It's pathetic that shes getting jailed and then deported just for naming a teddy after some Sudanese fairy tale characater.

I'm not racist in any way against these people but im beyond appaled at whats gone on here. This is just yet another example of extremist Islam. I'm not insulting islam here, but why do people take it to such extremes? I'd be willing to argue this is as bad an extreme as terrorism. Religion starts wars, and it's people like this taking it out of proportion that causes all the problems in this world.

And as for a rape VICTIM being sentenced to 200 lashes? Well Saudi law is just ridiculous. Come on, women cant even drive. Best be careful what i say though, or i may be bought to court and sentenced to a good ol' lashing.

It's barbaric that people still use this punishment because they think Allah enjoys it.

It always amazes me why any westerner would even consider going to live and work in a country where sharia law is in force. All the money in the world wouldn't entice me to set foot in such a backward place. As far as I'm concerned if they want to be ruled by crackpots who think it's still the year 1230 then let them get on with it.

 

I'm fast losing patience. And I'm fast losing patience with apologists for Islamic Fundamentalism/Wahhabism. All this touchy feely 'we must try to understand them'. Bollocks. They are barbaric. Pure and simple. There is no moral equivalence here.

 

As for Sudan- Maybe instead of sending aid to the inhabitants of Darfur we should start arming them. Now that would really p*** off the nutters in Khartoum. -_-

All this touchy feely 'we must try to understand them'. Bollocks. They are barbaric. Pure and simple. There is no moral equivalence here.

 

Couldn't agree more.

Im not racist in anyway either, BUT the religions down over in the east are beyond pathetic. No offence to their religion, but there religious views and beliefs are by far the most far-fetched of all religions, yet it manages to controll the people, the law/government (?Do they have a government) and the way the country works.

 

Isn't there anything OUR government could do? :unsure:

What to Sudan? :unsure:

What to Sudan? :unsure:

No, to get the woman out of jail?

Doubt it.

 

I doubt the mad mullahs much care what David Milliband has to say on the matter. :rolleyes:

 

 

We could of course-

 

- Suspend all UK aid payments to Sudan (£100 million earmarked for next year apparently)

- Chuck out the Sudanese ambassador and all his lackeys

- Deport all Sudanese nationals from the UK

- Order all UK citizens out of Sudan

 

Can't honestly see any of the above happening though. Can you? -_-

 

 

Can someone explain this to me. I don't get it. How come naming a teddy Muhammed is inciting racial hatred?

 

Surely prosecuting someone for calling something Muhammed is more racially abusive?

At the risk of starting a riot of my own ......

 

This teacher went to teach in this country, surely she did some research into the laws and religion.

Whether we agree with them or not is irrelevent.

I have a relatively limited knowledge of Islam but I know that drawing or depicting Allah is forbidden, as is using inanimate objects to represent Allah or the prophets

 

In our opinions the punishment may be extreme, and whilst I am sure she didn't expect such extreme reactions, she must have known naming an inanimate object thus would cause offence.

Edited November 29, 200717 yr by ICR

And that's why I'd never set foot there. Because I'd never cow-tow to such ridiculous beliefs. Mohammed must be an awfully fragile prophet if he's put at risk by a teddy bear. :mellow:

 

And that's why I'd never set foot there. Because I'd never cow-tow to such ridiculous beliefs. Mohammed must be an awfully fragile prophet if he's put at risk by a teddy bear. :mellow:

 

 

I agree ...... but if you CHOSE to enter those countries and CHOSE to work there then you have to accept the laws etc of that country.

That's what I'm saying. Why the feck was she there in the first place? A lone female in a country with sharia law where there's an ongoing civil war? Silly sod in my opinion.

 

That still doesn't make what the Sudanese Govt are doing ok though. They are still a load of crackpots. :wacko:

I have a relatively limited knowledge of Islam but I know that drawing or depicting Allah is forbidden, as is using inanimate objects to represent Allah or the prophets

 

This is true. The idea is that no picture or object could ever possibly represent that vast beauty and presence of Allah and Muhammad. The Qur'an doesn't forbid it but just sort of discourages it.

 

Chapter 42, verse 11 of the Koran does say: "[Allah is] the originator of the heavens and the earth... [there is] nothing like a likeness of Him." (from http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4674864.stm)

 

Innocent enough... but after centuries it has turned into a strict prohibition and, well, mass protests setting fire to a Danish embassy... or imprisoning teachers with only the best intentions...

 

::sigh:: It's all so reminiscent of Christianity about 800 years ago...

Also, I've never understood why the rule doesn't apply to naming PEOPLE. Isn't it a bit more offensive to name someone Muhammad, as if he represents the Prophet? But that isn't the case, of course.

Edited November 30, 200717 yr by Consie

It always amazes me why any westerner would even consider going to live and work in a country where sharia law is in force. All the money in the world wouldn't entice me to set foot in such a backward place. As far as I'm concerned if they want to be ruled by crackpots who think it's still the year 1230 then let them get on with it.

 

I'm fast losing patience. And I'm fast losing patience with apologists for Islamic Fundamentalism/Wahhabism. All this touchy feely 'we must try to understand them'. Bollocks. They are barbaric. Pure and simple. There is no moral equivalence here.

 

post of the week.

 

And as for the 'prophet' being insulted that a teddybear has been named after him... err... I'd imagine he'd rather appreciate it - especially as his sexual preferences were girls under 9 years old. Ahem.

Edited November 30, 200717 yr by russt68

The teacher didnt even name the bear, it was a bloody child that named it!

And as for accepting islam law, htis school is 75% NON muslim!

 

And as for your comment russt, it's totally true. The Qu'uran (hope i spelt that right :unsure:), actually says it is ok for:

 

- Muslims to have sex with pre-pubescent children

- Muslims to have sex with animals as long as they kill it afterwards.

Why? Because Muhammed did.

 

- Muslims to have sex with pre-pubescent children

.

 

Not strictly true, and you're talking about events that took place over 1000 years ago, so... Girls tended to mature a lot faster in that region (9/10 years old) so to say they were "prepubescent" is simple untrue... In the Jewish faith, a boy reaches "manhood" at 13, so I guess you're gonna call the Jewish faith paedophilic as well then.... -_- There was simply no concept of Paedophilia 1000 years ago, the average age to which a person lived back then was something like mid-thirties, if that as well as the fact that the infant mortality rate was incredibly high as well, so in order for the human race to propogate it would kinda be a necessity for people to be breeding at a young age, an unpleasant thought, but unfortunately that's just how things were... No, I dont really think it's fair to judge a whole people on events which may or may not have even happened over a thousand years ago... And besides, you'll find similar passages in the Bible that appear to condone infanticide, child molestation, child prostitution and other incredibly nasty (by modern standards) things, and yet do we judge Christians by that...?

 

You see, this is exaclty what my objections are to people talking bollocks about muslims, the implication that somehow the vast majority of muslims actually condone child abuse.... Clearly people who try to put this implication across have clearly never even talked to a Muslim in their lives, I am concerned because this is how ignorance and fear spreads.... Well, I have, I have a fair few muslim friends, and their opinions of child molestors are basically unrepeatable in a family forum like this.... :lol:

- Deport all Sudanese nationals from the UK

 

What, even the ones fleeing Govt persecution???? You really thought that one out didn't you mate....? :lol: :lol:

 

Last Updated: Friday, 30 November 2007, 14:23 GMT

Shoot UK teacher, say protesters

BBC News

Protests took place in Khartoum following Friday prayers

 

Thousands of people have marched in the Sudanese capital Khartoum to call for UK teacher Gillian Gibbons to be shot.

Mrs Gibbons, 54, from Liverpool, was jailed by a court on Thursday after allowing children in her class to name a teddy bear Muhammad.

 

She was sentenced to 15 days for insulting religion, and she will then be deported.

 

The Foreign Office was in contact with Sudan's government overnight and is due to repeat demands for her release.

 

'Kill her'

 

The marchers took to the streets after Friday prayers to denounce the sentence as too lenient.

 

The protesters gathered in Martyrs Square, outside the presidential palace in the capital, many of them carrying knives and sticks.

 

Marchers chanted "Shame, shame on the UK", "No tolerance - execution" and "Kill her, kill her by firing squad".

 

Hundreds of riot police were deployed but they did not break up the demonstration.

 

The Foreign Office said it was seeking more details about the protest.

 

Prime Minister Gordon Brown has been in touch with Mrs Gibbons' family for a second time, speaking to a close relative of the teacher.

 

Foreign Secretary David Miliband has expressed "in the strongest terms" the UK's concern at her detention.

 

The Sudanese ambassador, Omer Siddig, was called back to the Foreign Office to explain the decision.

 

The Archbishop of Canterbury Rowan Williams said he could not "see any justification" for the sentence, calling it an "absurdly disproportionate response" to a "minor cultural faux pas".

 

The Federation of Student Islamic Societies (Fosis), which represents more than 90,000 Muslim students in the UK and Ireland, said it was "deeply concerned" at what was a "gravely disproportionate" verdict.

 

The federation's president, Ali Alhadithi, said: "What we have here is a case of cultural misunderstandings, and the delicacies of the matter demonstrate that it was not the intention of Gillian Gibbons to imply any offence against Islam or Muslims.

 

"We hope that the Sudanese authorities will take immediate action to secure a safe release for Gillian Gibbons."

 

In September, Mrs Gibbons allowed her class of primary school pupils to name the teddy bear Muhammad as part of a study of animals and their habitats.

 

The court heard that she was arrested on Sunday after another member of staff at Unity High School complained to the Ministry of Education.