Has she really though? I keep reading that she's been around for years but if she's as good as everyone says she is surely she would've made it without needing X-Factor?

 

Aye I agree with that. Just listened to the album and she is amazing I must say - I'm not usually impressed by reality TV show music but I'm astounded that she couldn't make it without the X Factor :o

 

However I think it's true as I read that a record label that were with her before she auditioned for X Factor want to release an album of songs she did for them...

If any act who'd done it previous had been as good as Arctic Monkeys they'd have done it. But they weren't and didn't.

 

They came from nowhere and at a time when everyone thought illegal downloading was such a bad thing and ruining the music industry they still gave their music away to get noticed. Before Arctic Monkeys, only a few smaller bands were doing it. Now, everyone's doing it. The impact they had was massive.

 

Granted, by the time their album was out they did have a lot of exposure but their first number one was purely down to them and was no way down to any kind of hype or promotion. The majority of people were predicting a Sugababes vs McFly battle for the top. On here, (or was probably CC then) about 95% of people said that and had never heard of them when they got their number one. Who hasn't heard of Leona now? Probably about the 5% that had heard of Arctic Monkeys.

 

That means nothing, myspace is just a wider version of what all artists do - put demos together and send it to people. Delta Goodrem herself said she put together a load of demos and sent them to friends and relatives and all kinds of people cos that person might know that person etc.

 

If it hadn't have been them it would have been someone else. Its called right place, right time.

Has she really though? I keep reading that she's been around for years but if she's as good as everyone says she is surely she would've made it without needing X-Factor?

 

There could be a thousand reasons why she didn't make it before XF. I could ask the same: if Arctic Monkeys were so good, why did they need MySpace? Why didn't they just slog away doing gigs to try and get noticed? It's called outlets into the industry and people shouldn't look down on those who use reality shows as they are a good outlet.

That means nothing, myspace is just a wider version of what all artists do - put demos together and send it to people. Delta Goodrem herself said she put together a load of demos and sent them to friends and relatives and all kinds of people cos that person might know that person etc.

 

If it hadn't have been them it would have been someone else. Its called right place, right time.

 

The thing is though, Arctic Monkeys didn't put their music up on MySpace. The demo CDs were given out at gigs they did and word just traveled from there. Fans put the music up on MySpace, up until April of 2006 [i think] Arctic Monkeys MySpace page was owned by a fan until it was bought of them.

There could be a thousand reasons why she didn't make it before XF. I could ask the same: if Arctic Monkeys were so good, why did they need MySpace? Why didn't they just slog away doing gigs to try and get noticed? It's called outlets into the industry and people shouldn't look down on those who use reality shows as they are a good outlet.

 

Agree 100%

The thing is though, Arctic Monkeys didn't put their music up on MySpace. The demo CDs were given out at gigs they did and word just traveled from there. Fans put the music up on MySpace, up until April of 2006 [i think] Arctic Monkeys MySpace page was owned by a fan until it was bought of them.

 

They might not have put them up but that exposure certainly helped them, just like the X-Factor exposure helped Leona.

There could be a thousand reasons why she didn't make it before XF. I could ask the same: if Arctic Monkeys were so good, why did they need MySpace? Why didn't they just slog away doing gigs to try and get noticed? It's called outlets into the industry and people shouldn't look down on those who use reality shows as they are a good outlet.

Erm, they did! That's why they could've filled the new bands tent at Reading more than two times over. Because they'd done nothing but tour and build up an existing fanbase.

That means nothing, myspace is just a wider version of what all artists do - put demos together and send it to people. Delta Goodrem herself said she put together a load of demos and sent them to friends and relatives and all kinds of people cos that person might know that person etc.

 

If it hadn't have been them it would have been someone else. Its called right place, right time.

Maybe so. But still, they did it because of their quality. If countless other bands were doing it as you say, there must have been something special about them.

 

Reality shows may be a good ways of getting into the industry but you become a puppet for industry big boys. If Leona can pull herself aways from that like the likes of Will Young and Girls Aloud I'll have a lot of respect for her but until then she's just another in a long line of people Cowell and co will manipulate just to make their next buck.

Edited November 11, 200717 yr by RabbitFurCoat

There are some completely ignorant posts being made in this thread that are bordering on offensive regarding slating the Arctic Monkeys & worshipping Leona Lewis.

 

For starters the Arctic Monkeys were a genuine organic word of (internet) mouth.

 

Arctic Monkeys achieved their success through fan-made demo tapes and online file-sharing. They were heralded as one of the first acts to come to the public attention via the Internet, with many commentators suggesting they represented the possibility of a change in the way in which new bands are promoted and marketed. The band eventually signed to the independent record label Domino Records despite several bigger offers from Major record labels because they wanted to retain control of their own promotion.

 

The Arctic Monkeys deserve every bit of their success due to their uncanny knack for great indie rock tunes, with very modern social contemporary lyrics showing that they are a worthy successor to the likes of The Kinks, The Jam & The Smiths.

 

Whilst Leona Lewis clearly possesses a technically near perfect voice, it is clear that she never made it in the music industry despite going to the Sylvia Young Talent School, the Italia Conti School & the BRIT School, and going to America having been invited to do a showcase for Sony USA, she had been unsuccessful getting a record contract prior to X Factor because she clearly lacks a personality when it comes to interviews. And her vocal talents are a hybrid of early Mariah Carey meets early Whitney Houston which has been done before.

 

But hey no doubt you agree with everything Simon (Cowell) says?

 

After all, how can you argue with a former head of A&R who passed on the option of signing Robbie Williams as a solo artist; turned down signing the Spice Girls & was responsible for dropping Kylie Minogue from the BMG dance offshoot Deconstruction label.

 

But before Pop Idol/X-Factor he gave the world Sinitta, Sonia, Robson & Jerome, Westlife, Five, Teletubbies, Zig & Zag, Il Divo, World Wrestling Federation All Stars & Mighty Morphin Power Rangers so who am I to argue that Leona Lewis is not brilliant?

 

After all he thought Will Young was "distinctly average" & last night he said Hope were "Better than any girl group around today". :rolleyes:

 

... & last night he said Hope were "Better than any girl group around today". :rolleyes:

 

:w00t: :w00t: :w00t: I almost choked on my Ovaltine and Red Wine when he said that!

 

Norma

 

Leona is succesfull because she has a fantastic talent. If people just followed simon cowel then Hope would not have been in the bottom 2 last week.

You cant hype an act that doesn't have the required talent, and hope dont, Leona does.

 

^^^ Great Post (Tip)

 

Arctic Monkeys deserve their fame... They stayed on a Independent label despite being offered a contract by a bigger label (And no doubt, More money) because they thought it was right. They should not be shunned for that.

 

And no doubt that many people believe most that comes out of Simon Cowell's mouth. Not because of the fact that his Artists make good music, but becasue of the fact that he has his own Tv Show.. And becasue most people think that everything he says... Is right.

Edited November 11, 200717 yr by Jonny

There are some completely ignorant posts being made in this thread that are bordering on offensive regarding slating the Arctic Monkeys & worshipping Leona Lewis.

 

For starters the Arctic Monkeys were a genuine organic word of (internet) mouth.

 

Arctic Monkeys achieved their success through fan-made demo tapes and online file-sharing. They were heralded as one of the first acts to come to the public attention via the Internet, with many commentators suggesting they represented the possibility of a change in the way in which new bands are promoted and marketed. The band eventually signed to the independent record label Domino Records despite several bigger offers from Major record labels because they wanted to retain control of their own promotion.

 

The Arctic Monkeys deserve every bit of their success due to their uncanny knack for great indie rock tunes, with very modern social contemporary lyrics showing that they are a worthy successor to the likes of The Kinks, The Jam & The Smiths.

 

Whilst Leona Lewis clearly possesses a technically near perfect voice, it is clear that she never made it in the music industry despite going to the Sylvia Young Talent School, the Italia Conti School & the BRIT School, and going to America having been invited to do a showcase for Sony USA, she had been unsuccessful getting a record contract prior to X Factor because she clearly lacks a personality when it comes to interviews. And her vocal talents are a hybrid of early Mariah Carey meets early Whitney Houston which has been done before.

 

But hey no doubt you agree with everything Simon (Cowell) says?

 

After all, how can you argue with a former head of A&R who passed on the option of signing Robbie Williams as a solo artist; turned down signing the Spice Girls & was responsible for dropping Kylie Minogue from the BMG dance offshoot Deconstruction label.

 

But before Pop Idol/X-Factor he gave the world Sinitta, Sonia, Robson & Jerome, Westlife, Five, Teletubbies, Zig & Zag, Il Divo, World Wrestling Federation All Stars & Mighty Morphin Power Rangers so who am I to argue that Leona Lewis is not brilliant?

 

After all he thought Will Young was "distinctly average" & last night he said Hope were "Better than any girl group around today". :rolleyes:

 

I can't believe the ignorance coming from you either. People can make up their own minds, Simon Cowell can't force someone to have an opinion. If you dislike something and Simon likes it, how does his opinion convert yours?

 

And oh yeah, Arctic Monkeys are successful because of their personalities and interviews right? They are so overhyped and overrated in my opinion. :)

Has this thread gone a little awry? I thought it was LL V SG. It also seems to be getting a little heated.

 

Norma!

Sorry Norma. I just sick of people saying I like Leona cos Simon cowel told me to. I like Leona because I think she has a fantastic voice and I really enjoy listening to her.

 

Sorry Norma. I just sick of people saying I like Leona cos Simon cowel told me to. I like Leona because I think she has a fantastic voice and I really enjoy listening to her.

 

Exactly! Simon also praised Steve Brookstein at the time and I didn't rate him at all. It's insulting to say people can't form their own opinions.

I can't believe the ignorance coming from you either. People can make up their own minds, Simon Cowell can't force someone to have an opinion. If you dislike something and Simon likes it, how does his opinion convert yours?

 

And oh yeah, Arctic Monkeys are successful because of their personalities and interviews right? They are so overhyped and overrated in my opinion. :)

 

Well in that case nearly all the music critics are wrong because you must be right. :rolleyes:

 

As for Leona Lewis, I bought a downloaded copy of her current single because it is a really good song. However, it is clear that your ears are closed to other types of music.

 

I don't like Britney Spears but I bought her album because it is really good. Whilst I really like Kylie (I've bought her previous 5 studio albums) but her new single is very poor.

 

As for people being able to make up there own minds then how come the X Factor winner always has the Christmas #1 irrespective of its poor quality (i.e. like the inferior cover of a Kelly Clarkson song last Xmas)?

 

How come the X Factor winner sells huge quantities in the first week, then fails to sell more than the first week sales for following six months until it is discounted to a Woolworths bargain bin to £3.

 

How come runners up from the X-Factor competition release awful albums full of covers which sell loads around Mother's Day then rapidly sink down the chart, so they end up being dropped by Syco record label?

 

Answer: Because Simon says so! A hell of a lot of people are sheep otherwise they would not sell. If it was all about music quality then Westlife would have stopped selling years ago, but because they continue to be raved over by (their manager) Louis Walsh & (their Record Company Head) Simon Cowell then they sell ridiculous amounts of albums in the run in to Xmas (when a certain TV talent show is on) only to sink like a stone soon afterwards.

Well in that case nearly all the music critics are wrong because you must be right. :rolleyes:

 

As for Leona Lewis, I bought a downloaded copy of her current single because it is a really good song. However, it is clear that your ears are closed to other types of music.

 

I don't like Britney Spears but I bought her album because it is really good. Whilst I really like Kylie (I've bought her previous 5 studio albums) but her new single is very poor.

 

As for people being able to make up there own minds then how come the X Factor winner always has the Christmas #1 irrespective of its poor quality (i.e. like the inferior cover of a Kelly Clarkson song last Xmas)?

 

How come the X Factor winner sells huge quantities in the first week, then fails to sell more than the first week sales for following six months until it is discounted to a Woolworths bargain bin to £3.

 

How come runners up from the X-Factor competition release awful albums full of covers which sell loads around Mother's Day then rapidly sink down the chart, so they end up being dropped by Syco record label?

 

Answer: Because Simon says so! A hell of a lot of people are sheep otherwise they would not sell. If it was all about music quality then Westlife would have stopped selling years ago, but because they continue to be raved over by (their manager) Louis Walsh & (their Record Company Head) Simon Cowell then they sell ridiculous amounts of albums in the run in to Xmas only to sink like a stone soon afterwards.

 

You don't know me at all so I don't know how you can come to the conclusion that it's clear my ears are closed because I don't rate one particular band. I like a wide range of music and IMO, bands such as The Feeling and Daughtry are far superior to Arctic Monkeys.

 

That's nothing to do with Simon, that's to do with the show. These contestants are on it every week and gain huge exposure from it. People invest their time into caring for these contestants so that's why they do well in the short term. The long term though is a different story. Leona's single and album pre-sales are doing well because of her, not because of the show or Simon.

Edited November 11, 200717 yr by Ethereal

Well in that case nearly all the music critics are wrong because you must be right. :rolleyes:

 

As for Leona Lewis, I bought a downloaded copy of her current single because it is a really good song. However, it is clear that your ears are closed to other types of music.

 

I don't like Britney Spears but I bought her album because it is really good. Whilst I really like Kylie (I've bought her previous 5 studio albums) but her new single is very poor.

 

As for people being able to make up there own minds then how come the X Factor winner always has the Christmas #1 irrespective of its poor quality (i.e. like the inferior cover of a Kelly Clarkson song last Xmas)?

 

How come the X Factor winner sells huge quantities in the first week, then fails to sell more than the first week sales for following six months until it is discounted to a Woolworths bargain bin to £3.

 

How come runners up from the X-Factor competition release awful albums full of covers which sell loads around Mother's Day then rapidly sink down the chart, so they end up being dropped by Syco record label?

 

Answer: Because Simon says so! A hell of a lot of people are sheep otherwise they would not sell. If it was all about music quality then Westlife would have stopped selling years ago, but because they continue to be raved over by (their manager) Louis Walsh & (their Record Company Head) Simon Cowell then they sell ridiculous amounts of albums in the run in to Xmas (when a certain TV talent show is on) only to sink like a stone soon afterwards.

 

It would just simplify things if the whole X Factor thing was dropped after this series. Going off track here we know for a fact ... as bad as Hope are ... they WILL be in the final two. Because this is Simon's show and they are Simon's act. We the audience know it is all a fix. Else why don't they just let the one with the lowest vote GO! Why let the judges save them? It's to ensure that the act Simon wants stays in. Watch next week if Hope are in the bottom two ... just watch as Louis 'miraculously' saves Simon's act, because Louis and it seems the whole TV network is in Simon's enormous pocket!

 

Sorry for going of track there but I suppose it'll happen again.

 

Norma

Personally, I can't believe that anyone with a brain wouldn't see that BOTH the Arctic Monkeys and Leona Lewis are highly talented artists. They may be different styles of music but they're both clearly very, very good at what they do.