I think I created the BEST thread ever :funky:

scott..... i wasnt on about sorting, although how hard can that be?

 

Again, showing your complete ignorance of the job mate.... MY point, and my challenge to you, still stands, try it out, see if you think it's easy.... The reason why I dont bother to address your point is simply because you dont really have a serious one to make, you're just making false assumptions about ALL Royal Mail employees and showing very little knowledge.. In short, your "point" is not worthy of reply....

 

There was a few cases recently in this area where some posties were hiding the mail in their houses cause they couldn't be bothered delivering it. I mean come on, if you can't hack this complex job then get a simpler one like collecting trolleys for a supermarket. There was even a case where one guy actually reposted them in a pillar box cause he couldn't be bothered. :lol:

 

Well, I look at it this way, Royal Mail is a national company that employs well over 100,000 staff, so naturally you're gonna get the odd bad apples, lazy or incompetent staff when you look at it like this.... There was one kid in my office who also binned mail, only he was selective about it, he only binned the Junk Mail - you know, the mail shots, leaflets and other general c**p that really no sod actually WANTS (seriously, if I had a quid for every time a customer on my delivery route said to me "bloody junk mail again" I'd've been earning about double my wages every week.... :lol: ). We all wondered just how this kid was doing his delivery in under two hours.... :lol: :lol:, he binned the junk and only delivered proper mail, which obviously meant he only had about half the stuff to deliver (seriously, over 50% of mail Posties deliver is unsolicited c**p that no one actually wants)..... We all thought it was fukkin' hilarious tbh... The guy got the sack, but in some ways I actually respected him for having the balls to do it just to prove a point - ie, the job would be a lot less hassle if Posties weren't inundated with Junk Mail and only had to deliver stuff people actually needed or wanted....

 

So, I guess what I'm saying is, that it's easy to show off a lot of outrage about Posties "binning mail", but I say that it kinda depends on what they're binning... If my Postie only binned the Junk and the unsolicited c**p, well, I seriously doubt I'd give a fukk, it saves ME from chucking it out, put it that way..... :lol: I've actually left instructions at my delivery office to return unsolicited c**p back to the source (YES folks, you CAN actually do this......)

Again, showing your complete ignorance of the job mate.... MY point, and my challenge to you, still stands, try it out, see if you think it's easy.... The reason why I dont bother to address your point is simply because you dont really have a serious one to make, you're just making false assumptions about ALL Royal Mail employees and showing very little knowledge.. In short, your "point" is not worthy of reply....

 

then TELL ME what makes being a postie so bloody difficult <_<. for the life of me i cant see where any brainpower comes into play! surely putting the correct letters in the correct boxes aint fcukin rocket science...

then TELL ME what makes being a postie so bloody difficult <_<. for the life of me i cant see where any brainpower comes into play! surely putting the correct letters in the correct boxes aint fcukin rocket science...

 

There's a load of different things to take into account, you might be delivering in an unfamiliar area, you might be delivering a Priority Item, you might be delivering a Jury or Courts summons (hence the need to sign the Official Secrets Act...), you might have a hundred or so sodding "Harry Potter" books to deliver :lol: :lol: , a degree of brainpower DOES come into play, it's never quite the same job from one day to the next regardless of whether you have a regular route or not.... Tell me what's so "rocket science" about mowing a fukkin' lawn or painting a few lines on an athletics track then Rob...... If you're gonna patronise Posties, then I'm gonna patronise what you do...... <_<

There's a load of different things to take into account, you might be delivering in an unfamiliar area, you might be delivering a Priority Item, you might be delivering a Jury or Courts summons (hence the need to sign the Official Secrets Act...), you might have a hundred or so sodding "Harry Potter" books to deliver :lol: :lol: , a degree of brainpower DOES come into play, it's never quite the same job from one day to the next regardless of whether you have a regular route or not.... Tell me what's so "rocket science" about mowing a fukkin' lawn or painting a few lines on an athletics track then Rob...... If you're gonna patronise Posties, then I'm gonna patronise what you do...... <_<

i never claimed that cutting grass was intellectually challenging... nor painting lines on sports pitches, once youve measured them out of course, a job which is far more challenging to do accurately and quickly then sticking letters through a box! deliver in an unfamiliar area?... so what? get a friggin a-z and plot your route.... whats the problem?

 

sorry, but im not convinced that postying is anything other then mundane with the minimum of brain power required, and my criticism of the incompetance of posting the wrong letters through eachothers letterboxes stands. christ i even got one delivered for a fcukin PUB! sorry but my house looks NOTHING like 'the red lion'...lol

deliver in an unfamiliar area?... so what? get a friggin a-z and plot your route.... whats the problem?

 

Yeah, because of COURSE a street in an a-z bears anything like a resemblance to the actual street when you're on the ground, because of course an a-z is gonna have the locations of every house on the street innit....? An A-Z is a rough guide at best... And you cant exactly plan a route when you're a temp "floater" and you dont actually know what delivery you may be doing from one day to the next, your bosses only tell you literally ON THE DAY what area you might be doing, so no time to really plan.... Mate, this arguement is reductive, you have no real clue about which you speak of, that's very obvious to me. I will be ignoring your posts on this matter from now on because you clearly just dont get it....

 

Yeah, because of COURSE a street in an a-z bears anything like a resemblance to the actual street when you're on the ground, because of course an a-z is gonna have the locations of every house on the street innit....? An A-Z is a rough guide at best... And you cant exactly plan a route when you're a temp "floater" and you dont actually know what delivery you may be doing from one day to the next, your bosses only tell you literally ON THE DAY what area you might be doing, so no time to really plan.... Mate, this arguement is reductive, you have no real clue about which you speak of, that's very obvious to me. I will be ignoring your posts on this matter from now on because you clearly just dont get it....

 

 

Yes but most houses, flats etc have numbers on so how do you explain them putting letters in the wrong houses?

Yes but most houses, flats etc have numbers on so how do you explain them putting letters in the wrong houses?

 

My point is that a REGULAR Postie would tend not to make mistakes (or at least very, very rarely), the mistakes are being made by guys who are "floaters" and temps, people who aren't going to be on the same route every day, and who may just be covering for the regular postie when it's their day off or are on holiday, sick, whatever... Almost every time I came back from a holiday, my customers were relieved to see me back on the route cos the "floater" was making mistakes... It's not easy for people who are on different deliveries every day or every week, and you are a bloody fool if you think it is. I started off like that before I got a regular round, it's nothing to do with whether there are numbers on the door or not, tiredness, stress, frustration if you cant find an address, getting lost, etc, all plays a factor in making mistakes.... You think this sh!t is easy....? I say to you what I say to Rob, try it out for yourself, be a temp Postie for a fortnight or so, I bet it'll drive you almost up the fukkin' wall....

Yes but you're missing my point. Surely even a floater can see that a letter for No.2 goes in No.2 and NOT No.4. I've done the job so know what it's like. If the letters are clearly addressed and houses are numbered how do you explain our guy putting them in next door's all the way down the road?

I know some streets are more difficult than others but all the houses here clearly have numbers so there's no excuse. Putting a letter addressed to No.2 in No.2 is hardly rocket science is it? They're either blind, can't read numbers or totally stupid.

Edited July 11, 200718 yr by coolchris

Yeah, because of COURSE a street in an a-z bears anything like a resemblance to the actual street when you're on the ground, because of course an a-z is gonna have the locations of every house on the street innit....? An A-Z is a rough guide at best... And you cant exactly plan a route when you're a temp "floater" and you dont actually know what delivery you may be doing from one day to the next, your bosses only tell you literally ON THE DAY what area you might be doing, so no time to really plan.... Mate, this arguement is reductive, you have no real clue about which you speak of, that's very obvious to me. I will be ignoring your posts on this matter from now on because you clearly just dont get it....

 

eh?... i cant speak for londinium, but derbys a-z is perfectly understandable and is very accurate, find the street and look.. the houses have numbers on them!!! you can easily plot your route and i suspect that the royal mail would supply some form of route map anyway even for a temp. what is so fcukin difficult about walking down a road and putting the correct letters through the corresponding doors?

 

you see... for all your blagging you have failed to actually address this issue!! its matters not wether its a temp or a long serving postie... read the fcukin address and put it in the right letterbox!

 

again you are 'down with the management' 'up with the poor workers' ... you always do that, it is your default settings :). there may well be a poor management structure at the royal mail, but that doesnt excuse incompetancy of the worker who doesnt read the letter properly. there is NO excuse for that.

 

if i turned up at a customers house and mowed next doors grass i wouldnt get paid...

 

how can i "not have a clue" when im getting someone elses mail?.. im complaining about incompetancy and this is a regular occurance.

i suspect that the royal mail would supply some form of route map anyway even for a temp.

 

Actually, you're wrong yet AGAIN.... I got nothing like that from management... Something like that would take far too much effort on their part..... -_-

 

Yes, there are incompetent, lazy workers who do fukk things up, but mistakes are made by NON-incompetent and NON-lazy staff members as well on occasion... It's so incredibly easy to make a mistake and not even realise it, it would seriously make your head spin if you just realised HOW easy it was....

 

Bottom line is, as bad as some workers may be, they're nowhere near as bad as some of the top managers who really DID totally fukk up the service with their "changes"..... Continually hiring temps on short-term contracts is NOT a way to run the service, and it is the chief reason why mistakes are continually being made, there should be a regular postie doing a regular route, end of story, this whole "chuck different guys on from one week to the next" idea is just a load of bullsh!t and it clearly is NOT WORKING. I saw a C4 documentary about it a few years back, and they had these Nigerian guys from some temp agency who had no fukkin' idea what they were doing because no bugger thought to actually train them or even show them what to do, not the management and not their colleagues either (well, not that it's really their fellow worker's responsibility to actually TRAIN new members of staff, but still, they could've helped out a little bit, I'd always try to help out a newbie who was having a bit of a hard time, especially if it was on a walk that I knew...) THAT really makes me fukkin' angry much more than any mistakes an individual Postie might make..... One of the things I actually complained about when I was living in Hackney was the lack of training those guys were receiving, I interrogated a line manager on it down the phone once, he had no real answer for me, in fact he was sh!tting himself because now he was dealing with an informed member of the public, an ex-Postie no less who knew what he was talking about :lol: .... I KNOW the sort of training they should be getting, and from conversations I had with the (many) posties who were on my route in Hackney it was blatantly obvious to me that they were not getting it..... So, yeah, Rob, you're DAMN RIGHT I'm on the side of the working man or woman, especially when they're being shafted and things aint being done that should be getting done.... Have you even bothered to talk to any of your Posties...? Bet you haven't......

 

Most of these things that people are talking about and complaining about that are happening now were not really an issue a decade or so back when Royal Mail was run as a PUBLIC FUKKIN' SERVICE..... <_< <_< <_<

..... Continually hiring temps on short-term contracts is NOT a way to run the service, and it is the chief reason why mistakes are continually being made, there should be a regular postie doing a regular route, end of story,

 

Most of these things that people are talking about and complaining about that are happening now were not really an issue a decade or so back when Royal Mail was run as a PUBLIC FUKKIN' SERVICE..... <_< <_< <_<

 

and on that we concur.. :)

 

For the record there is a postal strike tomorrow. :rolleyes:

For the record there is a postal strike tomorrow. :rolleyes:

 

oh lord... whats their gripe now?...

oh lord... whats their gripe now?...

 

It's not a different "gripe" Rob, it's exactly the same one as before, management trying to give them a below-inflation pay increase which is pretty much worthless in real terms, and they're not having it. Good on them say I, management routinely award themselves pay rises and ludicrous bonuses which go WAY beyond inflation rates..... The company's requested £1.2 bn off the Govt and now claim they cant affort to give employees a pay rise in line with inflation... Bullsh!t....

 

Oh, and there's the small matter of 30-40,000 job cuts.... Like THAT wont affect the service even further.....

 

Personally, I prefer the idea of a series of 24-hour strikes to just one prolonged one... At least people are only inconvienienced for the one day rather than indefinitely.....

well i agree that if management award themselves huge payrises they shouldnt expect the workers to accept less.

 

i thought the job cuts were due to new technology making certain tasks redundant.. that is progress unfortunately (if its true). (remember wapping?) and the fact that the royal mail has lost some big delivery contracts, like amazon now going to dhl... i think.

 

i dont agree that strikes are the best way foreward, i mean, they are penalising the customers which are the very ones who shouldnt be punished. the management dont give a $h!t wether i get my cheques on time or tomorrow, but i do.

well i agree that if management award themselves huge payrises they shouldnt expect the workers to accept less.

 

i thought the job cuts were due to new technology making certain tasks redundant.. that is progress unfortunately (if its true). (remember wapping?) and the fact that the royal mail has lost some big delivery contracts, like amazon now going to dhl... i think.

 

i dont agree that strikes are the best way foreward, i mean, they are penalising the customers which are the very ones who shouldnt be punished. the management dont give a $h!t wether i get my cheques on time or tomorrow, but i do.

 

Strikes are the only recourse that workers have though Rob, the threat to remove labour does damage the management's position... It's unfortunate that customers have to suffer, but the way I see it customers are workers themselves by and large and would not be willing to put up with being exploited any more than the Posties would, so there should be some sense of solidarity and support there.... Workers should NOT have to tolerate being shat upon, so therefore the removal of labour is the only thing a worker can do to put pressure on management... You cannot negotiate with people who refuse to even sit in the same room and talk with you, which is exactly what is going on.. The big bosses at Royal Mail seem to think a 20 minute "Conference Call" on video phone where neither party is even in the same building is the same thing as an intensive bout of collective bargaining.....

 

And frankly, I dont see how shedding almost 40,000 jobs will in any way improve the service at all, technology cannot actually deliver the mail into people's front doors ffs (or have they got some sort of "robotic postie" or summat...?). Even the actual sorting still has to be done manually when it gets to a certain stage, machines cannot actually accurately separate the mail into specific mail routes.... I should know, I routinely had "Code Sorted" bundles of mail about half of which was for another several Posties' routes and vice versa.... Technology is not the be all and end all the management makes it out to be, dont believe the hype.....

 

As for the whole cheque thing, don't you mainly do work at schools or summat Rob...? That means you'll be paid by LEAs correct...? Well, you can insist that LEAs pay directly into your bank account... One or two LEAs have tried to force me to take a cheque, but I point-blank refused them saying that BACS is the way I wanted paid cos a sodding cheque takes about 5 fukkin' days to clear, as well as the fact that I know all the things that can go wrong with the Postal system as well... The whole "cheque through the post" thing is dreadfully old hat now I feel (and hardly very secure unless it's sent through "Special Delivery" next day..), especially in this day and age of Electronic Money Transfers, BACS, Direct Debits, etc.... Just refuse a cheque mate, citing that you dont trust the Postal system.... :lol:

The posties are digging their own grave though Scott

 

A business customer seeing the postmen on strike is going to switch to UPS or DHL or whatever which will result in even more loss of revenue and loss of even more jobs, the management won't be hurt by businesses switching to private firms the posties themselves will so the more they go on strike the more they are going to p*** off their customers