Posted May 4, 200619 yr Credit: Music Week BPI figures issued today reveal that rock music was the most popular genre in the UK last year, capturing a 36.2% share of the entire market. Rock music also gained a best-ever 23.5% market share of the singles market, with Gorillaz' Feel Good Inc claiming the top selling rock single of 2005. UK record companies offered music fans 31,291 new album releases across more than 16 official genres in 2005 - more than double the number of albums released a decade ago. BPI chairman Peter Jamieson says, "Record companies support a hugely diverse range of genres, but ultimately it's the music fan who decides what's successful. Last year they decided by some margin that 2005 was predominantly a year of home-grown British rock bands." Coldplay's X&Y and Kaiser Chiefs Employment were the best selling rock albums of 2005, with seven out of the Top 10 rock albums and nine out of the Top 10 rock singles being by UK artists. British artists claimed 49.4% of last year's total album sales.
May 4, 200619 yr Gorillaz, Coldplay and Kaiser Chiefs Rock music??? To me, Coldplay and Kaisers are basically Britpop bands (it takes a wee bit more than having guitars to be a Rock band otherwise The Beatles, The Beach Boys and Cliff and The Shadows would be considered Rock....) and Gorillaz are a hybrid Dance/Reggae/Britpop band.... Typical of the BPI really, no fukkin clue what actually constitutes Rock music.... Rock is stuff like HIM, RHCP, Marilyn Manson, Evanescence, Pearl Jam, etc.....
May 4, 200619 yr Gorillaz, Coldplay and Kaiser Chiefs Rock music??? To me, Coldplay and Kaisers are basically Britpop bands (it takes a wee bit more than having guitars to be a Rock band otherwise The Beatles, The Beach Boys and Cliff and The Shadows would be considered Rock....) and Gorillaz are a hybrid Dance/Reggae/Britpop band.... Typical of the BPI really, no fukkin clue what actually constitutes Rock music.... Rock is stuff like HIM, RHCP, Marilyn Manson, Evanescence, Pearl Jam, etc..... Spot on It really grates me that indie groups have hijacked the term rock music, when people ask me what music I am into I can no longer say rock music because people assume I like garbage like Coldplay :rolleyes: :rolleyes: so its really annoying that the term has been hijacked by the indie scene :angry: :angry: Edited May 4, 200619 yr by Ozzy Osbourne
May 4, 200619 yr Its the same with the term R&B too the way morons in the industry have hijacked it :rolleyes: :angry: R&B is Chuck Berry, Little Richard, Jerry Lee Lewis etc not Mariah and all the others who have hijacked the term
May 4, 200619 yr Its the same with the term R&B too the way morons in the industry have hijacked it :rolleyes: :angry: R&B is Chuck Berry, Little Richard, Jerry Lee Lewis etc not Mariah and all the others who have hijacked the term To be fair though - and I got caught out on this too - the modern day "R&B" does not mean "Rhythm and Blues" as we would know it, it actually means "Rhythm and Bass". Agreed that it is a tad confusing.... And to be fair to Indie, that term in itself has been hijacked as well, there are very few real Indie bands that exist anymore... There used to be a sub-genre called "Indie Rock" in the early 90s, which was fine, because it actually had meaning and was sufficiently differentiated from the more "Classic Rock" of bands like AC/DC or Maiden...
May 5, 200619 yr If you use the simplest definition I can think of - Rock is music where, besides vocals, the guitar is the lead instrument then I reckon it sorta makes sense. Apart from Gorillaz. What the hell are they talking about?
May 5, 200619 yr Rhythm & Bass - but surely 'drum' is rhythm, therefore drum n bass artists Goldie, Dillinger and Krust & Die are eligible for the RnB charts? Why didn't they just call it "caterwauling over limp production" or COLP?
May 5, 200619 yr If you use the simplest definition I can think of - Rock is music where, besides vocals, the guitar is the lead instrument then I reckon it sorta makes sense. Trouble is, if you take that definition, then that would include the likes of Busted or McFly, and I dont seriously think you can make a case for either of them being Rock music...
May 5, 200619 yr Well over the years 'Rock' has constantly re-invented itself and so obviously when you say 'rock music' these days you think about the current indie bands like Franz Ferdinand or Arctic Monkeys but at the same time people describe the harder stuff like the Emo bands (MCR, FFAF) and you also have the bands that don't really use guitars as much like Coldplay and Keane that are described as rock as the same people who like most of the current bands also like them. It's weird but that's the way it seems to work ;) We can't just make up a new name for a genre every ten years just because 'rock' music sounds ever so slightly different and new bands are described as 'rock' can we ;) Speaking of Gorillaz I can't think of what to describe them as but because of Damon I always put them as rock even though they aren't if that makes sense. :lol: Anyway it's definitely been the best music in the past year so it deserves to have the biggest share :D Pop needs another Spice Girls if it is to overtake again. ;)
May 5, 200619 yr It's pretty simple to me - Coldplay, Franz Ferdinand, Arctic Monkeys, Keane, U2, etc - Guitar-based Pop or Britpop; My Chemical Romance, Blink 182 and their ilk and their ilk - Punk-Pop. The likes of Marilyn Manson, HIM, Red Hot Chili Peppers, Queens of the Stone Age who have a harsher sound and lyrical content, and a less clean-cut image - Rock or Hard Rock Where's the confusion...?
May 5, 200619 yr Genre is an artificial concept though. I've seen books called stuff like 'Rock Superstars' that have Madonna and Michael Jackson on the cover. Rock in that context is the same as the broad definition of 'pop music'- i.e ALL music that is popular. It's all relative. I don't get too bothered about labels. They're just there to make things easier to understand, even though they very rarely do.
May 5, 200619 yr Well they're all classed as 'rock' ;) It's easy to determine between the kinds of rock but when as you said when you said you like rock music they think you mean bands like Kaisers and The Killers but yet some other people might think you mean something like Iron Maiden ;) If they use Guitars or are in that kind of music (here I'm talking about bands like Coldplay) and promote through gigs around the country and play at the festivals then that's Rock, if they use Guitars and are on CD:UK or whatever all the time to promote their music like McFly or Rooster then they're a pop band. In an attempt to simplify my point ( :lol: ) I think the article talks about rock music in terms of the audience with Gorillaz as that was promoted to a rock audience but at the same time had an obvious pop appeal to it. ;) Don't know if I've got my point across clearly enough in my two posts... :unsure: :lol:
May 5, 200619 yr I have a huge problem with things that are mis-labeled. And all this 'music is just music' argument is just totally unconvincing. One size does not fit all, which is why we have genres, and why those genres must maintain some sort of integrity and be clearly defined, otherwise confusion does reign; you cannot possibly compare Coldplay or Keane to Marilyn Manson or HIM and say it's essentially the same thing, because it is clearly NOT. Different styles, different approaches, different images, different ideas to making music...
May 5, 200619 yr Well that's the way THEY do it is what I'm saying... It's not how I see it as I would use the sub genres like Indie, Punk, Metal, Emo etc., fair enough that sometimes R&B and Hip-Hop is put together to be 'Urban' as they are very similar but one you have people singing and the other one you have someone 'talking' (well basically...) but simplifying everything to just be Pop, Rock, Urban, Dance, Country etc. can't really be done IMO if you're going to put together sales from albums as a WHOLE but it's what they do which does cause debate like this one has by classing Gorillaz as 'rock'. ;)
May 5, 200619 yr Grandwicky - Of course, you are quite correct - it is the BPI and the Music Industry in general that is creating this fudge of the issue. They've created the problem essentially by the mis-labelling. But of course the problem has come about because of what happened in the early 90s and the explosion of Indie and Indie Rock; you had all the majors going around poaching bands off Indie labels (and really, you can't blame the bands themselves, when someone waves a big cheque in front of you, it's kinda hard to resist) and the demise of labels such as Factory, Creation, etc who were bought-out by major labels. The you had the quite ridiculous appropriation of the whole 'Indie' ethos by Major labels who came out with these supposedly "Indie" sub-labels to confuse the issue even further... ..And then you have the music press - the likes of Kerrang!! (traditionally a Metal mag) promoting the likes of Busted and Linkin Park, and NME trying to sell us Britpop as being Indie.... No wonder the record-buying punter is totally confused these days....
May 5, 200619 yr Hmm...I don't feel we need to pigeonhole everything. Most genres are dreamt up by the NME in order to create a scene which they can overcelebrate for two months before inventing a new one. What's the big one just now? Nu-Yorkshire?
May 5, 200619 yr as i said on another forum. maybe indie is only a term known in the united kingdom and globally it means nowt. like sweeties and candy. abroad it could all be seen as rock as indie is alternative rck, metal is hard rock and classic rock etc etc
May 5, 200619 yr What's the big one just now? Nu-Yorkshire? is this because yorkshire is messed around a lot and hull was created in humber and then not in humber
May 6, 200619 yr Hmm...I don't feel we need to pigeonhole everything. Most genres are dreamt up by the NME in order to create a scene which they can overcelebrate for two months before inventing a new one. What's the big one just now? Nu-Yorkshire? The NME is full of sh!t though, they didn't create Rock or Indie/Independent or Alternative, although they seem to like to think they did. I vividly remember some of the totally c**p classifications they came up with in the past - 'Romo' (which was revivalist New Romantic scene in the early 90s which died on its arse because it meant absolutely sod all to anyone outside NW1), 'New Wave of New Wave' (really sh!tty bands such as These Animal Men and S.M.A.S.H., again, meant sod all to anyone outside North London).... But, 'Britpop' seems to have stuck and I think is actually a fairly good classification - British Guitar-based Pop bands....
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