Well, true, although I haven't 100% confirmed yet. I may go for an Irish reject... or the Pet Shop Boys :)

this is totaly bull$h!t!!! and I'm sick of one/two people treating this contest as their own!

it's nonsense!!!

so anyone can come up now with their own proposal rules and change some more stuff or what?? :puke2:

Woo, everyone listen to Boyan. I have to say, making such a big decision without consulting all the moderators wasn't such a good idea. Though maybe it was assumed it wasn't such a big deal as Boyan didn't exactly speak out against the non-UK/Ireland/Sweden NFs being allowed. It just seems like, in this particular forum, everything has to be done QUICKLY! NOW! without much thought or general opinion behind it. First the #10s decision being made within 2 hours or so, now all Eurovision rejects are allowed at the request of a select few.

 

I totally agree.

 

What next - moaning about artists who came out of national Pop Idol/X-Factor shows?

If I'm being honest it's not that actual songs I'm against, it's just the idea that this contest is beginning to blend with the exact thing it's been trying to differ itself from. People can boycott cheaper entries if they wish, personally I think it's silly unless it's a MAJOR hit. I gave "Love Story" less than I should and chose not to give a song I love, "Trick Me", points last month but they were #2 hits.

 

I just see Eurovision rejects as worse than someone sending "Umbrella", even if there's a 90% chance I've never heard the song. (as it goes, I've heard Tone, Big Brovaz, Cyndi, Velvet Inc. and that thing Pavel is sending at least once before this contest.) I just strongly disagree with them being used here. Do a Eurovision Rejects Contest in the Eurovision forum instead?

 

As for your X Factor comment...I hear Trashlexis dies a little inside every time someone puts Leona Lewis on their reserve list.

Well, true, although I haven't 100% confirmed yet. I may go for an Irish reject... or the Pet Shop Boys :)

 

no :o go for velvet inc.

Snille deg?:D

Woo, everyone listen to Boyan. I have to say, making such a big decision without consulting all the moderators wasn't such a good idea. Though maybe it was assumed it wasn't such a big deal as Boyan didn't exactly speak out against the non-UK/Ireland/Sweden NFs being allowed. It just seems like, in this particular forum, everything has to be done QUICKLY! NOW! without much thought or general opinion behind it. First the #10s decision being made within 2 hours or so, now all Eurovision rejects are allowed at the request of a select few.

 

When the poll where we was going to choose spin-off, I even didn't get then chance to vote in the poll..

Woo, everyone listen to Boyan. I have to say, making such a big decision without consulting all the moderators wasn't such a good idea. Though maybe it was assumed it wasn't such a big deal as Boyan didn't exactly speak out against the non-UK/Ireland/Sweden NFs being allowed. It just seems like, in this particular forum, everything has to be done QUICKLY! NOW! without much thought or general opinion behind it. First the #10s decision being made within 2 hours or so, now all Eurovision rejects are allowed at the request of a select few.

 

thank you Aaron. on point.

someone with sense on here.

But I think we don't should go behinde others back talking.. I'm sorry to be rood, saying the moderators doing a bad job, to quick.. :(

 

I think we should lay this thing dead..

 

I hope Trash and his team next time choose to use the rules AFTER a contest and not mid-way..

So.. Good idé too quick around

When the poll where we was going to choose spin-off, I even didn't get then chance to vote in the poll..

Precisely, this time (and presumably when the NF songs were first allowed) Boyan seems to have been left out of the decision just because he skipped a contest or two and doesn't spend as long in here as the other two moderators when, I believe, it was him who introduced the contest to Buzzjack. He would have been outnumbered by Rich and Tyron with his view, but he didn't get chance to express it before Cyndi and Charlotte had been confirmed.

 

I do love Rich and Tyron, but they can get a little carried away sometimes. :lol: (admittedly it's not JUST them, other members have been instrumental to the rush decisions being made in the past)

yes Boyan was the one who brought the contest in here...ok this for sure will be forgotten by tomorrow, and without any doubt ESC-rejects will flop :kink: and everybody will be happy :heehee:

 

I love Tyron aswell, but he brought last time Anti-Cheapness movement :rofl: and now this, and it just gave me a feeling that what will happen in next one.

:mellow:

 

Last contest, a number of us who spoke out against the cheap entries faced a HUGE backlash and got told that for example, what was wrong with sending Love Story when it was Simon's favourite song at the time...fine, fair enough, I came to accept that and will now not get involved with these cheap debates as I have come to the conclusion that as long as people are sending the songs that they most want to send to the contest then fine why not!?! Right, so myself and a few others' favourite songs just so happen to be the Eurovision National Final songs...and since the introduction of the contest, we've been restricted from sending them, why? do many members of this contest happen to know the songs already? I'm sure more people knew Little Jackie and Pink's songs prior to the voting than those that will know Snalla Snalla. I have never understood the fact that this contest MUST be distanced from Eurovision, and this is moreso a view that Trashlexis has supported rather than me...why should that be sidelined as something that it should be distanced from when absolutely anything else goes, any song from anywhere in the world, as long as it's not Eurovision! It would be perfectly fine to send the winners song from Australian Idol, but not a song that came 7th in a semi-final of Melodifestivalen...I don't see the difference...

 

As a compromise in the past, like Aaron said, I've fallen back onto a 'second best' option, sending album tracks by related artists. Sanna Nielsen's Nobody Without You for example is exactly 3 minutes in length and has a key change. For all intents and purposes, it was probably written alongside Empty Room as a 'potential Eurovision track' but they decided to pick Empty Room instead. There could be a raft of songs out there that could potentially have been written for Eurovision!!! So this contest, we finally get the chance after all this time, like everyone else, to send the songs that we truly love the most, and what happens? a backlash, yet again!?!?! Why should it be ok for people to send big chart hits just because they love them, but it's not ok for us Eurovision followers to send the songs we love the most.

 

When I was considering the change, I was actually thinking more along the lines of the 2007 and earlier entries, and even I haven't heard most of these so I sincerely doubt anybody else has...I Remember Love by Sarah Dawn Finer anyone!?! Finally, Pavel has the chance to send the song that he absolutely loves the most at the moment, somebody else finally gets to send the Leona Daly song that I'd heard so much about but never listened to the other day when I was with Peter. It seems that everybody else can send any other song in the entire world, but the songs that we love the most have always been unfairly banned. And what was so great about the previous rule of allowing all of the countries apart from Britain, Ireland and Sweden? It seemed to me that you either have a rule allowing all of them or none of them, not excluding three of them. By this reckoning, Jerick could have sent Tone Damli's Aaberge's Butterflies before this rule change, and then somebody else would have moaned that it was unfair that he could have a Norwegian finalist but they couldn't have a Swedish finalist.

 

What others see as the mods making a rash decision with no thought, is actually something that's been brimming under the surface for a very long time. Why should this contest exclude Eurovision related music...if they excluded Eurovision related music in Malta, they would have no music, as everybody enters their National Finals!!! It was a completely discrimiantory rule and I'm glad it's gone...Now I'm not planning on changing my entry from Pixie but it's nice to be able to have the option to look deeper into these competitions to discover new music, as I have recently been doing with Melodifestivalen 2007, of which the songs I hadn't previously heard. At the heart of it all, it's about discovering new music...so the songs were written for a purpose to be Eurovision entries!?! Kelly Clarkson's My Life...was written with the purpose of being a huge hit comeback single! Many songs are written with a purpose and I found it absolutely appalling that many of my favourite songs were previously excluded from contention, meaning that I have not always truly been sending 'what I love the most'. So for those who were against the cheap debate saying that people should be able to send what they like, can they not see how truly obsessed Pavel is over Snalla Snalla :lol: it's quite clear that it's his favourite song and he has been dying to send it. And I'd like the option to be able to send some of these National Final songs if I think that there's a chance that others might like them...after all, this contest is about introducing songs to people that they might not have heard that you think they might love. I can't explain myself any more fully than this, but please be aware that this was not just some off the cuff move. And the contest hasn't properly started yet, you can still change your entries, and there will always be people fighting over the same songs but this time it's Snalla Snalla instead of I Kissed A Girl. We can't always all have the songs that we want...I wanted Wind It but Kath got to it first!!! Not everyone will agree with every rule change, but it's not like this one is restricting songs from being sent, rather freeing up songs...songs that many people here have been dying to share with everyone but haven't had the chance to. Why should only a select few people be able to 'send what they like' :snif:

 

There are a number of other rules that I disagree with but haven't even suggested trying to change and wouldn't ask to be changed. I don't see any problem with sending the same act twice in succession, and I wouldn't have any problem with an artist top 3 in the previous contest being sent again to the following one. I think there are too many rules in this contest, and I know many of them were transferred from the National Song Contest (NSC) on the ESCToday forum, but I don't think that all of them are fantastically suited to BJSC, they just restrict people even further from sending the songs that they want to send, Addy and the Ciara/Justin song for example. Had Jonjo sent Self Inflicted the month after Mdice had won with I Kissed A Girl, I'm not certain that it would have done any better or worse, but again this is my opinion, not a rule change that I am going to suggest. Yes I suggested the National Final eligibility rule, but I didn't implement it and would hardly have been devestated if Trash had rejected it, it was just a suggestion.

I think that's my main issue. I feel these MF/Eurovision related songs will get automatic 12s/points from some people, simply because of what they are.

 

Again, I'll wait and see though. You never know. The 'cheap' songs from the last contest ended up at the bottom. Same thing could happen here.

 

not from me at all, I judge every song by its own merits and there are some terrible Eurovision/MF songs which I would never even consider voting for...if somebody sends one of my favourites, then yes I will vote for it...like I would if any of my favourite songs were sent, Eurovision related or not

Some people need to build a bridge and get over it.

 

I don't see why using National Final failures is such a big deal. The last contest featured many "cheap" artists, and many of you sent them in their droves. So I don't think sending NF songs that most of you probably haven't even heard is such a travesty.

 

Also, isn't it a bit unfair to say you're not supporting NF songs even when 90% of you were against boycotting "cheap" entries last time? :unsure: Some of you were killed telling people that you vote for the song if it's good [regardless if it's cheap or not], why can't you do that with these?

 

It looks like a big pile of steaming bull$h!t and double standards, quite honestly.

 

Agreed 100%...it's always me in the wrong though, with the backlash in my face no matter what opinion I have :(

ooooh... useing Hitler :lol: no good -_-

 

I think we should make polls when we are changing rules.. democracy to the people..

This seems a littel "Hitler" to change the rules like this... I don't know the word for "hitler-acting".. Facisme?

 

Anyway.. it was really stupid to change this rule when.. just 2-3 people where here atm when the rulechanging happend..

 

I was here 30 minutes later when this rule where changed.. and then allready a person

Pavel

"stole"

Caroline af Ugglas - Snälla, Snälla

I don't blame him

Pavel

:lol:

 

surely this rule is better than that ridiculous previous rule of allowing every other National Final except Britain, Sweden and Ireland -_- I'd sooner we had a rule banning all of them than that one

But I think we don't should go behinde others back talking.. I'm sorry to be rood, saying the moderators doing a bad job, to quick.. :(

 

I think we should lay this thing dead..

 

I hope Trash and his team next time choose to use the rules AFTER a contest and not mid-way..

So.. Good idé too quick around

 

we always get accused of doing a bad job, we're used to it :lol: now I know why I'm in the hate chart :teresa:

OK Addy, just to emphasise, the rule about sending artists consecutively is a rule that will NEVER be changed. I would never want to get to that point where I was so drained creatively that I would have to resort to sending what I've literally just sent...

 

But that's because this has always been separate from Eurovision and it's been stressed that it's not the BJESC and over the last few months those rules are being faded away. (no doubt because it's Eurovision season -_-) Do a one-off Eurovision Rejects competition in the Eurovision forum by all means (I might have even sent the completely cheesy Liz McClarnon) but keep it away from the BJSC. Like it used to be.

 

Maybe I will like some of these entries but I'm almost certain they wont be getting anything from me, I don't like this at all. That said, I don't usually like these MF artists with different songs enough to award points anyway.

That was before this crappy rule change. I wont like your entry anyway, it's not in English.

It's just the whole Eurovision thing, like I said it's been said that 'this is not a Eurovision contest, we only borrow the points system' and now we're slowly going back on that completely. Next we'll be allowing Eurovision songs as long as they weren't used in the last 5/10 years because most of Buzzjack is too young to remember them. -_-

OK, another emphasis - we will NEVER allow Eurovision songs, unless we're doing a Eurovision spin-off. EVER. This just allows songs that you wouldn't have heard anyway - many of which, as it has been said, are big hits in their own countries despite not being selected for the ESC. I find it odd that, had Will You Remember Me Tomorrow? been considered for Eurovision selection but ultimately not gotten it, you would've all boycotted it! :lol: I find it nothing short of PURE HYPOCRISY that some people are boycotting songs on the ridiculous grounds that they were considered for entry for the ESC, but don't give a damn about cheap entries - if one is going to damage this contest more, it would be the latter (en masse) more than the former (en masse).

:mellow:

 

Last contest, a number of us who spoke out against the cheap entries faced a HUGE backlash and got told that for example, what was wrong with sending Love Story when it was Simon's favourite song at the time...fine, fair enough, I came to accept that and will now not get involved with these cheap debates as I have come to the conclusion that as long as people are sending the songs that they most want to send to the contest then fine why not!?! Right, so myself and a few others' favourite songs just so happen to be the Eurovision National Final songs...and since the introduction of the contest, we've been restricted from sending them, why? do many members of this contest happen to know the songs already? I'm sure more people knew Little Jackie and Pink's songs prior to the voting than those that will know Snalla Snalla. I have never understood the fact that this contest MUST be distanced from Eurovision, and this is moreso a view that Trashlexis has supported rather than me...why should that be sidelined as something that it should be distanced from when absolutely anything else goes, any song from anywhere in the world, as long as it's not Eurovision! It would be perfectly fine to send the winners song from Australian Idol, but not a song that came 7th in a semi-final of Melodifestivalen...I don't see the difference...

 

As a compromise in the past, like Aaron said, I've fallen back onto a 'second best' option, sending album tracks by related artists. Sanna Nielsen's Nobody Without You for example is exactly 3 minutes in length and has a key change. For all intents and purposes, it was probably written alongside Empty Room as a 'potential Eurovision track' but they decided to pick Empty Room instead. There could be a raft of songs out there that could potentially have been written for Eurovision!!! So this contest, we finally get the chance after all this time, like everyone else, to send the songs that we truly love the most, and what happens? a backlash, yet again!?!?! Why should it be ok for people to send big chart hits just because they love them, but it's not ok for us Eurovision followers to send the songs we love the most.

 

When I was considering the change, I was actually thinking more along the lines of the 2007 and earlier entries, and even I haven't heard most of these so I sincerely doubt anybody else has...I Remember Love by Sarah Dawn Finer anyone!?! Finally, Pavel has the chance to send the song that he absolutely loves the most at the moment, somebody else finally gets to send the Leona Daly song that I'd heard so much about but never listened to the other day when I was with Peter. It seems that everybody else can send any other song in the entire world, but the songs that we love the most have always been unfairly banned. And what was so great about the previous rule of allowing all of the countries apart from Britain, Ireland and Sweden? It seemed to me that you either have a rule allowing all of them or none of them, not excluding three of them. By this reckoning, Jerick could have sent Tone Damli's Aaberge's Butterflies before this rule change, and then somebody else would have moaned that it was unfair that he could have a Norwegian finalist but they couldn't have a Swedish finalist.

 

What others see as the mods making a rash decision with no thought, is actually something that's been brimming under the surface for a very long time. Why should this contest exclude Eurovision related music...if they excluded Eurovision related music in Malta, they would have no music, as everybody enters their National Finals!!! It was a completely discrimiantory rule and I'm glad it's gone...Now I'm not planning on changing my entry from Pixie but it's nice to be able to have the option to look deeper into these competitions to discover new music, as I have recently been doing with Melodifestivalen 2007, of which the songs I hadn't previously heard. At the heart of it all, it's about discovering new music...so the songs were written for a purpose to be Eurovision entries!?! Kelly Clarkson's My Life...was written with the purpose of being a huge hit comeback single! Many songs are written with a purpose and I found it absolutely appalling that many of my favourite songs were previously excluded from contention, meaning that I have not always truly been sending 'what I love the most'. So for those who were against the cheap debate saying that people should be able to send what they like, can they not see how truly obsessed Pavel is over Snalla Snalla :lol: it's quite clear that it's his favourite song and he has been dying to send it. And I'd like the option to be able to send some of these National Final songs if I think that there's a chance that others might like them...after all, this contest is about introducing songs to people that they might not have heard that you think they might love. I can't explain myself any more fully than this, but please be aware that this was not just some off the cuff move. And the contest hasn't properly started yet, you can still change your entries, and there will always be people fighting over the same songs but this time it's Snalla Snalla instead of I Kissed A Girl. We can't always all have the songs that we want...I wanted Wind It but Kath got to it first!!! Not everyone will agree with every rule change, but it's not like this one is restricting songs from being sent, rather freeing up songs...songs that many people here have been dying to share with everyone but haven't had the chance to. Why should only a select few people be able to 'send what they like' :snif:

 

There are a number of other rules that I disagree with but haven't even suggested trying to change and wouldn't ask to be changed. I don't see any problem with sending the same act twice in succession, and I wouldn't have any problem with an artist top 3 in the previous contest being sent again to the following one. I think there are too many rules in this contest, and I know many of them were transferred from the National Song Contest (NSC) on the ESCToday forum, but I don't think that all of them are fantastically suited to BJSC, they just restrict people even further from sending the songs that they want to send, Addy and the Ciara/Justin song for example. Had Jonjo sent Self Inflicted the month after Mdice had won with I Kissed A Girl, I'm not certain that it would have done any better or worse, but again this is my opinion, not a rule change that I am going to suggest. Yes I suggested the National Final eligibility rule, but I didn't implement it and would hardly have been devestated if Trash had rejected it, it was just a suggestion.

This post is exactly where I'm coming from - while I support the rules on sending the same act twice in succession (although am a tad ambivalent on the top 3 one), I fail to see the massive problem with the NF rule - seeing as it was implemented over at the NSC where all of them are ESC obsessives and sending an NF song would be as cheap as you could get :lol:

This post is exactly where I'm coming from - while I support the rules on sending the same act twice in succession (although am a tad ambivalent on the top 3 one), I fail to see the massive problem with the NF rule - seeing as it was implemented over at the NSC where all of them are ESC obsessives and sending an NF song would be as cheap as you could get :lol:

 

oh really :o I didn't know they'd implemented it there! and like you say, there are obsessed with the thing!

I just see Eurovision rejects as worse than someone sending "Umbrella", even if there's a 90% chance I've never heard the song. (as it goes, I've heard Tone, Big Brovaz, Cyndi, Velvet Inc. and that thing Pavel is sending at least once before this contest.) I just strongly disagree with them being used here. Do a Eurovision Rejects Contest in the Eurovision forum instead?

 

As for your X Factor comment...I hear Trashlexis dies a little inside every time someone puts Leona Lewis on their reserve list.

Why exactly do you disagree with it so? :P It's all about finding out about new music is it not?...

 

And that's only because Leona is so hideously cheap anyway :lol: I wouldn't give a damn if someone sent Leon Jackson, Rachel Hylton, hell, even Shayne Ward wouldn't be that bad :P

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Bernie Ecclestone & Max Mosley (Formula 1 idiots Overlords)

 

"Seeing how the Buzzjack Song contest has taken a leaf out of F1 and changed the rules close to the eve of a new contest to the dismay of some of its members...... how about adopting our groundbreaking idiotic rule of the Champion being decided by the country that gets the most 12's (wins) irrespective of how many points they gain through the contest/Final."

 

:kink:

Don't see that one happening somehow :heehee:

OK Addy, just to emphasise, the rule about sending artists consecutively is a rule that will NEVER be changed. I would never want to get to that point where I was so drained creatively that I would have to resort to sending what I've literally just sent...

OK, another emphasis - we will NEVER allow Eurovision songs, unless we're doing a Eurovision spin-off. EVER. This just allows songs that you wouldn't have heard anyway - many of which, as it has been said, are big hits in their own countries despite not being selected for the ESC. I find it odd that, had Will You Remember Me Tomorrow? been considered for Eurovision selection but ultimately not gotten it, you would've all boycotted it! :lol: I find it nothing short of PURE HYPOCRISY that some people are boycotting songs on the ridiculous grounds that they were considered for entry for the ESC, but don't give a damn about cheap entries - if one is going to damage this contest more, it would be the latter (en masse) more than the former (en masse).

 

I wonder if some people who voted for Fix Me and Take My Body Close would boycott Deja Vu and The Queen :o it's not like these songs are wildly different...

oh really :o I didn't know they'd implemented it there! and like you say, there are obsessed with the thing!

Oh, no, I meant that the original NF rule had been implemented over at the NSC - I fail to see the problem with dismantling it here I meant :P