'The mainstream attitude of most indie bands is a bigger problem than global warming' article

 

do you agree with the statements in these pages??

The thing that makes me laugh about all this that Ryan Jarman is saying at the moment is the fact that I witnessed him start this whole 'stopping the commercialisation of Indie music' at THE O2 WIRELESS FESTIVAL on the back of a top 20 single and album :lol:

 

"Indie" IS the mainstream right now but some people forget that it's NOT a genre and it's to describe bands on independant labels, a lot of these mainstream bands like Snow Patrol and Kaiser Chiefs are on MAJOR labels thus not making them indie but as just as POP as the rest of the stuff that's out at the moment.

 

On the subject of The Cribs though I prefer their old albums to their new one.

"Indie" IS the mainstream right now but some people forget that it's NOT a genre and it's to describe bands on independant labels, a lot of these mainstream bands like Snow Patrol and Kaiser Chiefs are on MAJOR labels thus not making them indie but as just as POP as the rest of the stuff that's out at the moment.

 

Indie no longer means being on an independent label and hasn't for years. It is now practically interchangeable with the term alternative. For evidence of this see that t*** Emily's use of the term on Big Brother!

It is now practically interchangeable with the term alternative.

Still seems ironic that the alternative is now the mainstream...:lol:

imo , the statement is not about the labels & the sales...it has to do more with the attitude of uk bands...a few bands these days make the difference (f.e.arctics)...so i quite agree with that funny statement...i m bored with all these boring "i wanna be the new u2/liberines/whatever" band

 

the first wave of britpop was much more interesting

Indie no longer means being on an independent label and hasn't for years. It is now practically interchangeable with the term alternative. For evidence of this see that t*** Emily's use of the term on Big Brother!

That's the problem.. it's now becoming so sanitised that people like her are liking it and thinking it's 'new' etc -_- Ironic as it's popularity was basically a reaction to the sanitised c**p produced by Simon Cowell etc.

 

So in a way they DO have a point.

The Cribs only have exposure because they've ridden the coat-tails of the Kaiser Chiefs for the past few years and because their friendship with the NME means they get interviews. I wish he'd named names as that would give a better idea of whom his rage is aimed at. What's the point in aiming a broadside at Snow Patrol, The Killers, Kate Nash or Jack Penate? You might as well have a go at Simply Red*

 

* - yes indeed! Remember Mick used to be with the Frantic Elevators and was allegedly at that famous Sex Pistols gig at the Manchester Free Trade Hall.

You might as well have a go at Simply Red*

 

* - yes indeed! Remember Mick used to be with the Frantic Elevators and was allegedly at that famous Sex Pistols gig at the Manchester Free Trade Hall.

 

yeah and a good film quote from 24hPP.

 

btw isnt there supposed to be vid footage of him there that Granada filmed for So It Goes (or something like that with Tony Wilson)??? in addition to the film recreation???

 

actually I noticed that the Frantic Elevators were on this random punk compilation a few months back and was thinking of starting a topic in the punk section with the headline 'Mick Hucknell...' & '...is on this album!!!' in the main thread but when i thought about it i thought he might look too punk towards 95% of those American disney-punk bands you might find in there or on the latest horror movie soundtrack :lol: :lol:

 

and anyway if we had a go at Mick Hucknell, you would have to have a go at other soul/jazz/funkers like jamiroquai, brand new heavies, mother earth, cordroy, galliano and just jack :lol: :lol:, well if you wanna start dude :lol: :lol:

 

btw i have been listening to the cribs today. it was a cd/dvd double limited edition tor pack. which obv could be seen quite a major label tactic.

Indie no longer means being on an independent label and hasn't for years. It is now practically interchangeable with the term alternative. For evidence of this see that t*** Emily's use of the term on Big Brother!

 

 

You're righte there mate, unfortunately... The misappropriation of the term "Indie" is like a red rag to a bull to me, seriously... Cos I come from a background of listening to Rough Trade, Factory, Wiiija, Sub-Pop, 4AD and Creation bands - ie, stuff like The Smiths, New Order, Happy Mondays, Joy Division, Therapy?, Mudhoney, Sonic Youth, Dinosaur Jr, Pixies, Pavement, Fugazi, Big Black, Stone Roses, Nirvana, Jesus and Mary Chain, Cocteau Twins, My Bloody Valentine, Ride, Lush, Ned's Atomic Dustbin, PWEI, Gaye Bykers on Acid...... I could go on, but you get the idea..... Okay, a fair few of these bands did go on to sign to major labels, but they all released at least ONE album on an Indie, so they still come from an Independent background at the very least, unlike the vast majority of today's so-called "Indie" bands who have never released so much as a single on an Independent label....

 

Not sure if the commericalization of a musical genre is a bigger problem than the potential destruction of the PLANET... :lol: :lol: , but I do agree that it's something that should never have been allowed to happen... But, frankly, The sodding Cribs are part of the problem, not really the solution....

Heh, don't think Ned's Atomic Dustbin have released an album on an indie label...yet!

 

Well, suppose you could count 'Bite' as a roundup of their Chapter 22 days...

 

But yes, 'indie' became a catch-all for guitar bands back in the late 80s / early 90s because it was largely only floppy-haired guitar fuzzniks that were on them. Most people's first experience of the word 'indie' (mine certainly) would have been through the ITV Chart Show's indie chart.

 

I never understood then how Erasure and The KLF fitted in...also, why did they never include PWL tracks on the indie chart?

 

But yeah, I guess that's it.

 

For the record, Oasis began the rot and The Verve killed it completely...both on independent labels at the time :)

Heh, don't think Ned's Atomic Dustbin have released an album on an indie label...yet!

 

Well, suppose you could count 'Bite' as a roundup of their Chapter 22 days...

 

But yes, 'indie' became a catch-all for guitar bands back in the late 80s / early 90s because it was largely only floppy-haired guitar fuzzniks that were on them. Most people's first experience of the word 'indie' (mine certainly) would have been through the ITV Chart Show's indie chart.

 

I never understood then how Erasure and The KLF fitted in...also, why did they never include PWL tracks on the indie chart?

 

But yeah, I guess that's it.

 

For the record, Oasis began the rot and The Verve killed it completely...both on independent labels at the time :)

 

I was actually thinking of the "Bite" compilation.. Ned's had an Indie background, it's their roots...

 

The KLF could easily be included as "Indie", there was a fair bit of cross-over between Indie and Dance/Rave at the time, and The KLF never really fitted in quite so easily to the whole Dance thing.... Erasure, I'm frankly mystified by.. I suppose the reason why PWL stuff wasn't included was because most of it hardly even qualified as MUSIC, let alone "Indie" music.... :lol: :lol:

 

And, yeah, like you, I do blame Oasis and The Verve for effectively destroying Indie.... But weren't The Verve on Hut Records....? Which was some major label offshoot....? :unsure:

Aha, now this was my point. Erasure were on Mute records so had as much right to be in the indie chart than Depeche Mode. KLF were on the KLF label which was obviously independent. But the chart show never put Kylie in the rundown, even though she was frequently the highest selling proper indie artist. Ditto for acts on Warp like LFO or The Prodigy on XL. It was rather selective...

 

Bands like James (Fontana) and The Wonder Stuff (Polydor) were missed out despite sounding a lot like those who were on there e.g. The Levellers (China).

Hut was definitely an indie label to begin with. The Auteurs and Verve being their flagship acts.

 

This is the thing though, Creation had an affiliation to Sony etc.

dont know why you are so bothered about distrib and labels, more to do with authenticity, and the creativity they stand for and behind it.

 

with any genre, any major label will buy in to it if they can make a dollar or two, and if theyve got the money they will buy smaller labels or themselves and anyway everythings different from the uk to worldwide innit (however obv #1 in the billboard charts not v alternative if its based on airplay)?

 

 

You're righte there mate, unfortunately... The misappropriation of the term "Indie" is like a red rag to a bull to me, seriously... Cos I come from a background of listening to Rough Trade, Factory, Wiiija, Sub-Pop, 4AD and Creation bands - Okay, a fair few of these bands did go on to sign to major labels, but they all released at least ONE album on an Indie, so they still come from an Independent background at the very least, unlike the vast majority of today's so-called "Indie" bands who have never released so much as a single on an Independent label....

 

well when people talk about labels like Factory, 4AD, Rough Trade (do we include blanco y negro at this point???) and Creation its not really just the bands that people are talking bout, its more to do with a vision of a singular person most times, whether its a Tony Wilson and Geoff Travis or Alan McGee, its part of the 'mythology' of them even tho they might be funded by god knows who. I suppose you could include ranson in this group but obv thats like a company = one man religion at a great scale now innit???

 

 

I was actually thinking of the "Bite" compilation.. Ned's had an Indie background, it's their roots...

 

The KLF could easily be included as "Indie", there was a fair bit of cross-over between Indie and Dance/Rave at the time, and The KLF never really fitted in quite so easily to the whole Dance thing.... Erasure, I'm frankly mystified by.. I suppose the reason why PWL stuff wasn't included was because most of it hardly even qualified as MUSIC, let alone "Indie" music.... :lol: :lol:

 

i dont know why you get so bothered about Pete Waterman's stuff, its pop fluff leave it in the pop section. obv its not a great work of art, but its not supposed to be, its cheesy pop. full stop. its not like saying 'we are some great singer-songwriter and we are here to change the world with our acoustic strumming' and then just kinda inflicting mass bordoms on the word, it does it job for that kinda demographic who then it can throw it away/or do whatever they want with it. tbh seems to be an easy target because of primetime tv. and compared to the power ballads countdown on tmf and some of the other $h!t that was played on the hits over the weekend some of their stuff was not that bad*

 

 

* well the kylie stuff obv, Brother Beyond's p***-take of Tamla Motown - yeah total $h!t, a $h!ttyness which could be only eclipsed by a Joss Stone transvestite tribute band :lol: :lol:

 

http://content.answers.com/main/content/img/amg/pop_artists/P06635N2T9D.JPG

 

ah well must provide a positive opinion, too much negativity in this thread, so here's a picture of James Morrison to look at :lol: :lol: :lol: Isnt James Morrison totally the most talented dude ever :lol: :lol: such a wonderful singer-songwriter

 

Aha, now this was my point. Erasure were on Mute records so had as much right to be in the indie chart than Depeche Mode. KLF were on the KLF label which was obviously independent.

 

nah, from the sounds of them* maybe the word independent doesnt do them justice

 

(*well obv not the sound of their tunes there not daft punk obv)

 

 

btw did 'top German band' Celebrate The Nun ever chart :lol: :lol: in this indie chart????

 

http://www.scootertrace.ru/celebrate_the_nun/images/celebratethenun.jpg

 

 

But the chart show never put Kylie in the rundown, even though she was frequently the highest selling proper indie artist. Ditto for acts on Warp like LFO or The Prodigy on XL. It was rather selective...

 

When was this??? Was this for all of the 1990s only??? was it random!?!?

 

As some dudes were having exactly the same type conversation on another site like this and one was like the indie chart on chart show had all acts like the smiths and the metal chart had all these comedy hair metallers like areosmith, and the other dude was like 'thats wrong as the indie chart was full of kylie in 1988'

 

 

so maybe youre all right, its like they changed the perametres and one year it was indie dist. and the next year it was alt types and then the next independently indie!!!

 

Bands like James (Fontana) and The Wonder Stuff (Polydor) were missed out despite sounding a lot like those who were on there e.g. The Levellers (China).

 

its quite funny that you mention the fontana label here as thats seen as an 'independent record distributor' in the United States at the moment :lol:

 

from their site

 

Fontana’s mission is to be the premier independent music distribution company. A company where the artist comes first and the labels and their music get an unmatched level of passion and professionalism. We will strive to provide a quality of sales, marketing and backroom services that will exceed the expectations of both our label and retail partners.

 

 

And, yeah, like you, I do blame Oasis and The Verve for effectively destroying Indie.... But weren't The Verve on Hut Records....? Which was some major label offshoot....? :unsure:

Hut was definitely an indie label to begin with. The Auteurs and Verve being their flagship acts.

 

This is the thing though, Creation had an affiliation to Sony etc.

 

Scott is right in this instance dude!!! got to give it to him!!! however as Virgin, Mute and the bit of Chrysalis that wasnt the radio stations (or the echo label) were all taken over by a major EMI, depending on what time this happened you could count Virgin as being one of the first indies (but obv this was pre-punk time when virgin was in hippy land and signed elf like people with lawnmowers on their heads oh and the sex pistols :lol: )

 

http://tubulamarok.free.fr/genesis/peter-gabriel.jpg

 

Hut Records

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

VC Records trading as Hut Records was a record label brand which was started in 1990 as a wholly owned subsidiary of Virgin Records. The label was intended as a boutique label with a select roster. Hut expanded by licensing The Smashing Pumpkins from Caroline Records.

 

Hut Records was discontinued by Virgin Records mid 2004 due to an overhaul of the group, 20% of the artists on Hut were dropped whilst the rest were moved over to other labels within the EMI Records group.

 

Groups or musicians associated with Hut

This is a list of musicians who have at one time been signed to Hut.

 

Acetone

Richard Ashcroft (from Hut to Parlophone)

Birth

The Burn

Neneh Cherry (from Virgin to Hut)

Crackout

Daryll-Ann

Drop Nineteens

Embrace (from Hut to Independiente)

Gomez(from Hut to Independiente)

David Gray

Luke Haines

The Auteurs

Baader Meinhof

Hobotalk

James Iha

Jepp

Jon Spencer Blues Explosion

Marianne Faithfull

David McAlmont

McAlmont & Butler (with Bernard Butler to Chrysalis)

Thieves

Moose

The Music

Neneh Cherry

One Inch Punch

Placebo (from Hut to Virgin)

Revolver

Royal Trux

Smashing Pumpkins

Stephanie Kirkham

Toiling Midgets

Urban Dance Squad

The Verve

Whale

μ-ziq

Toiling Midgets :lol: anyone know these???

Nice pic - Jim Bob is clearly the greatest of the three James Morrisons.

 

Out of interest it was the ITV Chart Show that introduced me to Carter USM, still one of my all-time favourite bands (I'm off to see them for the fourth time at Brixton Academy in November) when they placed 'Rubbish' in the summer of 1990.

Nice pic - Jim Bob is clearly the greatest of the three James Morrisons.

 

Out of interest it was the ITV Chart Show that introduced me to Carter USM, still one of my all-time favourite bands (I'm off to see them for the fourth time at Brixton Academy in November) when they placed 'Rubbish' in the summer of 1990.

 

james morrison and rubbish being placed in a positiv statement, whod thought that :lol: