Posted October 11, 200717 yr The Chief Constable of North Wales Police Richard Bronstorm, is calling for drugs to be legalised. ''In the past, Mr Brunstrom has said drugs laws are out of date and that the police are engaged in a battle which they cannot win. He is now campaigning for drugs to be legalised, and for the class A, B and C system to be scrapped. In a report to be presented to the North Wales Police Authority next Monday, he says the Misuse of Drugs Act 1971 should be replaced by a new "Substance Misuse Act". '' What do you think about this issue? I think it would actual be a good thing, and free police officers to battle crimes where there are distinct victims and not people who choose to abuse themselves. I think other kind of help should be available to drug users as I can't see how giving them a criminal record helps anyone who is addicted to a substance helps.
October 11, 200717 yr Yes I agree with him Take drugs out of the gangsters and pimps and legalise and control the whole thing No more turf wars, no more crime caused by people who are threatened by gangsters who will kneecap them if they are in debt over drugs and so on
October 11, 200717 yr Yes I agree with him Take drugs out of the gangsters and pimps and legalise and control the whole thing No more turf wars, no more crime caused by people who are threatened by gangsters who will kneecap them if they are in debt over drugs and so on do you honestly believe that ALL drug related crime would be prevented? i dont.
October 11, 200717 yr do you honestly believe that ALL drug related crime would be prevented? i dont. Not all but even if a large chunk of it was prevented then it would be better than the current situation There was probably the same fuss about legalising alcohol decades ago, there was probably the same fuss about legalising tobacco People are going to take drugs no matter what so better to take them out of the hands of the yardies and have people pay tax on them and the tax on them go to help treatment programs and so on
October 11, 200717 yr do you honestly believe that ALL drug related crime would be prevented? i dont. But the most important ones would be - the gang/turf wars, the illegal trade, no more 'contaminated' products either, and ultimately the Cartels would likely become a thing of the past.... I think the proof is obvious, Drugs prohibition is not working any more than the Volstead Act of 1920s America did, in fact it's considerably more of an abject failure.... You cant stop people from doing monumentally stupid things to themselves, but what you can do is ensure they do these stupid things as safely as possible, hence the reasons why we have Pubs and Off Licences instead of the Mafia controlling the alcohol supply, it was the illegal booze like Moonshine and Rotgut that was killing most people, not the legal alcohol...
October 11, 200717 yr Not all but even if a large chunk of it was prevented then it would be better than the current situation There was probably the same fuss about legalising alcohol decades ago, there was probably the same fuss about legalising tobacco People are going to take drugs no matter what so better to take them out of the hands of the yardies and have people pay tax on them and the tax on them go to help treatment programs and so on 100% in agreement with you Craig... It's not a perfect solution, but it's certainly less imperfect than the situation that exists now...
October 11, 200717 yr i find this really strange that the 2 people bemoaning the 'ethics' of removing a disabled girls womb should support the legalisation of poisons! pretty bizarre !!!
October 11, 200717 yr i find this really strange that the 2 people bemoaning the 'ethics' of removing a disabled girls womb should support the legalisation of poisons! pretty bizarre !!! Make that 3 ^_^
October 11, 200717 yr But the most important ones would be - the gang/turf wars, the illegal trade, no more 'contaminated' products either, and ultimately the Cartels would likely become a thing of the past.... I think the proof is obvious, Drugs prohibition is not working any more than the Volstead Act of 1920s America did, in fact it's considerably more of an abject failure.... You cant stop people from doing monumentally stupid things to themselves, but what you can do is ensure they do these stupid things as safely as possible, hence the reasons why we have Pubs and Off Licences instead of the Mafia controlling the alcohol supply, it was the illegal booze like Moonshine and Rotgut that was killing most people, not the legal alcohol... Totally agree... look at the Netherlands (specifically Amsterdam). They've legalized prostitution in a very limited area with very strict measures to control it. And that has helped tremendously to lower crime, reduce human trafficking, and lower STD rates. As we all know, they've legalized marijana but kept control over its sale and this has been a widely successful campaign as well. Think of it, if they legalized drugs, they could keep better control over their distribution and they'll be able to tax the $h!t out of it like they do cigarettes and liquor! How can they lose??
October 11, 200717 yr By the way, I don't think they should legalize ALL drugs. But marijuana certainly... and others perhaps... they would have to be investigated
October 11, 200717 yr If feeling on this issue and I don't know the specifics is that the 'Chief Constable' speaks much sense.
October 11, 200717 yr Totally agree... look at the Netherlands (specifically Amsterdam). They've legalized prostitution in a very limited area with very strict measures to control it. And that has helped tremendously to lower crime, reduce human trafficking, and lower STD rates. As we all know, they've legalized marijana but kept control over its sale and this has been a widely successful campaign as well. Think of it, if they legalized drugs, they could keep better control over their distribution and they'll be able to tax the $h!t out of it like they do cigarettes and liquor! How can they lose?? Sorry, Rob. But this is my sentiments as well. Certainly for marijuana.
October 12, 200717 yr Author do you honestly believe that ALL drug related crime would be prevented? i dont. Not all crime around drugs would be stopped, but most of it would, and lets face it if we reduced drug related crime by only 50% it would be a lot of free prison space for violent offenders
October 12, 200717 yr Sorry, Rob. But this is my sentiments as well. Certainly for marijuana. why sorry?... i haven't said if i agree or not... i do see the benefits of it and would probably agree with legalisation. i was pointing out the discrepancies with some members waving the 'ethics' flag for one case but then conveniantly ignoring ethics for another. as i see it i'd find the ethical concept of legalising drugs a far bigger issue then the ethical case for 1 disabled girls opporation! i'm begining to think that someone's arguing points for the sake of it... ;)
October 12, 200717 yr Author why sorry?... i haven't said if i agree or not... i do see the benefits of it and would probably agree with legalisation. i was pointing out the discrepancies with some members waving the 'ethics' flag for one case but then conveniantly ignoring ethics for another. as i see it i'd find the ethical concept of legalising drugs a far bigger issue then the ethical case for 1 disabled girls opporation! i'm begining to think that someone's arguing points for the sake of it... ;) Or maybe they are such different issues that peoples ethics can be surprisingly different in each situation
October 12, 200717 yr Totally agree... look at the Netherlands (specifically Amsterdam). They've legalized prostitution in a very limited area with very strict measures to control it. And that has helped tremendously to lower crime, reduce human trafficking, and lower STD rates. As we all know, they've legalized marijana but kept control over its sale and this has been a widely successful campaign as well. Think of it, if they legalized drugs, they could keep better control over their distribution and they'll be able to tax the $h!t out of it like they do cigarettes and liquor! How can they lose?? I'm all for legalizing drugs but I'm fully against legalizing prostitution! If the people that are addicted and want to get drugs legalized it's going to cost more so they'll go to someone who's selling it cheaper. The addicts are still going to find ways of trying to fund their habit if they can't afford it.
October 12, 200717 yr Or maybe they are such different issues that peoples ethics can be surprisingly different in each situation course they are differing situations, but both cases involve ethics.
October 12, 200717 yr i find this really strange that the 2 people bemoaning the 'ethics' of removing a disabled girls womb should support the legalisation of poisons! pretty bizarre !!! You can't even compare the two issues, chalk and cheese mate, not only is it not the same ballpark, it ain't even the same game.... :lol: And anyway, I didn't come down for or against removing the girl's womb as such, what i actually said was it had potentially adverse repercussions and it could lead to legal precedent being set.... Different issues, different set of ethics and arguments....
October 12, 200717 yr ....i do see the benefits of it and would probably agree with legalisation. i was pointing out the discrepancies with some members waving the 'ethics' flag for one case but then conveniantly ignoring ethics for another. as i see it i'd find the ethical concept of legalising drugs a far bigger issue then the ethical case for 1 disabled girls opporation! i'm begining to think that someone's arguing points for the sake of it... ;) I don’t agree with what you said here. People are using drugs, making it illegal doesn’t change that they still use it. When I read “the ethical concept of legalising drugs” I presume you mean that drugs are illegal because it would stop people from using it…so it would be a way to help those people to stop using drugs or to never start using it in the first place? I don’t think it’s working that way….people still use drugs and will continue using it. Now I think that legalising drugs will be a better way of taking care of these people, if drugs are legal it will be easier to control the quality of the drugs and it would also be easier to get and cheaper so there would be less criminality on the streets….no more drug dealers controlling the streets at night making the city unsafe for others. It will be in the hands of the government and they will have more control on the whole thing. They could use all the money they use for tracking down the drug dealers on better drug education programs and campaigns on schools to prevent as much young people as possible from starting to use drugs. Tell them about all the different kind of drugs and what they do to you. I think that will be a better and in my opinion more ethical way to try to stop people from using drugs then to just say it’s not allowed and they will get punished if they do it!!! And it will be better for the people on the street aswell…. I hope this makes sense if not I hope that someone who is English can explain better....
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