasons for it, they booted the maggot out of office (like WE should've done with B-Liar..... I truly am ashamed of my fellow countrymen for voting a fukkin' WAR CRIMINAL back into power. Michael Howard and Charles Kennedy may have had their faults, but "lying, mass murdering war criminal" was certainly NOT amongst those faults....), voted in a Socialist party who then immediately ordered all troops home..... And, er, guess what, no bombs going off in Spain since then.......

 

And TiP accused me of writing "Politically Correct bullsh!t" I do believe, so excuse fukkin' me if I didn't take too kindly to HIM disrespecting ME...... <_< <_< Notice you dont say jack-all to HIM about being disrespectful to me mate......

 

we didnt know the parts were for a 'big gun', until someone sussed it out. it was being cast here.

 

tbh the isaelies shouldnt have nukes, i dont trust them either.

 

where i dissagree with you is that i dont think it makes any difference wether or not we went to war in iraq, it was only a matter of time before extremist muslims (or anyone else) would sooner or later attack the west. we are an obvious target as we are western and have a high population of muslims.

where i dissagree with you is that i dont think it makes any difference wether or not we went to war in iraq, it was only a matter of time before extremist muslims (or anyone else) would sooner or later attack the west. we are an obvious target as we are western and have a high population of muslims.

 

But, Rob, so does FRANCE (I would say just as much of a Muslim population as we have)... Go check out the Banlouies some time, teeming with Arabic and North African French Muslims... Sorry, haven't heard of any bombs going off in the Champs D'lllysees at any time.... I'm sorry, but I just dont buy it that if we hadn't gone into Iraq then it would've happened anyway, don't buy it at all....

 

 

I've yet to hear a single miserable, snivelling utterance from the ghastly Muslim Council of Britain (yet again).

 

Until they deem it right and proper to WHOLLY denounce these terrorist acts, (which they've again yet to do WHATSOEVER)..then of course Muslims will be stopped, searched and inconvenienced. Until their vile 'Council' stand up and speak loudly condemning this - expect all manner of race-related attacks and problems for the Muslim communities in Great Britain.

 

Maybe when Britain becomes less accommodating and welcoming for them, and the British communities decide enough is quite enough, the 62% of this most despicable of religions who thought July 7th was acceptable will now reconsider?

 

Russ, just where are you getting this 62% rubbish from...? Is it some sort of Poll....? Well, I think we all know just what a crock of sh!t those can be, just ask any Labour voter between the years 1983-1997 who were soooo convinced that their party was going to win general elections because the Polls said so.... There are many ways to totally load an Opinion Poll to get the results you want, they are so easy to manipulate.... Ask yourself - What is the size of the sample....? Who is it they're actually asking (is it a cross-section of the Muslim community or mainly the young hot-heads who are rightly sick of B-Liar and his two-faced, hypocritical bullsh!t and are just "sounding off" to express their disgust with the Govt...?), what question is actually being asked...? Who, exactly, is conducting the Poll...

 

I dont buy this 62% rubbish tbh, unless you ask EVERY SINGLE MUSLIM IN THE COUNTRY for their opinion, I dont think you can credibly pass this nonsense off as being any kind of fact.... You could just as easily argue that the majority of Irish Catholics supported the IRA if you conduct some sort of highly prejudicial Poll.....

 

And why this insistence on making the Muslim Council of Great Britain somehow culpable for every single nutter out there.... The MCGB represents BRITISH Muslims, most of these guys carrying out this sh!t were FOREIGN NATIONALS...... Also, I don't recall the Catholic Church being expected to come out and make public statements or press conferences every fukkin' time an IRA bombing was carried out.....

What a load of utter bullsh!t YOU are spouting here mate....

 

Stop bringing up Hitler ffs, like it's ANY KIND OF SODDING COMPARISON!!!! Hitler was EUROPEAN, he was invading HUGE CHUNKS OF EUROPE, he was sitting RIGHT ACROSS THE SODDING ENGLISH CHANNEL IN FRANCE POISED TO INVADE THIS COUNTRY.... Last time I looked Saddam Hussein had done NONE of these things (had Saddam invaded Holland, France, Czechoslovakia, Poland, Norway....? DON'T FUKKIN' THINK SO!!!!!) Hitler was a EUROPEAN problem, Saddam was an ARAB problem, simple as... And the facts are, none of this sh!t started happening until we invaded Iraq.... Cant get around the FACTS!!!!! And that's FACTS, not 'Political Correctness' (whatever that means.....)

 

I'm surprised your history is so poor on this mate. When Britain declared war on Germany on September 3rd 1939. Germany had just invaded Poland two days previously using the false pretext of a faked "Polish attack" on a German border post. They had yet to invade France, Scandinavia, The Balkans, The Baltic states, & The Low Countries which alll took place in the following 9 months.

 

Also Hitler's Nazi ideology was the anti-Semitic erradication of Jews via the Holocaust, a totalitarian dictatorship aiming at conquering the world, and a social Darwinism of "Aryan", Nordic racial purity with all other races & religions being inferior.

 

Al-Qaeda's objectives include the elimination of foreign "infadel" influence in Muslim countries, elimination of Israel and all Jews, the creation of a new Islamic caliphate "government" across the whole of the world at the expense of other religious ideologies.

 

So as you can see they are completely different. :rolleyes:

 

And, sorry, but what is so damned 'Politically Correct' about LOOKING AT THE FUKKIN' FACTS - Nu Labor DID lie about WMDs and the "necessity" to invade Iraq, the police DID lie about the Jean Charles de Menezes affair and DELIBERATELY PROPOGATED FALSE INFORMATION TO MAKE HIM LOOK LIKE HE SOMEHOW DESERVED TO BE KILLED WHEN IN FACT HE WAS FALSELY TARGETED BY SOME FUKKIN IDIOT WHO CANT TELL THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN AN ASIAN AND A FUKKIN' HISPANIC!!!!!!!! The David Kelly affair is also a shameful indictment on this Govt, at the VERY, VERY LEAST, he was driven to suicide by the whole affair, and I am sorry in my book, when you drive someone to commit suicide, THAT IS THE NEXT BEST THING TO MURDER!!!!!!! As for actual murder, well that would be SHOOTING AN INNOCENT GUY EIGHT TIMES WITH NO WARNINGS GIVEN....... <_< <_< Oh, and the small matter of SLAUGHTERING 27.000 IRAQI CIVILIANS...... Don't see you expressing the same sense of outrage for the war crimes committed by THIS GOVERNMENT...... How fukkin' typical of people like you, not giving a damn about the crimes WE commit on other peoples, other cultures, other countries, but as soon as somebody hits back at US or sodding America everybody's all "Oh, those murdering b/astards" and seem to blatantly forget about the "murdering b/astards" they voted back into office.....

 

You know damn well that I think we went to War in Iraq on at worst a lie, at best misinformation thanks to the Yanks self-interest to get control of Iraq's plentiful oil refineries. (This got me a pint of beer chucked over my leather jacket last night, for stating that opinion in my local pub while the news was on after the Diana concert, but thats a separate issue...). You know damn well that I think Bush is the worst President of the USA since the abolition of slavery and a total disaster for world affairs with his Republican insular policies of self-interest & screw the rest of the world attitude, and I am angry that an otherwise very good Prime Minister had to commit political suicide by his disastrous decision backing Bush with all the subsequent fall out / backlash that has occurred.

 

However, you are conveniently forgetting about the fact that according to Amnesty International Saddam's employment of systematic state terror, aided by a pervasive security apparatus caused the disappearance of 200,000 people during his rule. While Saddam used large-scale repression to crush rebellions he deemed threatening to the stability of Iraq, particularly Shi'a (Shi'ites) and Kurdish movements seeking to overthrow the government or gain independence, respectively with both military & economic sanctions taken by Saddam's leadership leading to the death of 500,000 & 700,000 Shi'ites & Kurds during his rule.

 

HYPOCRISY....

 

Frankly, I dont think you even know what "political correctness" actually means mate...... It's a Meeeeeedjaaaaaahhhhhh "buzz phrase", spin, out and out bullsh!t.... It means ABSOLUTELY SOD ALL...... A term propogated mainly by the Right Wing press and Right Wing political interests in order to undermine the fight against racism, sexism and homophobia, great idea, come up with this totally false "Orwellian" phrase to make anti-racism, anti-sexism and anti-homophobia seem to be somehow "sinister"...... Well done TiP, you fell for it.....

 

Bollocks mate.

 

The Orwellian phrase was "Newspeak".

 

The origin of the phrase Political correctness came from Marxist-Leninist vocabulary to describe the "party line". However, I have been using the term "political correctness" in a pejorative sense. In a critical fashion often to express a concern about the dilution of freedom of speech, intolerance of language, and the avoidance of a discussion of social problems.

 

Within the last month there has been 10 fatalities within the UK due to knife stabbings by non-Caucasians, yet 6 of the fatalities were Caucasians, yet the police & media appears to be scared to say that these attacks are race related. Yet if it was the other way around, then you know that is exactly what would be said.

 

On a more trivial/flippant look, just turn on Channel 4's Big Brother (another Orwellian reference) where a white contestant got thrown out of the show for muttering the "N" word even though it was meant in (albeit very crassly) a "street" matey term of enderance & not in it's insulting derogatary context. Whilst the victim (Charley) has used the "N" word over 70 times and more seriously called one of the caucasian housemates (Carole) a Bhangi which is the lowest form of Hindu caste otherwise known for their low status as "toilet cleaners". Yet nothing happens to Charley because of her skin colour. Whilst if a caucasian person had behaved in this manner then they would have been thrown out.

 

You also have the head of Commission for Racial Equality Trevor Phillips who complains at the slightest offence including this latest series of Big Brother. Yet in the same week he told a hideously unfunny joke regarding the late Queen Mum & a colestinamy bag. Yet he was quick to condemn Bernard Manning after his death as a racist missing the point that his act was being offensive to every form of nationality, race, sexuality, etc.

 

 

The facts are - we go along with Bush, kiss his arse, and we get suicide bombs.... France and Germany openly oppose the Iraq war and get....... NOTHING, NADA, ZIP... FUKK ALL, and it certainly not as if both of these countries don't have large Muslim population centres of their own (Arabs/North Africans in France, Turks in Germany)...... We SHOULD have backed our European partners instead of the Texas fukkin' Cowboy....... We SHOULD have walked away from this like the Spanish did (no more bombs going off there since they got in a decent Govt that doesn't lie to its people....).

 

Well I've already answered this that I agree with you about the Texas fukkin' cowboy & his gimp boy Bliar. However while our support for the illegal (if not immoral) invasion of Iraq has moved us a hell of a lot nearer the bullseye as a target for attacks. I'm certainly not naive enough to believe that we would not have had any attacks, as Al-Qaeda is an ideology that has no tolerance of any other religion. Therefore these attacks could have still occurred (like the Lockerbie bombing) albeit less frequently on UK soil.

 

However as russt is rightly pointing out we need moderate Muslims to do more.

 

This Saturday is the second anniversary of the murderous attacks on the London transport system that killed 52 travellers and four suicide bombers. It is only thanks to luck, and an apparent lack of expertise on the terrorists' part, that dozens more families are not mourning the loss of their loved ones. The failed car bombs in London, and what seems to have been a suicide attack at Glasgow airport, are an alarming escalation in the campaign being waged by fanatical Islamists principally, for the moment, against this country. So concerned are the counter-terrorist agencies that the threat level has been raised to "critical" - the highest grade, last reached after the July 7 atrocities.

 

It goes without saying that we have a serious problem here. But consider how serious it really is. Although they were only jailed recently, the terrorists who planned to use a fertiliser bomb to target nightclubs and shopping centres were operating in 2003-4, more than a year before the London attacks. So, too, was the jihadi cell led by Dhiren Barot, a hardened and experienced al-Qa'eda operative, whose plot - possibly to detonate a "dirty bomb" - was thwarted only because arrests in Pakistan alerted Western intelligence services to what was going on.

 

Last summer's alleged airline plot, smashed by MI5's Operation Overt, could have caused the most appalling carnage, as well as halting transatlantic flights and leading America to impose even more Draconian travel restrictions than are already in place. The London car bombs, had they gone off, could have killed or maimed many revellers in the heart of the West End. There is a pattern emerging here of good intelligence intercepting a number of conspiracies; of inexperienced, almost exclusively home-grown, terrorists who have yet to acquire the expertise to make each attack work; and of a co-ordinated, al-Qa'eda-inspired campaign that is seeking to ratchet up the scale of the terror every time.

 

What the al-Qa'eda commanders based in the Pakistan border areas want is a "spectacular" attack, and they are getting perilously close to pulling one off. They have evidently created a sophisticated cell structure, using the large Pakistani community living in Britain as cover, because those within it who are prepared to carry out terror attacks can come and go as they please between the two countries.

 

MI5 is watching a lot of these cells, unsure which are false leads and which are the ones that will go live. According to the Security Service, nearly 2,000 Britons linked to al-Qa'eda are under surveillance, and as many as 30 potential terrorist plots are being tracked. We can only assume that the cell that carried out the latest attacks was not under close observation, since its members would have been intercepted before planting their bombs. In other words, despite the extraordinary number of suspects being watched, there will inevitably be potential terrorists of whom MI5 is unaware.

 

But the police and intelligence agencies are only as good as the information they receive. There is an increasingly important role to be played here by the Muslim community. It was notable yesterday that when Alex Salmond, Scotland's First Minister, spoke about the Glasgow attack, he was at pains to say it should not lead to suspicion falling on the Muslim community. "Individuals are responsible for their actions, not communities," he said.

 

Mr Salmond is, of course, correct. To tarnish a whole group of people because of the activities of a few would be wrong. But this approach is too defensive, too apologetic. Instead of bending over backwards to reassure the Muslim community that it is not to blame, political leaders should be actively seeking to recruit its help. In a truly integrated society, we all have a duty to protect each other from those who would destroy it; and the majority of law-abiding Muslims are in the best position to help because, like it or not, the perpetrators live in their communities.

 

The arguments over why a small group of radicalised British Muslims, many of them from good backgrounds and well educated, hate this country so much that they want to inflict serious harm on it have been well rehearsed. Grievances over Iraq or foreign policy in the Middle East are known to be motivating factors, though there are many people who also feel strongly about these issues who do not then use them as justification for mass murder. "Social exclusion" has also been blamed, though many of the conspirators jailed recently have been far from down-trodden, and at least three were university graduates. In any case, the levels of deprivation that would even remotely justify such intense hostility do not exist here.

 

Ed Husain, an ex-jihadist British Muslim, has pointed out in the Daily Telegraph that because Islamists shun all engagement with British democracy, there is a need for politicians to confront the spread of the violent ideology that influenced him before he turned away from it. But it is little good Gordon Brown or the new Home Secretary calling for militant Islam to be faced down unless this message also comes from within the Muslim communities.

 

There are those who fear the continuing terror campaign places Muslims at risk of being scapegoated as a potential fifth column in our midst. But to focus exclusively on what Mr Salmond called the "responsible individuals", it is necessary to know a lot more about where they come from and what they are up to. For that the police and MI5 have to rely on information provided from their neighbours, even their families. Is this forthcoming? Peter Clarke, the head of Scotland Yard's counter-terrorism command, recently alleged that some people were withholding information about the July 7 bombings. "I know it for a fact," he said.

 

Everyone must play his part if this threat is truly to be confronted. Politicians are often too concerned about offending the majority of Muslims, and therefore blind to opportunities to recruit their help. The Government says it wants to win their hearts and minds. This should not be necessary when we are dealing with mass murder. It is their eyes and ears we need.

 

But hey our politically correct media & politicians seem to be too scared to state the obvious.

Mr Salmond is, of course, correct. To tarnish a whole group of people because of the activities of a few would be wrong. But this approach is too defensive, too apologetic. Instead of bending over backwards to reassure the Muslim community that it is not to blame, political leaders should be actively seeking to recruit its help. In a truly integrated society, we all have a duty to protect each other from those who would destroy it; and the majority of law-abiding Muslims are in the best position to help because, like it or not, the perpetrators live in their communities.

 

No, I think Salmond is being very sensible in stating this.... Because it seems very obvious now that the attack on Glasgow Airport was NOT being carried out by the decades-long established Scottish Asian/Islamic community who are incredibly law-abiding and peaceful, but rather by FOREIGN nationals.... And as Craig pointed out, a couple of the 7/7 bombers were Jamaican, the 21/7 bombers were Somalis and Richard Reed was a Caucasian, so what will targetting "Asians" achieve...? I am disinclined to wish to target all Muslims because I vividly remember being eight years old going to my Catholic Primary school and being called a "Feinian IRA b/astard" by the kids who went to the non-denominational school nearby because of the IRA terror attacks... Kinda leaves a bit of an impression that does.....

 

Just as a little side-bar here - How many Irish Catholics living on the Falls Road "grassed up" their friends and relatives TiP...? Not very fukkin' many by my estimation. Doesn't necessarily follow that they approved of what the IRA did, but ultimately "blood is thicker than water", rightly or wrongly. What was it that made otherwise law-abiding young Catholics want to join the Republican cause back in the 70s...? Could it have something to do with "Bloody Sunday" perhaps... "Bloody Sunday" was the main catalyst for "The Troubles" of the 70s and 80s, and you know it, regardless of what went on before. Now we have the illegal war in Iraq, and now large numbers of young Muslims in this country becoming radicalised. 13 people were killed on "Bloody Sunday" and the end result of that was 3000 dead in UK and NI as a result of "The Troubles", 27,000 Iraqis slaughtered by US and UK, just what the hell is THAT going to ultimately result in....? Seriously, just what the fukk have we done here....? Our "leaders" just seem incapable of learning from the mistakes of the past... And there is a LOT more to it than you suggest, the US and UK sat idly by and vetoed UN resolutions against Israel for their treatment of Palestinians, that almost certainly radicalised a lot of people as well... The impression given is that the UN Security Council does not value the lives of Muslims or Arabs, so they have to take matters into their own hands. The Palestinians did put their faith in the International Community at the initial stage TiP, and the International Community FAILED them, hence now we have Hamas, Al Qaeda and Hizbollah, OUR FAULT for not doing something pro-active against Israel IMO... Frankly, I dont give a fukk about Israel and would gladly see that lousy Fascist state dismantled and the land given back to its real owners - the Palestinian Arabs.... The Zionists are just as much of a bunch of fanatics as Bin Laden and his mob.... ALL of these things factor into the present situation we find ourselves in - Israel/Palestine, Iraq, Afghanistan, the sense of alienation that many young Muslims in the UK feel which makes them easy prey for a charismatic Imam or Cleric (in much the same way as young students just left home are vulnerable and pretty easy targets for Cults such as Scientology and The Branch Davidians).... An incredibly dangerous cocktail...

 

And I am well aware of when Hitler did what and when WE declared war, I was merely making a point, Hitler was a threat to the whole of Europe so we naturally had to deal with it, Saddam was no such threat to us or our national security... And, by the way, we had no knowlege of what Hitler was doing to the Jews until much later into the war, it was not our reason for going to war....

5 doctors now arrested :o

And I am well aware of when Hitler did what and when WE declared war, I was merely making a point, Hitler was a threat to the whole of Europe so we naturally had to deal with it, Saddam was no such threat to us or our national security... And, by the way, we had no knowlege of what Hitler was doing to the Jews until much later into the war, it was not our reason for going to war....

 

but sadam had a track record (like the germans did) of agression towards his own (or neighbours). there was real concern that he DID have wmd's... and his refusal to comply fully with the UN inspectors compounded that. imho it was a fair assumption that this unstable dictator with a history of violence WAS hiding something wether or not it was in any dossier. all sadam had to do was comply with the UN inspectors.... thats all... if he had nothing to hide then why shouldnt he have? no, like the nutter he was he chose to make a big deal over it and HE caused the war and subsequent terrorist attacks lay squarely at his door.

 

 

doctors?... wtf?.. i mean.... fantastic, brilliant, how to stir up xenophobia i one easy lesson! if they hate us that much they should FCUK OFF.

but sadam had a track record (like the germans did) of agression towards his own (or neighbours). there was real concern that he DID have wmd's... and his refusal to comply fully with the UN inspectors compounded that. imho it was a fair assumption that this unstable dictator with a history of violence WAS hiding something wether or not it was in any dossier. all sadam had to do was comply with the UN inspectors.... thats all... if he had nothing to hide then why shouldnt he have? no, like the nutter he was he chose to make a big deal over it and HE caused the war and subsequent terrorist attacks lay squarely at his door.

doctors?... wtf?.. i mean.... fantastic, brilliant, how to stir up xenophobia i one easy lesson! if they hate us that much they should FCUK OFF.

 

Then tell me why Hans Blix, the UN Chief Weapons Inspector was AGAINST military action Rob, he said he needed more time, and anyway, Saddam had granted access to the UN Inspections Team in all their facilities, and they had found precisely NOTHING (because there was NOTHING to find...).... Sorry, nothing you are saying squares up, and nothing justifies what we and the Yanks did. And this country isn't continuing to support "unstable dictators" in countries like Burma is it, naaaaaahhhhh (mind you, Burma doesn't have any oil for us, so why should we give a sh!t....? We'll just let their representatives - and the fukkin' Saudis - come along to the Docklands Arms fare and sell them as many weapons as they want to suppress and slaughter thousands MORE of their own people every year. War, death, slaughter - good for business, good for the economy innit...? Let's not concern ourselves too much with such piddling concerns as morality or what's right and wrong...) We didn't get the second resolution, the war was, and our current occupation, is illegal... This country's leaders are War Criminals, and people voted them back in... Sorry, but that makes US complicit in their crimes IMO... I dont blame people for hating this country, hell I hate this country and its Govt, and I aint even a Muslim. This country used to stand for something, we used to have moral backbone, now it stands for nothing and we are spineless moral cowards, laying on our bellies and being America's b**ch, doing whatever the fukkin' Texas Cowboy tells us to... We murder innocent women and children in the most cowardly manner possible, we sponsor brutal dictators in countries like Burma, and then act all surprised and shocked when a few bombs go off... Well, WHAT THE FUKK DID WE THINK WAS GONNA HAPPEN?????? MI5 warned B-liar, the JIC warned B-Liar, The Media warned B-liar, Bin Laden himself warned B-liar....... We went messing around in affairs we had no business in and now we are all paying the price for B-Liar's mistake.... "Ethical Foreign Policy"?? My arse... Robin Cook was the only Nu Labor Cabinet member with any morality and backbone, he OPPOSED the war, and he resigned with great dignity.. Truly he was a man of principle and honour, who actually believed in something... He didn't die of a heart attack, he died of a broken heart when he saw what became of his vision and what became of the Party he loved.....

oh i agree that the UN needed to be 'on side' and the war was illegal, we know now that there werent any wmd's, but sadam didnt give the inspectors freedom to search wherever they want. he acted suspiciously and i dont blame people for being concerned.

 

sadam has won.... he initiated this, he wanted a 'jihad', he knew how the yanks would react and whatever the rights and wrongs of our involvement he got his way.

so.... all of these arrested people work in the nhs! 4 of them are doctors! i mean... how tf does THAT equate?... how can you train for years to become a doctor, saving lives, relieving pain, then plot to kill, maim and hurt innocent people?

 

but think about it.... wont it promote distrust and fear? wont it make it hard to trust other muslim proffessionals?... what about the beloved curry? can we trust it aint poisoned?... extreme views? well i dunno, many more attacks like these and its going to make life here for 99.9% of law abiding muslim/asians very difficult.

Isn't Bin-Laden's second in command a doctor? Can't remember his name. Wee Egyptian guy with specs. :arrr:

so.... all of these arrested people work in the nhs! 4 of them are doctors! i mean... how tf does THAT equate?... how can you train for years to become a doctor, saving lives, relieving pain, then plot to kill, maim and hurt innocent people?

 

but think about it.... wont it promote distrust and fear? wont it make it hard to trust other muslim proffessionals?... what about the beloved curry? can we trust it aint poisoned?... extreme views? well i dunno, many more attacks like these and its going to make life here for 99.9% of law abiding muslim/asians very difficult.

 

 

Thank you for putting me off from eating curries :o

so.... all of these arrested people work in the nhs! 4 of them are doctors! i mean... how tf does THAT equate?... how can you train for years to become a doctor, saving lives, relieving pain, then plot to kill, maim and hurt innocent people?

 

but think about it.... wont it promote distrust and fear? wont it make it hard to trust other muslim proffessionals?... what about the beloved curry? can we trust it aint poisoned?... extreme views? well i dunno, many more attacks like these and its going to make life here for 99.9% of law abiding muslim/asians very difficult.

 

Well, from what I heard, at least one of these guys who plotted this was an Iraqi himself.... SOOOOO, if it actually transpires that that this bloke had family members killed by US and British bombs during our own "Shock and Awe" terrorist attack, wont that just be fukkin' grand (mind you, not that I'm confident such information will be forthcoming, it would likely be suppressed by the Govt, wouldn't actually want to imply that these "monsters" might actually have a powerful motive now would we, a dead relative killed by us would just make him look like too much like an ordinary bloke driven mad by grief wouldn't it....? Cant have that, can we....?) <_<, and frankly I wouldn't really blame him for wanting to take revenge on us, I would, and you're a bloody liar if you try and say that you wouldn't want to yourself... Two others are said to be of Palestinian origin as well, so again there, likely pretty strong reasons and motives for hating the West's guts.... And frankly, I dont see what difference it makes if they are Doctors or Medical Students or not....

 

I work with young Muslim folks, I have no problems trusting them whatsoever, and I have no problems going with my mates to Brick Lane for the best curries in London. YOU, my friend, are totally fukkin' paranoid and are just living in fear..... EXACTLY what this Govt wants......

Thank you for putting me off from eating curries :o

 

Mate, dont listen to that paranoid "Tabloid" editorial guff that Rob is spouting... Continue to enjoy your curries, I know I will.... :lol:

we sponsor brutal dictators in countries like Burma,

 

shouldn't this read "we sponsor brutal doctors in countries like Scotland"?

 

I think EVERY practising Muslim in the United Kingdom must now be vetted - thoroughly - whatever their profession.

 

This 'enemy within' business needs to stop.

 

If you're here and you sympathise with the terrorist actions... well, the world's a big place - disappear to another part of it, please, Great Britain has no room for you right now.

shouldn't this read "we sponsor brutal doctors in countries like Scotland"?

 

I think EVERY practising Muslim in the United Kingdom must now be vetted - thoroughly - whatever their profession.

 

This 'enemy within' business needs to stop.

 

If you're here and you sympathise with the terrorist actions... well, the world's a big place - disappear to another part of it, please, Great Britain has no room for you right now.

 

The first paragraph is an utter cheap shot Russ and you know it... As if anyone in the Scottish NHS system could've predicted what was about to happen....

 

Your last paragraph is typical tabloid c**p... "If you aint on board with the Govt and the 'war on terror' and support the invasion of Iraq, then obviously you MUST be a Terrorist or a Terrorist sympathiser yourself", yeah...? BOLLOCKS mate... God forbid any of us actually be a bit fukkin' critical of the West's disgusting hypocrisy, and actually see there's a reason for all of this sh!t actually happening. I was (and still am) a supporter of the Irish Republican cause, I believe Ireland should be united and that Britain should fukk off out of there, suppose that makes me an IRA terrorist then, yeah....? <_<

 

And I repeat, if this Iraqi bloke's had relatives killed by us, then it DOES give him a reason, like it or not mate..... Mind you, I think that the fact that we are ILLEGALLY OCCUPYING HIS FUKKIN' COUNTRY is pretty good reason in itself tbh.....

 

And your second paragraph is just utterly ridiculous, unworkable and impractical...... As if every practicing Irish Catholic was "thoroughly vetted" during the 70s and 80s when they went for jobs as sodding cleaners or supermarket cashiers ffs.......

Scott,

 

your posts almost always (seriously) border on the offensive. This time, you're OVER the acceptable border. Tabloid c**p indeed... excuse yourself. I certainly won't be excusing you. Your last post to me was pathetic, Scott, a pretty lame and laughable exercise in your ever- increasing political correctness campaign. And quite frankly, it's worn paper thin and ever more ludicrous with each day.

 

Your 'right on' attitude is at best ridiculous, your reasonings extremely shaky..... and whilst surely everyone in their right minds think the Iraq invasion was a travesty, I at the same time don't think anyone in their right minds would, right now, be trying to defend and justify the actions of these terrorists like you seem to be desperately attempting in every single post you make.

 

I suggest you put a few members of your family in the firing line of one of these fanatical terrorist attacks, let's get personal here..... then... maybe only then, Scott, you will realise your rhetoric and streams of posts are as empty as George Bush's head...... you're saying what you think is the politically correct thing to say..... not the 'right' thing to say.

 

And it's becoming rather tedious, Scott....

 

 

Scott,

 

your posts almost always (seriously) border on the offensive. This time, you're OVER the acceptable border. Tabloid c**p indeed... excuse yourself. I certainly won't be excusing you. Your last post to me was pathetic, Scott, a pretty lame and laughable exercise in your ever- increasing political correctness campaign. And quite frankly, it's worn paper thin and ever more ludicrous with each day.

 

Your 'right on' attitude is at best ridiculous, your reasonings extremely shaky..... and whilst surely everyone in their right minds think the Iraq invasion was a travesty, I at the same time don't think anyone in their right minds would, right now, be trying to defend and justify the actions of these terrorists like you seem to be desperately attempting in every single post you make.

 

I suggest you put a few members of your family in the firing line of one of these fanatical terrorist attacks, let's get personal here..... then... maybe only then, Scott, you will realise your rhetoric and streams of posts are as empty as George Bush's head...... you're saying what you think is the politically correct thing to say..... not the 'right' thing to say.

 

And it's becoming rather tedious, Scott....

 

Frankly mate, I dont care if you find my posts "offensive" or not, I dont care if you think I'm being "politically correct" or not either... I am EXPRESSING AN OPINION WHICH I HAVE EVERY FUKKIN' RIGHT TO DO...... You're making the typical mistake here of thinking that I think that it's okay for terrorists to bomb us, I dont, I just actually realise there is an actual reason for it happening, it is not "mindless" as you seem to think, there IS a motive, there IS a reason, just as the IRA had a motive and reason for their bombing campaign. You're in total self-denial, like B-Liar and his cronies, if you cant see the reasons for all this sh"t happening....

 

And I am MYSELF already in the bloody firing line you pillock, I live about 10 minutes away from the centre of London, so dont try and make out that I dont realise the ramifications of all this... I bloody well DO realise the ramifications, that is the very reason I am so bloody PISSED OFF ABOUT IT, trust me, this is VERY PERSONAL.... If a dirty bomb went off tomorrow I AM A FUKKIN DEAD DUCK MATE..... And I am unbelievably angry at this fukkin' War Criminal Govt for painting a bloody great target on me, my friends and every other Londoner WITHOUT OUR FUKKIN' CONSENT......

 

To quote the band L7 from their song "Wargasm" - "Wave those flags high in the air/as long as it takes place over there".. Yeah, we dont mind wreaking carnage on others, but as soon as it hits us we're all "oh my fukkin' GOD" about it.....

scott... what i was trying to do is consider the ramifications of having people, proffessional people working amongst us, people who we trust, that could be plotting to kill us. it aint about tabloid headline c**p.. i dont read 'em! i dont think the local curry house is going to poison us...lol.. but im highlighting the fact that bombers arnt always some shadowy figures skulking in the shadows on the edge of society.