I think this is the biggest load of rubbish I've ever heard. If they did kill her it would've been purely accidentally.

Munchausen Syndrome by Proxy is a recognised and very real condition where the sufferer create attention for themselves by causing injuries etc to another.

 

 

 

I find it hard to separate rumour / speculation and fact in this case anymore.

 

but from day one I have said the actions of the parents are "not right"

 

whether that stems from guilt for leaving their daughter alone or guilt from having caused her death I am beginning to feel we will never know.

 

@russt - for once we agree - what right have we as a nation to comment or criticise another country's legal system and laws? I think the media have been intrusive and downright rude to the Portugese police.

The parents are evidently distraught! I'm not saying they didn't give her sleeping pills in the hope she'd sleep, but they did not plan pre-holiday to go abroad and kill their little daughter, that I can promise you.

they did not plan pre-holiday to go abroad and kill their little daughter, that I can promise you.

 

it does seem a little odd to do it whilst on holiday if they were planning on doing it at all, I agree.... knowing the mass media frenzy Ben Needham caused in Greece all those years ago. I hope and pray they're innocent, I really do - imagine their time in prison if they're guilty - they'd be targeted non-stop, even moreso than Hindley or Huntley were/are. They truly would be better of dead themselves - plus - they have 2 other little children who would be minus their parents.

 

What I resent is the British media making out Portugal is some third-world country with an archaic and backward legal system.

 

One thing I'm almost sure of is that whoever did abduct Madeleine - it wasn't a Portuguese person. Their attitude to both children and old people is something we here in the UK could learn a lot about - whereas over here, old people in particular are shunned and forgotten about, over there they're treasured, respected, honoured. Same with kids - what the McCanns did, leaving Madeleine alone..... it's something that is totally alien to the Portuguese way of child care.

The Portuguese Police suspect that Madeleine's body was moved

- for the final time - by an accomplice of Gerry & Kate.

 

The McCann's got the Hire Car on Monday 28th May. There was one other

person who was down as a driver for that Car - Mike Wright - Kate's Cousin.

 

On Wednesday 30th May the McCann's were in Rome, & they met the Pope.

 

I believe that they arrived in Rome on Tuesday 29th May.

 

The Global Media - including the International Media in Portugal - was

busily watching what Gerry & Kate were doing on 29th & 30th May.

 

This meant that no one was watching what was going on with the

Hire Car in Portugal, during those 2 Days.

 

Portuguese Police are now checking up on what was happening with

that Car whilst the McCann's were in Rome - who was driving it, &

where they went.

 

That goes for all the other times that Gerry & Kate were in the Media

'Spot Light', but travelling outside Portugal.

 

The Police - obviously - reckon that Madeleine's body was moved - in

that Car - by an 'Accomplice' of Gerry & Kate, while they were so busily

being photographed, & filmed, outside Portugal, that no one was watching

where the Hire Car was going, back in Portugal.....

Edited September 15, 200717 yr by zeus555

So if this is true, where was the body in the several weeks leading up to the meeting with the Pope eh?

So if this is true, where was the body in the several weeks leading up to the meeting with the Pope eh?

 

That is one of the flaws in the argument the parents did it. But there are so many flaws in the argument that they did it and the argument they didn't it is starting to look like it will be one of those things that will never get resvolved

i don't think they did it, assuming it was an accident and they tried to cover it up why court the media the way they did? making it such a high profile campaign? putting so much attention on to them, doing so many interviews it doesn't make sense to willingly put yourself in that media glare if you know that you were responsible. there have been missing cases before but not on the huge scale of this one. if they did it they would have handled differently more low key.

 

what these parents are guilty of is bad parenting leaving their kids sleeping alone in a hotel room in a foreign country. what if the kids woke up and didn't find their parents there? they will cry be upset or could hurt themselves etc. its not right what they did but they aren't killers. take this scenario....madeline wakes up and sees her parents aren't there she is worried and wants to find them she sees they aren't in the room so what does she do? look for them! she opens the door by herslelf and wanders around some messed up person spots her sees her alone and abducts her. if her parents were there they would have prevented this.

 

also he parents did rub up the portugal police the wrong way making out they weren't doing enough and then you had the media here being arrogant saying they don't do things as well as we do it here. the portugal police seem to be under pressure to resolve this case. if madeline is still alive she will be kept indoors because the case is so high profile the abducters won't want to risk her being spotted.

Hello,

Jark, Madeleine's body was obviously hidden before they met the Pope.

I don't know where it was - why should I? I never hid it!!!!!

 

What I do know is this:,

 

1) Sir Alec Jeffries, A DNA Expert - has offered to testify on behalf of the McCanns

- IF - they are charged & go to Court.

 

He says that even if Madeleine's DNA is in the Boot of the Hire Car,

it is of no consequence, as it could just as easily have come from Gerry,

Kate, or the Twins - it is the same, he says.

 

However, he forgets, that if HAIR has been found, Forensic Labs can tell

if it is from a living person or a corpse. So, if the Hair samples are from a dead body,

& 'bodily fluids', or 'blood', found in the Car, is a McCann FAMILY match, it matters not

a bit, that the DNA could be from one of the other 4. The Hair sure could NOT be

- if it is seen to be that of a corpse! It could not be Gerry's or Kate's, or the Twins,

as all 4 are still alive - and THAT would shoot Sir Alec's Testimony out of the water!

 

2) The McCann's have announced a new - £80,000 Campaign to 'Find Madeleine'.

It will be spent on Posters etc. in Spain & so on - even though everyone already knows

what she looks like, by now!

 

The IDEA is to make us think:, 'As if they'd spend £80,000 on a new Campaign, if

they knew that Madeleine was dead!'

 

In fact, the £80,000 will be from the 'Find Madeleine' Fund - they are NOT spending

their own cash. It is PR gimmicks & spin, that is going on.....

 

3) Kate told everyone who'd listen, on Friday 7th September, that Portuguese Police

had told her that she'd 'only' serve 1 Year in Prison, (some reports said 2 Years),

if she'd just admit to killing Madeliene by accident.

 

The UK Press went crazy about this - saying it was 'Sick', ('The Sun'),

& so on.

 

In fact Plea Bargaining is illegal in Portugal, & the Police would not have dared

to make such an 'Offer' to Kate, as her Lawyer was sat next to her, for a start.

Secondly, UK Police were watching the Interview through one of those

'Mirror Walls' - where the people in the room cannot see you, but you can

watch the Interview.

 

The Portuguese Police has since denied that any such 'Plea' was suggested

to Kate. Basically - she just made it up. Yet another lie.

 

4) The UK Media has been overwhelmingly 'Pro McCann' from Day 1.

It has joined their Family in condemning the Portuguese Police, as

'Keystone Cops', & 'Hopeless', & so on.

 

In fact no less than 250 BRITISH Police have been assisting the

Portuguese Police in this Enquiry - several of them from within Portugal.

 

So, OUR Police were involved in the Investigation very deeply - and if the

UK Media do not like the Enquiry now pointing at Gerry & Kate, then OUR Police

must be 'Useless' too - as OUR Police ended up coming to the same

conclusions as the Portuguese ones - Gerry & Kate = Suspects!!!!!!

Edited September 15, 200717 yr by zeus555

The Sun is saying now that the body is in the sea in a bag with weights of some kind, and may never be found.

 

How sick can you get, these people shouldn't be allowed to have any kids

2) The McCann's have announced a new - £80,000 Campaign to 'Find Madeleine'.

It will be spent on Posters etc. in Spain & so on - even though everyone already knows

what she looks like, by now!

 

The IDEA is to make us think:, 'As if they'd spend £80,000 on a new Campaign, if

they knew that Madeleine was dead!'

 

In fact, the £80,000 will be from the 'Find Madeleine' Fund - they are NOT spending

their own cash. It is PR gimmicks & spin, that is going on.....

 

Of course it will come from the Find Madeleine Fund, that is what it's there for, to help find her. It's hardly any use sitting in a bank account. It would be madness for them to spend their own money, especially when they will probebly have to sell their house to pay for the legal costs of their defence team. They have not asked for the money in the fund to be used for their legal costs, so they should get some credit for that. Also, they have both said that they were given no evidence that she was dead so it's hardly a suprise that they want to continue on, especially when the police seem to believe she is dead and are no longer looking for her (alive anyway)

 

Also, you are saying that Kate went around telling everyone who would listen that she was told she would only get one year. Is there any quotes of her saying this anywhere? No, it all came from the MEDIA. As far the the hair found in the car goes, and you saying they could find out if it was off a corpse or someone alive at the time, don't you think they've already done that? It has been claimed by experts who saw the results that they are not strong enough to actually prove anything. All of this would've been done, especially if the top British experts have been involved, and still the McCanns were allowed to leave and go home, without being charged.

The Sun is saying now that the body is in the sea in a bag with weights of some kind, and may never be found.

 

How sick can you get, these people shouldn't be allowed to have any kids

 

So because the SUN has said this, makes it automatically true all of a sudden? :lol:

I am baffled by reports they are to spend £80,000 on TV and press averts to "help find Maddie"

 

Is there anyone alive who doesn't know her face? Anyone who watches TV or reads papers surely doesn't need any reminders?

 

...and is there much point me looking for her, I greatly doubt she will turn up in the UK

 

Seems like yet another strange act by people who claim to hate all the media attention

Oh I agree, it is pointless as there are few people in Europe who don't know who she is, but IF they have'nt killed her etc, then I can understand it to some extent, seeing as the police have not given them evidence that she is dead (apperently), and are now no longer looking for her alive, so they want to make sure the hunt continues.

 

Also, apperently Ben Afflecs new film 'Gone Baby Gone' has been CANCELLED from UK cinema, because it is about a little girl going missing, and would upset peopel too much. That, imo is utterly ridiculous that films are not allowed to be screened because of this. I mean what next? :rolleyes:

So because the SUN has said this, makes it automatically true all of a sudden? :lol:

LOL :P Exactly, it's saddening the way the media makes everyone believe what they believe. At first, everyone was all 'pooooor Kate and Gerry, I find all of this so upsetting' along with the media, but now The Sun is using 'Kate - Guilty!' type headlines, everyone thinks it must be true.

 

Take an opinion, and stick to it, at least until hard evidence comes to light.

 

I think it very likely that Madelaine wandered out of the apartment to be picked up by a sick stranger.

LOL :P Exactly, it's saddening the way the media makes everyone believe what they believe. At first, everyone was all 'pooooor Kate and Gerry, I find all of this so upsetting' along with the media, but now The Sun is using 'Kate - Guilty!' type headlines, everyone thinks it must be true.

 

Take an opinion, and stick to it, at least until hard evidence comes to light.

 

I think it very likely that Madelaine wandered out of the apartment to be picked up by a sick stranger.

 

Well said, I agree.

 

And it is very likely she could've wandered out and be taken, I agree. That could possibly explain why the window was open from the inside if she was trying to get out, and could'nt get out the door for whatever reason.

The Window was NOT open from the inside. It had a Shutter on it.

Gerry has claimed - yes HIM - that the Shutter had been 'Forced'

from the inside - by the 'Abductor'. The Portuguese Police & Apartment

Complex Staff have long since said that the Shutter was NOT 'Forced'

at all - it was not open.

 

Gerry claims that the Shutter was 'Forced' - from the inside - so

that the 'Abductor' could climb out of the Apartment with Madeleine.

I do hope that ALL of this 'Evidence' from Gerry ends up in Court,

as I can't wait to see how the Court reacts - and the World!

That an 'Abductor' walked in through an OPEN DOOR, grabbed

Madeleine, & then decided NOT to leave through the OPEN DOOR,

but he decided to FORCE THE SHUTTER & LEAVE VIA THE WINDOW,

instead!!!!! (LOL, LOL, LOL!)

 

Please - please - do not let Gerry manipulate how you think

- his story's are laughable, & he loves it when people believe him.

 

Oh - the Portuguese Police say that 'Forcing' the Shutter would have

been impossible anyhow, (due to how they are made), & even had he tried

to do that, the NOISE would have woken up the entire Complex!!!!!!

 

I - and MANY here, were against Gerry & Kate from Day 1 - for Child

Neglect. As time went on, it also became clear that they were lying too.

So, we do not need 'The Sun' to guide how we think - we thought

for ourselves, from the start. I was never, 'Poor Gerry & Kate', from Day 1

- I was 'Poor Madeleine' from Day 1.

 

The UK Media tried to make it LOOK like 'everyone' supported Gerry & Kate,

as it ignored any Letters that were not Pro McCann, & laughed at any Press

Reports from the Portuguese Press, as 'Nonsense'.

The UK Media is now nervous that it may have backed the wrong horse

- hence why it now starts to turn hostile to Gerry & Kate.

 

Only last Monday, Sky News, was reporting that the McCann's were

on their way to Britain again. They had a Female Reporter outside

the Portuguese Air Port, & when the McCann's arrived, she watched them go

in, & said that she wondered if they would get a around of applause

when they got onto the 'Plane! So convinced was Sky that 'Everyone loves

Gerry & Kate & they are 100% innocent'.

 

When the McCann's Car arrived back at Rothley, where they live, a Male

Sky Reporter made the laughable suggestion that, 'THE VAST, VAST MAJORITY

OF PEOPLE IN THIS COUNTRY SUPPORT GERRY & KATE'!!!!!!!!

 

THAT is the extent of UK Media fawning to the McCann's - 'The Sun', 'Mirror',

etc. were all at it too - praising Gerry & Kate all the time. Now they are terrified that

Gerry & Kate may well have lied all along - hence the change in tone in their

Reporting.

 

Dr. Macphisto, it was Gerry & Kate's FAMILY who told the UK Media

that Kate had been offered a 'Deal' to confess. They were speaking

to the UK Media, on behalf of Kate - who is not allowed to speak to

the Media, (anywhere in the EU), whilst she is an Arguido - 'Suspect'.

 

They said - the McCann Family - that this is what Gerry & Kate had told them.

 

If Gerry & Kate did NOT tell the Family that, then the Family were telling

lies to the UK Media.

 

Hey! Gerry & Kate may be 100% innocent, in which case whoever really did take

Madeleine has got 100% away with it. (So far).

 

I can tell you that 'The Mirror' has had a Scotland Yard Detective commenting

on the Case. He was explaining various things about the Case last Week. (He has

experience in Murder Cases).

 

1) He said that the idea that an 'Abductor' went into that Apartment, & took

Madeleine is actually most unlikely. The McCann's had not been in Portugal

long enough for him to spot the patterns in their movements.

 

The idea that a 'Passing Paedophile' simply walked in & took her, is also highly

unlikely, he said. The Guy would not have known that there were no Adults

there - to attack him, or to call the Police, & it would be a gigantic coincidence,

that he just happened to choose one where 3 Children under 5 had been left alone

- and the door just happned to be UNlocked, when he chose to go in, & 'grab'

a Child. (& was NOT seen by ANYONE!).

 

2) As regards the Evidence in the Hire Car. He said that IF it can be proved to

be from Madeleine, (and a dead Madeleine at that), then a 'Defence' would

be that the Hire Car was PREVIOUSLY Hired by the REAL 'Abductor', & it is just a

coincidence that the McCann's just happened to Hire that very same Car on 28th May.

 

He basically said that such a 'Defence' would be sneered at, as it truly is a Billion to

1 chance - so UNlikely would it be.

 

3) Elsewhere, someone else suggested that maybe the 'Abductor' Hired the Car

previously, & he made a copy of the Car Keys. He then used them to move Madeleine's

body, while Gerry & Kate were seeing the Pope etc - without this being spotted

by Mike Wright - who was in charge of the Car, when the McCann's travelled outside

Portugal. (Kate's Cousin).

 

However, this would mean that the 'Abductor', would have had to KNOW which Car

the McCann's would Hire on May 28th, & to KNOW which Car Hire Company they

would choose! ALL so he could 'Frame' them!!!!!

 

Unless the 'Abductor' WORKS at the Car Hire Company, I fail to see how he could

possibly have worked out which Company, & Car, the McCann's would Hire in

late May.

 

So, that 'Theory' has to be the 2 Billion to 1 chance.....

Edited September 15, 200717 yr by zeus555

The Sun is saying now that the body is in the sea in a bag with weights of some kind, and may never be found.

 

How sick can you get, these people shouldn't be allowed to have any kids

 

In an interview today Ricky Wilson (Kaiser Chiefs) has said that he has been horrified by how the GBP and the British media has behaved with regards to the McCann's. As he pointed out he has no idea what actually happened but he has been shocked by how the Briitish public have seemingly become experts over their guilt or innocent via the information drip fed by the media.

 

Maybe those of you who have clearly made up your minds 100% one way or the other should read these lyrics:

 

I can prove anything

Ill make you admit, again and again

I can prove anything

The way that its writ, again and again

 

And I'm sorry cos you came here with your brothers too

If your came here on your own you'd be dead

Its only cos you follow what the others do

It's no excuse to say your easily led

 

You could choose anything

You choose to lose, again and again

You could do anything

Why should you do, anything again

 

And I'm sorry cos you came here with your brothers too

If your came here on your own you'd be dead

Winding yourself until your turning blue

Repeating everything that you read

 

And here we go with the letter

Well can you fix it for me

Cos we need entertainment

To keep us all off the streets

 

So tonight you'll sleep softly in your bed

 

You could try anything

And no one would know

Apart from you and me

You could stop anything

It starts with just one, then turns to two then three

 

Its only cos you came here with your brothers too

If your came here on your own you'd be dead

Raise a glass or two

Raise a fist or two

And get a shopping basket wrapped round your head

 

And here we go with the letter

Well can you fix it for me

Cos we need entertainment

To keep us all off the streets

 

So tonight you'll sleep softly in your bed

 

We are the angry mob

We read the papers everyday

We like who like

We hate who he hate

But we're also easily swayed

(Repeat to fade)

One question that baffles me though, if she was abducted by someone, why not take the twins as well, the twins would have woken up, while the abductor took Maddy, I don't think an abductor has taken Maddy, I think the McCanns are heavily involved somehow, and I'm only speculating. Mind you they were doctors, could have given Maddy something to make her sleep, and killed her but not intentionally, again I'm only speculating.

 

So many theories but still no answers to her whereabouts, unless she is at the bottom of the sea.

Please - please - do not let Gerry manipulate how you think

- his story's are laughable, & he loves it when people believe him.

 

 

you speak about him like he's a personal friend...?

you speak about him like he's a personal friend...?

 

I agree :lol: