I thought he gave a pretty balanced account of it - advantages and disadvantages. And it IS seen as a glamorous drug, so...

And it IS seen as a glamorous drug, so...

 

It is time it wasn't

 

I don't have an addictive personality so was ok but someone with an addictive personality can become hooked on the stuff then there is the EVIL crack which is a variation of cocaine that KILLS people, I have seen people hooked on cocaine, I have seen from first hand experience people who's lives have been ruined by drug addicts robbing them of money to buy another fix of cocaine or crack, I have seen lives destroyed by drugs

 

Trust me it is not glamourous mate it really is not

 

 

2 words

 

1st word Daniella

 

2nd word Westbrook

 

http://www.s-o-l-i-d.com/images%205/westbrook.jpg

 

Cocaine is not so great Russ

 

i never believed that pic... look, its been blacked out rather poorly.

the reason some celebs take drugs is because they are over whelmed by the fame. It has all gone to their head.

are drugs such a bad thing?.... havnt many great peices of music been written by junkies? ok it hasnt worked on many including doherty, lol, but im not just thinking rock music here. consider the great classical composers and writers of the 18/9 th centuaries... :)

 

Now maybe I'm just being young and naive, but I'm honestly shocked that someone could imply drugs are a good thing because they encourage musical creativity. Oh well, musical creativity, THAT'S alright then. Let's forget all the other impacts drugs have on society...

the reason some celebs take drugs is because they are over whelmed by the fame. It has all gone to their head.

Dear LORD. Yes, that's right. It's clearly only celebs who take drugs.

I shall be nominating you for post of the week ^_^ Have you ever done heroin? (Please dont take offence lol)

 

;) See, we can get on when we try... I think you and me are best off when we avoid discussing music :P

 

Heroin - no.... the whole needle thing I find totally degrading and scuzzy. However, I did - once - smoke some in what i thought was a spliff. Party round at mine, and a friend of a friend had brought another friend - of course, the host gets the pick of anything on offer and I stupidly had a few tokes on this thing.

 

And it was hideous.

 

I threw up loads, felt rough as hell, threw the guy out of my place.... really, really horrible.

 

Vic - not trying to glamorise cocaine - it is glamorous to many people. To me, no (although, it was - and to everyone else I know... to some, it still is - HUGELY glamorous). With drugs, like you - been there, seen it, done it. And that's not being some horrible 'drug bore' - it's the truth, the way it is for me these days (apart from the occasional spliff ;) ).

 

Coke, like champagne, is seen as something the rich high-flyers do - it's a social ladder kind of drug. It's also a drug people will freely admit to taking or have tried - because there's very little social stigma around it. Of course, the tabloids and glossy mags (all of whose journalists and editors are wired 24/7 on cocaine) waggle their fingers at celebs caught with white powder round their nostrils, and gleefully report any celeb taking longer than 5 minutes in a lock-up toilet, but coke, moreso now than ever, is a dangerously 'trendy' drug. It's rife in clubland - from your Yates's wine lodges right through to your Chinawhites and Fabrics. All classes, all walks of life, all professions, all ages.

 

Personally, I think anyone off their face on drugs past a certain age is sad. I didn't give the occasional cocaine, ecstasy or speed adventures up because I was 'addicted' or because I was a skint, hopeless, broken man - I knocked it all on the head because I think being wired in public can be ok in your teens and twenties - not so in your 30s.

 

There is a downside and pitfall with every drug.

 

It's called 'excess'.

 

Hence Ms Westbrook's septum collapsing, Amy totally disintegrating in public, Janis, Sid, Jimi etc ending up in coffins and Nicole Richie and Ms Hilton's attempts at joining the cast for the next series of 'Bad Girls'.

 

It's high-time Britain realised the majority of teens and young adults have tried one drug or another - some more than others, in varying quantities, a variety of types and strengths. It's simply part of people's lives - whether it be the student who drops a pill at weekends, whether it's the city high-flyer who snorts himself silly at the weekend, or whether it's the Company Director who gets a kick having coke blown up his lower regions with a party straw with his callgirls. I'd bet almost all the politicians we'd never think would ever have..... HAVE. It's time to stop brushing the issue unde the carpet, getting all uppity and Daily-Mail about it. Face the issue head-on. Honesty and a no-nonsense approach has to be the way forward.

 

What will 99% of kids/teens/young adults say to "Just Say No"? Just Say Yes, Yes, Yes. Perhaps the approach should be "If You Do Say Yes - Be Careful". I don't know - but what we're doing now - it's not working. I'm all for legalising everything, controlling sales of drugs, making them available for those who want them - in moderation, in safe pharmaceutical environments. This'll never happen, I know - but surely it's better than leaving kids at the mercy of the wolf-like street dealers, selling strychnine off as ecstasy.....?

Now maybe I'm just being young and naive, but I'm honestly shocked that someone could imply drugs are a good thing because they encourage musical creativity. Oh well, musical creativity, THAT'S alright then. Let's forget all the other impacts drugs have on society...

 

my post was somewhat tongue in cheek albeit based in fact. if the writers and composers of classical music/literature didnt do drugs then the world wouldnt be such a rich place.

it's more than a little ironic (and moronic) to make a statement like this when you have a Robbie Williams sig, don't you think? Is he just another drug addict akin with those dying in the gutter?

 

Drug addiction isn't a CHOICE... ANY addiction is an ILLNESS. Unfortunately, we live in a society that simply fails to grasp the severity and true nature of addiction, we either brush it under the carpet or we ridicule the addict.

 

The most crippling of all addictions - alcoholism - is the root cause of so much of this country's problems.

 

 

...and trust me if Robbie was staggering down the street like Amy I would say exactly the same thing!

In the past have been just as vociferous about his drug taking, drinking.

I was even brave enough once to comment that I considered some of his best songs to have been half written by drugs.

 

 

Drug addiction IS a choice ..... nobody has to start taking drugs ... it is common knowledge that heroin is addictive so why even try it once?

 

I, personally, think we live in a society that accepts far too much "it's not my fault"

 

But this is more than about the addiction - all I think when looking to those pictures of Amy is hasn't she got any friends or family or anyone who cares about her. If I saw a friend of mine looking like that I would have to act - and not allow refusal of such help (and I speak from personal experience) I keep reading people saying she needs to sort herself out - she obviously isn't capable of 'sorting' anything out and needs help - not 'friends' selling her story.

 

 

my post was somewhat tongue in cheek albeit based in fact.

 

Well yeah, I missed that, my error.

 

if the writers and composers of classical music/literature didnt do drugs then the world wouldnt be such a rich place.

 

But then that would also be a couple less dealers making money on this, and a little less support for an economy which at the more extreme end also provides illegal substances to kids, helps create drug gangs, etc.

Coke, like champagne, is seen as something the rich high-flyers do - it's a social ladder kind of drug. It's also a drug people will freely admit to taking or have tried - because there's very little social stigma around it. Of course, the tabloids and glossy mags (all of whose journalists and editors are wired 24/7 on cocaine) waggle their fingers at celebs caught with white powder round their nostrils, and gleefully report any celeb taking longer than 5 minutes in a lock-up toilet, but coke, moreso now than ever, is a dangerously 'trendy' drug. It's rife in clubland - from your Yates's wine lodges right through to your Chinawhites and Fabrics. All classes, all walks of life, all professions, all ages.

 

 

I remember a time when Robbie turned round in a press conference who were giving Kate Moss a hard time about her drug addictions and picked out a number of journalists and said to them that they had no right to judge her when he knows that they are no better! I'm not saying that this is a good way of dealing with things, but it certainly highlights what you are saying!

When I was younger I used to love watching This Life on tv - one of the main characters in it - Anna - was a highly highly ambitious lawyer who got caught up in cocaine. This was a BBC programme of the 90s and yet it still stigmatized and associated cocaine with success, money and ambition.

I personally am probably seen as quite square - I avoid drugs - its not for me. I smoke very rarely and have only ever had about 2 joints in my life and never done anything stronger. But then put yourself into any celeb's shoes - Robbie Williams (for example) joined Take That before he'd even left school - so he went from an environment where he was protected and safeguarded from the world to a world where everything is available and there is noone to really look after you. Add into this the fact that you feel insecure as f**k because you don't really know what you're doing. And the drugs are very easily available and you can afford them. It's so easy to start and by then its too late. As ICR said, alcohol is nearly always the start - being drunk easily blurs your intentions/will power or whatever.

Another thing that to me is completely ludicrous is that everyone knows they can get away with it - I mean Lindsay Lohan was caught driving without a license, under the influence of drugs and in possession of cocaine or whatever the charges are and she has been sentenced to one days imprisonment. And that is after they tagged her so they supposedly could prevent her from drinking. And she is not the only one - Nicole Richie was released from prison after just 82 minutes because it was overcrowded (has anyone seen how tiny she is?! It's hardly likely to uncrowd it by removing her!!) Pete Doherty escapes by some absurd loophole. Paris Hilton was released from jail because it was bad for her mental health - she was feeling down or something. THats the most absurd thing - is that not the idea of a prison sentence?! How is this meant to set an example to easily influenced teenagers? To every day people? Both the UK and the US need to get brave and actually do something to try and change all of this.

I also think that drug abuse is very closely linked the rise in Teen Gang Culture and gun/knife crimes.

I remember a time when Robbie turned round in a press conference who were giving Kate Moss a hard time about her drug addictions and picked out a number of journalists and said to them that they had no right to judge her when he knows that they are no better! I'm not saying that this is a good way of dealing with things, but it certainly highlights what you are saying!

When I was younger I used to love watching This Life on tv - one of the main characters in it - Anna - was a highly highly ambitious lawyer who got caught up in cocaine. This was a BBC programme of the 90s and yet it still stigmatized and associated cocaine with success, money and ambition.

I personally am probably seen as quite square - I avoid drugs - its not for me. I smoke very rarely and have only ever had about 2 joints in my life and never done anything stronger. But then put yourself into any celeb's shoes - Robbie Williams (for example) joined Take That before he'd even left school - so he went from an environment where he was protected and safeguarded from the world to a world where everything is available and there is noone to really look after you. Add into this the fact that you feel insecure as f**k because you don't really know what you're doing. And the drugs are very easily available and you can afford them. It's so easy to start and by then its too late. As ICR said, alcohol is nearly always the start - being drunk easily blurs your intentions/will power or whatever.

Another thing that to me is completely ludicrous is that everyone knows they can get away with it - I mean Lindsay Lohan was caught driving without a license, under the influence of drugs and in possession of cocaine or whatever the charges are and she has been sentenced to one days imprisonment. And that is after they tagged her so they supposedly could prevent her from drinking. And she is not the only one - Nicole Richie was released from prison after just 82 minutes because it was overcrowded (has anyone seen how tiny she is?! It's hardly likely to uncrowd it by removing her!!) Pete Doherty escapes by some absurd loophole. Paris Hilton was released from jail because it was bad for her mental health - she was feeling down or something. THats the most absurd thing - is that not the idea of a prison sentence?! How is this meant to set an example to easily influenced teenagers? To every day people? Both the UK and the US need to get brave and actually do something to try and change all of this.

I also think that drug abuse is very closely linked the rise in Teen Gang Culture and gun/knife crimes.

 

Post of the week nomination coming up

 

Dear LORD. Yes, that's right. It's clearly only celebs who take drugs.

its not the only reason. Its also cos of the press constantly in their face. That is the biggest reason out there. Lindsay get big press all the time and she been doing drugs. I wouldnt be surprised if Britney hasnt done them either

You wouldn't be surprised if she hasn't..? So...you would be surprised if she has? :P

You wouldn't be surprised if she hasn't..? So...you would be surprised if she has? :P

Jark shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh :P

Drug addiction IS a choice ..... nobody has to start taking drugs ... it is common knowledge that heroin is addictive so why even try it once?

 

Drug addiction, like ANY addiction is not a choice at all.

 

Do you honestly, seriously believe that someone who is penniless, homeless, friendless and utterly alone in life CHOOSES that way?

 

Addiction is an illness - not a whim.

 

The addict's mind works like this - first, try whatever is offered - if it's nice, maybe another one-off dabble - then another, then another - then more, more, more... whatever it is. The higher the high - the better. No addict seriously believes that one or two, sneaky, harmless snorts of coke or hits of smack will become their LIFE.

 

Addiction is a personality disorder - and it affects far, far more people than we are aware of.

I can see totally what you're saying Russt - but they are rarely forced into the taking the drug in the first place!

People need to take responsibility to the mess they are putting themselves into. whilst addiction - as you quite rightly say - is an illness people still need to try and tackle that. like other mental/pyschological disorders, you seek help, you try and sort it out.

once people become addicted to the drug then they have little choice in the matter as their lives quickly spiral out of control, but everyone (no matter what their wellbeing) has the ability to say NO.

Alcohol causes the downward spiral into drug addiction 99% of the time.... most drug abusers also abuse alcohol - and, as has already been mentioned on this thread - alcohol lowers your natural inhibitions.

 

How many 'lads' will down ridiculous amounts of alcohol in one night.... and be goaded by the others to try the most potent strength alcohol behind the bar? Often in pint glasses with a cocktail of spirits.

 

It's the same with drugs.... once the hit of cocaine has worn off, or the ecstasy has turned into the mother of all comedowns, the next step is often a hit of heroin, as it dulls the senses, takes you away from yourself and your problems and helps you through the after-effects of other drugs. It's the most potent drug there is.

 

It's a vicious circle - and heroin usage is on a rapid increase in Britain simply because the abuse of other drugs has rocketed, too - not all coke users go onto use heroin - but some do.

 

The drugs issue os like chasing your tail - there really is no logical answer. Whilst in a perfect world, where everything is black or white, people WOULD say no - but we live in a far-from perfect world where kids have absolutely nothing else to do and nobody else to turn to but a temporary high from a substance, be it glue, lighter fluid, speed or heroin.

 

As for addicts seeking help when they're in the throes of addiction - addicts by nature will more often than not deny they have a problem - to themselves and everybody else.

Edited August 26, 200717 yr by russt68

with both Amy Winehouse and Pete Doherty in the news this week with drug problems..... what is it that drives talented people to self-destruct?

 

Check this news thread on Amy's latest, shocking chapter...

 

i wonder how many extra sales Amy's drug habit is actually selling due to her omnipresence in the redtops and celeb mags with all the drug stories and scars, fights etc.

 

wonder if she was the one with the funny accent would she still be like the #1 artist in the country???

 

http://www.carlinmusic.com/media/roster/1003_joss_stone_b.jpg

 

 

its not the only reason. Its also cos of the press constantly in their face. That is the biggest reason out there. Lindsay get big press all the time and she been doing drugs. I wouldnt be surprised if Britney hasnt done them either

 

If that is the reason then these celebrities really are the THICKEST planks of wood out there.

"Hmmm, I'm being watched by every single member of the worldwide media. I KNOW, I'll take illegal substances and get off my face! That will stop the attention! YAYAY!"