Dr. Macphisto - sorry, but my Parents get FIVE UK Tabloids a day,

& I can assure you that they HAVE been almost 100% in favour of the

McCann's.

I don't think that's what he was saying. There's no denying that the papers have been "pro-McCann" (don't even get me started on that term... I don't really see why assuming innocent until proven guilty makes anyone pro-McCann) but they still report all the c**p from the Portuguese media, and a lot of people automatically accept it is truth. Also, you say they have contradictions in the story... have you considered it might only seem that way to you because the McCanns' full initial statements have not been made public? No-one outside the Portuguese police has any idea exactly what they said originally.

Btw, out of interest, why do you always start a new line in the middle of a sentence? (I didn't mean that to sound snide, so sorry if it did, I genuinely want to know.)

A perfect example of how utterly stupid some people are when it comes to believing what they read. No wonder you visit the Mirror forums. :rolleyes:

 

I am gobsmacked at your ignorance. It's like something a child would write. Why can't you actually THINK before posting? If they bloody well had evidence from phone calls or emails, and had plently of evidence against them, then they would've fukkin charged them instead of letting them go back home FFS. God, I am so bloody sick of repeating myself when this fact is so bloody obvious. Why on earth you can't actually see that they police clearly do not have evidence to prove they definatly did it is astounding. If they have enough evidence to be sure they did it, and the phone and email evidence is 'the most damning' then what on earth is there to prove? And you seriously need to do research regarding these sniffer dogs as well, it has been proven by experts in this case, that they simply cannot be used as creadible evidence as the dogs cannot tell the difference between the cent of death or blood, it proves zero. Seriously mate, you are making youself look extremly foolish and the worrying thing is you can't even see it, yet you wonder why this thread was closed a while back. It's because of such utterly pointless posts like the above tbh. And as for your last sentence of it hopefuly ending with the parents being thrown behind bars. I would expect such a comment from an immiture child but are'nt you an adult? When there is not enough evidence to even charge them nearly five months after, and you are so sure that you are actually hopeing the parents did killer her, so you can be right, it really and truly does sum you right up.

 

Sorry if I seem rude, but I am totally sick of this.

 

 

 

I hate to be the one to blow your theory about the dna evidence but on the sky news documentary last night ,,,regarding the madeline *disappearance* they stated according to their sources the portuguese police found a *complete match* and a partial match in the boot of that car they rented and other damning evidence regarding the mcanns telephone calls and emails etc. Why they need a body,... with a complete match for madeline showing up in the boot of a car ...they hire 25 days after they reported her missing ,is beyond me .

At the end of the day ... they will have to live with their consciences ..always assuming they have one !

 

Mr mac you sure your not gerry or clarence mitchell in disguise ?

I hate to be the one to blow your theory about the dna evidence but on the sky news documentary last night ,,,regarding the madeline *disappearance* they stated according to their sources the portuguese police found a *complete match* and a partial match in the boot of that car they rented and other damning evidence regarding the mcanns telephone calls and emails etc. Why they need a body,... with a complete match for madeline showing up in the boot of a car ...they hire 25 days after they reported her missing ,is beyond me .

Oh dear. Once again, yet another example of people blindly accepting the media's "facts" and not questioning their reliability.

Well ,mr mac .. seems happy to believe that they are* not guilty* with nothing to go on other than

they havent arrested them ... Sky news are the Mcanns allys make no mistake and if they say the portuguese found a Complete match and a partial match of dna on a documentary aimed at making the mcanns look like innocents ... then you can believe they have concrete evidence.

 

They have to live with their consciences ...if they have one between them.

Well ,mr mac .. seems happy to believe that they are* not guilty* with nothing to go on other than

they havent arrested them ... Sky news are the Mcanns allys make no mistake and if they say the portuguese found a Complete match and a partial match of dna on a documentary aimed at making the mcanns look like innocents ... then you can believe they have concrete evidence.

When did Mr Mcphisto ever say he thought they definitely weren't guilty? I can't speak for him, but personally, I have no idea whether the McCanns did it or not, given I was not in the apartment at the time. All I (and I'm presuming Mr Macphisto) are saying is that it should be "innocent until proven guilty" like common decency dictates.

And no, we can't trust that Sky News had concrete evidence. This is a station owned by Rupert Murdoch we're talking about, all they care about is reporting the most sensational stories (regardless of whether they've been confirmed or not) to get more viewers.

Mr Mac stated: they have no credible evidence thats why they have not charged them . I was countering that with .. the Mcann Sky news ..I say the *mcanns sky news * as it set out to ridicule the portuguese police with that documentary but had to admit that the police source they have in portugal has confirmed with them it was a * complete dna match* which was a very big admittance from a news broadcaster that is definitely in support of the Mcanns !They also stated that it was not a spot of blood but a spray of blood a significant amount found in the apartment from madeline.

 

If the dna in the boot of that car is a* complete match* from a girl (their daughter)that went missing 25 days prior to them hiring that

car then I dont see why they haven't made the charges . In that sense i would say the PJ's have been incompetent .You do not need a body to convict in those circumstances.

I hate to be the one to blow your theory about the dna evidence but on the sky news documentary last night ,,,regarding the madeline *disappearance* they stated according to their sources the portuguese police found a *complete match* and a partial match in the boot of that car they rented and other damning evidence regarding the mcanns telephone calls and emails etc. Why they need a body,... with a complete match for madeline showing up in the boot of a car ...they hire 25 days after they reported her missing ,is beyond me .

At the end of the day ... they will have to live with their consciences ..always assuming they have one !

 

Mr mac you sure your not gerry or clarence mitchell in disguise ?

 

 

 

He must be one of Team McCann. : :dance:

I hate to be the one to blow your theory about the dna evidence but on the sky news documentary last night ,,,regarding the madeline *disappearance* they stated according to their sources the portuguese police found a *complete match* and a partial match in the boot of that car they rented and other damning evidence regarding the mcanns telephone calls and emails etc. Why they need a body,... with a complete match for madeline showing up in the boot of a car ...they hire 25 days after they reported her missing ,is beyond me .

At the end of the day ... they will have to live with their consciences ..always assuming they have one !

 

Mr mac you sure your not gerry or clarence mitchell in disguise ?

 

Dear oh dear oh dear :rolleyes: Me saying that the DNA results don't prove anything is not a 'theory' like 90% of what is said and believed with regard to this case - it is a FACT! The forensic experts in Birmingham confirmed it themselfs only a week or two ago. Read back in this thread to read it. Do you seriously think I am naive and ignorant enough (unlike so many) to believe what Sky News said over the experts who bloody did the tests. :rolleyes: Oh and btw, where on the Sky News program did they say this? I missed it on TV, but just watched it on their site, well the part where they discussed the McCanns were involved. Nothing was said. It basically showed a clip of their spokeperson saying that there was a ludacris suggestions blood was found in the car. That was all I heard. If I missed the part they said what you are claiming than please tell me what part it was in.

 

And the reason I am sick of this, is not because of the case itself, I am sick of having to constantly having to point out the obvious to people who are seemingly blinded by what they want to believe. You say it is beyond you why the police need a body when they have a match and damining evidence from phone and email. Why on earth are you not capable of seeing the plain obvious - if what you are claiming was in any way true than the police would quite clearly have charged them by now. CLEARLY the DNA was far from a match, as confirmed by the actual experts who did them, the same experts who said it was extremly disrespectful for certain members of the Portuguese police telling the media that they had an 88% match when they had no such thing. And clearly nothing creadible or signifigant has been found from the phone calls or emails or they simply would not have been allowed to go home. This is just so obvious, yet people continue to refuse to see it.

 

And in regard to your last childish little point, no, I most certainly am not. I am just someone who believes in the saying "innocent until proven guilty" and actually put things into perspective, as opose to being so unbelievably ignorant and blind as to believe what they read in the media and hear on Sky bloody News (although I even doubt that) and taking it as gosple and coming on here and spouting it all out without doing any research. If you want to carry on doing this, I suggest you do it on the Mirror forum where you would be most welcome with any sort of theories you can come up with that makes them look as guilty as possible. I don't even like the McCanns very much as people, there is something about them that annoys me. You can critisize them forever about leaving their kids alone and I would agree with you all, what I don't agree however, is that they killed her, as there is simply nothing that seriously makes me think they did, unless of course I were to believe these claims that continuously get proven to be false time and time again.

 

Mr Mac stated: they have no credible evidence thats why they have not charged them . I was countering that with .. the Mcann Sky news ..I say the *mcanns sky news * as it set out to ridicule the portuguese police with that documentary but had to admit that the police source they have in portugal has confirmed with them it was a * complete dna match* which was a very big admittance from a news broadcaster that is definitely in support of the Mcanns !They also stated that it was not a spot of blood but a spray of blood a significant amount found in the apartment from madeline.

 

If the dna in the boot of that car is a* complete match* from a girl (their daughter)that went missing 25 days prior to them hiring that

car then I dont see why they haven't made the charges . In that sense i would say the PJ's have been incompetent .You do not need a body to convict in those circumstances.

 

As Danny rightfully pointed out, I have NEVER once said the McCanns definatly are innocent of killing her. None of us know at the end of the day. The reason why I am defending them on this particular issue (certainly not on leaving her in the first place) is because I am totally sick of people believing the utter c**p that it reported about his case. I am totally sick of when every time an ounce of apperent evidence arrises that casts doubt over their innocence, it is then confirmed as being innacurate or false, yet people still carry on believing some of it. I very much doubt they killer her - not just because they have'nt been arrested, but because there is quite clearly zero creadible evidence to state otherwise, and I also do not see how on earth it was possible for them to have got rid of the body with millions watching, and hundreds if not thousands of reporters following their every move (especially in the first month).

 

And the very same can be said for these dogs Chris was going on about, who cented a corpse. Again, this is quite clearly inncorrect. Has this been confirmed? The only part in this whole case I've heard about dogs was with regard to the DNA and blood. Now, are you seriously suggestion the police over there are so unbelievably bad at their job, that they would take the McCanns hire car, find all of this evidence and then a day or two later, give it back to them? Open you eyes mate. I admit the police are out of their dept here, but give them some credit. They are not that incompetent.

 

And Chris, with regard to you comment about "If they're innocent then why did they do a runner from Portugal?" - Another ridiculous and extremly ignorant comment I would expect from a child. They did not do a 'runner' ffs - they had permission from the police to leave. Do you have selective memory or something, because it most certainly appears that way. How on earth on one hand you can go on about what awful Parents they were for leaving her alone in the first place (which they were obviously), but then on the other, you actually expected them to put their kids through that media circus, not even being capable of leaving their villa without hundreds of media running towards them and surrounding their cars? Having thier parents go in and out of police stations to be questioned after already being stuck over in that madness for 4 months? And for what exactly? Nothing have actually happened in the case since they left. So what on earth would've them staying there actually have achived other than putting their poor kids through all of that when they should be living a normal life back at home. It just proves that they can't win when it comes to you lot.

 

But hey, make a joke out of it. Say I am part of 'team McCann' or whatever other ridiciulous and downright childish remarks you have to make. Continue seeing this whole thing as some fun little game, and make silly jokes about 'teams' and which one people are on. Go to your Mirror forum meet-ups etc. Be so unbelievably foolish as to believe what you read, and be so sure the McCanns killed her as to say you hope they get thrown behind bars without there being any serious evidence. The fact that a little girl is still missing, she is most likely dead at this stage, or she could still be out there somewhere being abused, yet people seem to be forgetting that more and more by each day, and see this as some bloody game.

 

And now it has been officially confirmed that the head cheif in charge of this whole case (Goncalo Amaral) has been sacked. This is the same inspecter who has been charged with criminal offences over allegingly having a confession beaten out of a mother of another child who went missing in the same area. And the same man who has reportedly been working 4 hour days, and ignoring ver 250 sighting, despite not having enough evidence to be even allowed to re-question the McCanns in Portugal, let alone charge them. This case is really beyond a joke, and is seemingly falling apart and is being based on nothing but false claims and nothing but speculation and here-say. The sad thing is, a huge amount of people cannot see this, and actually believe the unproven claims which clearly are not true. How long will this continue? God knows. However long people continue to be blind to facts I presume. And as far as the case itself, I can't see it ending anytime soon, although maybe now, with the head inspecter being fired, someone better might take over and actually do something worthwhile.

 

I think I will follow TIP, and not bother posting in this thread until something actually happenes in the case, because at this stage I have said all I have to say and I am completely sick of repeating myself. This thread is becoming so completely pointless as it is consisting of nothing other that ridiculous posts and claims, despite no-one actually knowing what happened and there clearly being no serious or creadible evidence.

The fact remains which is more than I can say for ..... their defence ... Sky news the mcanns * allys* Sky news , stated in their documentarty for *the truth* ....an offical source in their opinion ... that they( the police ) found a *COMPLETE MATCH* for Madeline and also a (partial match) in that car boot ... they hired 25 days later and a

significant amount of blood ... like from a Spray of Blood in their apartment . People have been executed on less in the USA... You tell me how this is justice ? The Mcann's are walking scott free ...no matter how you look at it.. from a negligence point of view or murder point of view ... this whole case has become a farce because, the Mcann's are...as has been stated ( teflon coated )for some reason and there is a case to be answered too . Forget past cases in Portugal also ( and sackings ),...thats a smoke screen and anyone with half an ounce of common sense can see that.

 

 

They have to live with their consciences .... if they have one * between them* .

 

p.s SKY NEWS ARE IN SUPPORT OF THE MCANNS ...LIKE IT OR LUMP IT .

There have been numerous contradictions from Gerry & Kate McCann

since this whole thing started.

 

There has been a lot of Spin - where Gerry says something, but his

PR people & Mates, pretend that he never said it - because they think people

forget what he says in Interviews. (It was Gerry who claimed that the Shutters

to the Apartment had been 'jemmied' - but, the Shutters were NEVER forced

- at all. He now tries to pretend that he never said it. Kate recently told

a French Magazine that the Door to the Apartment was 'Locked' - when

she has long admitted that it was UNLOCKED! She tries to fool

people. The Front Door to the Apartment was LOCKED, but the Patio

Doors - at the back - were left OPEN. They can try to change facts all

they like - they only fool those who see them as, '100% Innocent').

 

1) Gerry gave an Interview, to the, 'News Of The World', a few Weeks ago.

In it he moaned that he was frustrated that they had all that Cash in the

Madeleine Fund, & they were not sure if they could use it for Legal Fees.

 

2) A few Days later, the Directors of the Madeleine Fund announced that

whilst Gerry & Kate COULD use the Fund for Legal Fees, the Directors had

decided NOT to 'allow' it to be used for that purpose - and added that Gerry

& Kate had NOT asked for any of the Cash, for that purpose anyhow.

 

3) Except that a few Days earlier, Gerry had made it quite clear that he

wanted that Cash - some of it - for Legal Fees - something that the Directors

would have been well aware of - when they pretended that Gerry & Kate had

no interest in the Money for that purpose!

 

As regards the McCanns contradicting what they say. It is nothing to do with

the fact that their Statements have not been made Public. They have contradicted

themselves in Interviews - to the UK Media. They have told about 3 or 4 different

versions of what happened on May 3rd. Luckily, the UK Police, Portuguese Police,

& numerous Psychologists & Psychiatrists will have collected the lot together

- every Interview - & every contradiction will be studied.

 

The Teflon 2 are not as clever as they think thay are.....

 

Unfortunately, I do not think that there will be enough Evidence to get

them into a Court Room - but, we will see just what the Portuguese Police

have on them - eventually.

 

I do not know if they are Guilty or not, BUT, a Court Case, would expose

every contradiction that they have made, to the entire World, & many - & I

do mean MANY - will be astonished at the different Tales they have come out with.

 

THE PORTUGUESE POLICE

 

I 100% feel that they mishandled the Case from Day 1. They should have

allowed Scotland Yard to help, when it all first started. It was a HUGE error

not to 'seal off' the 'Crime Scene', from the minute they arrived - although

Gerry & Kate, their 7 Mates, & numerous other people, had swarmed all over

it, (the Apartment), by then, anyhow. (Odd - several of the Tapas 9, are Doctors

etc., & not one of them thought to try to keep the 'Crime Scene' secure, until Police

got there - they MUST have known that it was the correct thing to do

- they were hardly a bunch of Brick Layers, from Blackpool!).

 

UK Police are NOT saying that Gerry & Kate should never have been Suspects

- they are actually saying that the Portuguese Police should have looked at them

right from the start. The UK Police call it, (looking at the Parents), 'Clearing

the ground beneath your feet'.

 

For some very peculier reason, the UK Media thinks that UK Police see it as

'outrageous' as they do, that Gerry & Kate have been made Suspects. In fact, they

would have been made Suspects a whole lot FASTER had the Case been run by Scotland

Yard, or the FBI.....It is the SLOWNESS of the Portuguese Police that the UK Police

have been frustrated by - NOT the fact that they suspect Gerry & Kate....No matter

what Sky News, 'The Sun', & so on, like to pretend!!!!!

 

And it was Political Interference that made the Portuguese Police so slow to suspect

Gerry & Kate. At the very start, Gordon Brown, 'phoned the UK Ambassador in Portugal,

& got him to 'Phone the Portuguese Police - urging them to take the 'Abduction' seriously.

Later Gordon Brown 'Phoned both the McCanns, & Portuguese Police, himself -

urging them to, 'Find the Abductor', ASAP.

 

So, the Portuguese Police got Political pressure - from the UK - to treat it

as 'An Abduction' from Day 1 - no wonder they took their time in plucking

up the nerve to call Gerry & Kate 'Suspects'!!!!!!

 

NOW.....

 

The McCanns, Clarence Mitchell, & the UK Media, THINK that because the

Police Chief leading the Enquiry, has been 'Sacked', that it means the Case,

against Gerry & Kate, is 'over', & so on. WRONG!!!!! The Police Chief has changed,

but the actual decision to make them Suspects was made via 4,000 Pages

of Statements & Evidence. I will remind everyone that all 4,000 Pages STILL

exist!

 

They are not gioing to turn into Dust, just because a Portuguese Cop has been

'Sacked'.

 

We will see how this Case develops, but it is NOT over - yet!

Edited October 3, 200717 yr by zeus555

...... that cop in charge being sacked is interesting, for apparently (if this is true its rather disturbing) he was being directed in the enquiry by the mccanns! how does that work?

Good god mr mac you are writing novels in response ... I CAN 100% ASSURE YOU ... they the SKY/MCANNS news did say

their offical source has said , a COMPLETE MATCH and a partial match in that car they hired and also ... a significant amount of blood a spray of blood in their apartment belonging to maddie ... listen to * the truth* documenatry again and you will hear..

Their source in portugal has confirmed here was a complete match and also a partial match as i say ... thats condeming evidence

in my opinion . And when someone makes a humorous quip it does not automatically make them * childish*.

You do though seem hell bent in their defence you dont even hear on the documenatry .. significant statements , that tells me you didn't want to hear it and you are not being impartial . ;)

Edited October 5, 200717 yr by credible

As regards the McCanns contradicting what they say. It is nothing to do with

the fact that their Statements have not been made Public. They have contradicted

themselves in Interviews - to the UK Media. They have told about 3 or 4 different

versions of what happened on May 3rd. Luckily, the UK Police, Portuguese Police,

& numerous Psychologists & Psychiatrists will have collected the lot together

- every Interview - & every contradiction will be studied.

I agree with the above zeus .. they have more versions of events than harry houdini had escapes!

Why didn't he beat a confession out of the Mcanns ? Come on you dont now the fact about that case .. the woman in question

was caught in bed with her brother .. by her daughter .. and her fridge was covered in blood from her missing daughter that and other evidence that a jury in portugal and a judge decided she and her brother were guilty . If you were going to beat a confession out of a suspect you wouldn't giver her two humungous black eyes ( have you seen the pics )?... they would beat you with a blanket wrapped around your body certainly not your face ... again another numpty taking the pj's for morons .

 

The only people who know where madeline is the Mcanns them teflon coated selfs .

 

 

My final point .. the reason the mconns were not requestioned was nothing to do with a lack of evidence ... They as is their right had been advised by their lawyer to make no further comment if requestioned bit pointless re-questioning them dont you think ?

And that was the reason nothing to do with a lack of evidence at all .

The Diana inquest has certainly knocked the story off the front pages hasn't it?

this threads descended into farce... ifs and buts.. speculation on nothing more then supposition.

 

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