so, Mr Brown seems to have agreed to the 'Treaty' in Lisbon yesterday, with the final signing of the document not far off.

 

The media seems to want his head on a plate because he reneged on his promise to offer the British public a referendum on the treaty/constitution.

 

In these days when newspapers can make and break politicians, I believe he's dug his own grave - there's no way on earth he will be our next PM.

 

What do others think - should we have had a referendum or not?

I don't think the general public care about Europe tbh its a minor issue certainly not one that would feature highly in the voting plans of anyone with a double digit IQ or higher

 

Tax, economy, health, education, crime, immigration and so on are far more important issues than an irrelevant side issue like Europe

Tax, economy, health, education, crime, immigration and so on are far more important issues than an irrelevant side issue like Europe

 

 

do you truly, honestly believe that eacfh one of the issues you mentioned will not be affected by the treaty? I suggest you have a read through it - it's available on the web.

i kinda agree with craig in as much that i dont think jo public know enough about the subject to comment properly. i dont know what the treaty is about or how it may effect me...

 

i dont share your vitriol though russ towards maggie brown... he WILL be our next pm unless things go seriously wrong or a miracle occurs and the tories get a decent leader.

I think Brown could have a problem on the trust issue, both him & Blair promised it to get elected, then reneged after they got back in, and have now basicly stuck 2 fingers up to the British public, saying you guys ain't clever enough to understand it so we decided. Why promise a referendum then if it was not a big issue. How stupid and condecending are they, The Sun and other papers have got this as a big issue, and when it comes election time loads of sun readers vote with the papers view, Last time they backed Labour , they might not next time.

 

Lots of voters vote the way their daily newspaper's editorial viewpoint. This could lose Brown loads of votes, especially if the EU makes major changes to the way we run things.

 

Just look how we stand up to the EU when they say we can't use pounds and ounces. Only time will tell.

 

Just look how we stand up to the EU when they say we can't use pounds and ounces. Only time will tell.

 

Britain was suppose to become metric by 1979, we broke that agreement, the EU never demanded that only metric measures could be used it was always happy for both imperial and metric to be displayed, the UK tabloids lie about Europe all the time

 

It also seems crazy young people have been taught the metric system for almost 40 years yet papers declare everything should be imperial, Australia, New Zealand, Canada, and Ireland have managed the switch without any problems, why can't we, or are British people too thick to cope with a change?

Just look how we stand up to the EU when they say we can't use pounds and ounces. Only time will tell.

Britain was suppose to become metric by 1979, we broke that agreement, the EU never demanded that only metric measures could be used it was always happy for both imperial and metric to be displayed, the UK tabloids lie about Europe all the time

 

It also seems crazy young people have been taught the metric system for almost 40 years yet papers declare everything should be imperial, Australia, New Zealand, Canada, and Ireland have managed the switch without any problems, why can't we, or are British people too thick to cope with a change?

 

not at all... i believe its simply that we dont WANT to go metric. itll be seen as us losing our identity to brussels.

I agree with Russ.

 

Brown has been nothing short of an utter disgrace, since he become Prime Minister. I think it is unforgivable the way he has "sold England by the Euro" over this issue. (I should stress as a Liverpool FC supporter, I refuse to buy The Sun newspaper, and think its best use is if you run out of toilet paper. So my thoughts over the issue are entirely independent to a scumbag Rupert Murdoch media franchise.) If you think he is seriously going to get the Labour Government another election victory, then you are seriously underrating the disgust & contempt I and others Labour voters have for him. Inviting Margaret Thatcher to 10 Downing Street made my stomach churn.

 

At least Tony B-liar was never a hypocrite. When Gordon Brown became Prime Minister he promised that he would be different to B-liar, with regards the use of spin. But he has been far, far worse, because he has brazenly nicked Conservative policies, he controls a puppet Chancellor Of The Exchequer & has reversed Blair's policy for reducing the borrowing of Great Britain and is awfully ineffective at Prime Minister's Question Time.

no wonder Brown didn't want an election :rolleyes:

not at all... i believe its simply that we dont WANT to go metric. itll be seen as us losing our identity to brussels.

 

What a load of rubbish... The metric system is by far the most sensible, logical and easy way to measure weights, heights, distances, etc..... 100cm = 1m, 1000m = 1km, 1000g = 1kg... What's so hard about that then....? As for it being "foreign", well that particular supposition has been rather short-circuited by the theory that a british scientist called John Wilkins was the first to describe the metric system in 1668, over a hundred years before the French adopted the idea.....

 

So, are we just going to ignore the metric system, just cut off our own noses to spite our faces....? Seems ironic to me that in Britain, we would deny what could possibly be an originally British invention just because the French had the vision and nous to adapt to it before we did.....

 

Sorry mate, to me, this refusal to take up the Metric system is just pure pig-headedness, stupidity and ignorance of our own country's history... Another example of our Xenophobic obsessions to not go along with "funny foreign" ideas, even if these "funny foreign" ideas were actually ours in the first sodding place.....

 

Stupid.... -_-