McCain's actually quite a liberal Republican. Not one of the scary Evangelical preacher ones.

 

A Republican is still a Republican at the end of the day, the past 8 years of neo-con Republican misrule has been disastrous for America, disastrous for the world in general.... AND BUSH DIDN'T EVEN WIN THE SODDING 2000 ELECTION ANYWAY.....

 

I fully back Obama, he is young, he is radical, he is intelligent and articulate, he is exactly what America needs after eight years of re****-boy Dubya and his daddy's fascist mates..... <_<

 

There's something about Hillary Clinton I just dont trust tbh, too establishment, too much of a career politician to really make the radical changes that the US really needs after eight years of 'Satan'...

 

Who would I ideally have liked to have seen running for Democratic nomination though....? Al Gore... The man who should have been President these past eight disastrous years....

I'd argue that McCain most definitely DOES need Huckabee. There's a lot of unrest in the Republican Party; McCain is simply viewed as TOO liberal by many within the party (though of course in any sense of reality that is one thing he isn't). In-fighting in the Republican Party is just what isn't needed now and furthermore McCain needs to capture the Bible Belt which he's alienated with his natural political form.

 

I don't really think being 'black' or a 'woman' is enough to win this election in all honesty. American's aren't THAT simplistic in their political leanings and in such a conservative society is much of middle America truly going to care for a woman/black candidate being in the running?

 

But its the same with Tory party members and David Cameron

 

I don't like Cameron he is too far to the left/centre of the party for me whereas my views are much more in line with Thatcher/Tebbit/David Davis/Liam Fox but much as I have misgivings about Cameron I would still vote for him at the next election because I could not bring myself to vote for another party so the Huckabee fans what choice do they have in reality other than to vote McCain ? the only alternative would be to vote democrat and I really see nothing in the democrat manifesto that would attract a protest vote of a Huckabee supporter

 

A Republican is still a Republican at the end of the day, the past 8 years of neo-con Republican misrule has been disastrous for America, disastrous for the world in general.... AND BUSH DIDN'T EVEN WIN THE SODDING 2000 ELECTION ANYWAY.....

 

I fully back Obama, he is young, he is radical, he is intelligent and articulate, he is exactly what America needs after eight years of re****-boy Dubya and his daddy's fascist mates..... <_<

 

There's something about Hillary Clinton I just dont trust tbh, too establishment, too much of a career politician to really make the radical changes that the US really needs after eight years of 'Satan'...

 

Who would I ideally have liked to have seen running for Democratic nomination though....? Al Gore... The man who should have been President these past eight disastrous years....

 

Obama is a kid in political terms though, while he might be a great orator he does not have the experience and the know how of the workings of capitol hill, he would be very much a puppet himself with his lack of experience, he talks about "change" all the time but has he got the political clout, experience and sharpness to actually bring about this change and get it through the houses or is he just going to be out of his depth politically and be a puppet for special interest groups and so on ? I think the latter

 

He is better off cutting his teeth for 4 years as a VP and standing for president in 2012

Because being a Conservative in UK terms I have a natural allegiance towards the GOP in America although I despise Bush

 

Only a fool would support a Republican, let's be honest here - and, as you seem so scarily right-wing (and even more scarily proud of it - I sense it's simply to appear 'controversial') - can I ask your opinion on McCain's planned right-hand man, good ole Huckabee, and his wish to send anyone with HIV to a secluded island?

 

I quote:

"I feel homosexuality is an aberrant, unnatural, and sinful lifestyle, and we now know it can pose a dangerous public health risk," (1997)

 

"If the federal government is truly serious about doing something with the AIDS virus, we need to take steps that would isolate the carriers of this plague.... It is difficult to understand the public policy towards AIDS. It is the first time in the history of civilization in which the carriers of a genuine plague have not been isolated from the general population, and in which this deadly disease for which there is no cure is being treated as a civil rights issue instead of the true health crisis it represents."

 

McCain himself has repeatedly supported anti-gay legislation. He voted against gay marriage. He voted against gays in the military. He opposed outlawing anti-gay job discrimination in 1996. In the same year he supported denying spousal benefits to married gay couples.

 

And you fully support someone so utterly backward and bigoted? And his henchmen? Shame on you.

Only a fool would support a Republican, let's be honest here - and, as you seem so scarily right-wing (and even more scarily proud of it - I sense it's simply to appear 'controversial') - can I ask your opinion on McCain's planned right-hand man, good ole Huckabee, and his wish to send anyone with HIV to a secluded island?

 

I quote:

"I feel homosexuality is an aberrant, unnatural, and sinful lifestyle, and we now know it can pose a dangerous public health risk," (1997)

 

"If the federal government is truly serious about doing something with the AIDS virus, we need to take steps that would isolate the carriers of this plague.... It is difficult to understand the public policy towards AIDS. It is the first time in the history of civilization in which the carriers of a genuine plague have not been isolated from the general population, and in which this deadly disease for which there is no cure is being treated as a civil rights issue instead of the true health crisis it represents."

 

McCain himself has repeatedly supported anti-gay legislation. He voted against gay marriage. He voted against gays in the military. He opposed outlawing anti-gay job discrimination in 1996. In the same year he supported denying spousal benefits to married gay couples.

 

And you fully support someone so utterly backward and bigoted? And his henchmen? Shame on you.

 

Huckabee is not a true Republican, he is a religious fruitcake that uses the Republican party to vent his bigotry, he is no more a true Republican than Ian Paisley is a true Tory (the Ulster Unionists are affiiated to the Conservative Party)

 

I believe in the Republican (and Tory) principles of low tax, free market enterprise, capitalism, deregulation, self sufficiency without reliance on welfare, strong police force and so on

But you've not answered the question - both McCain and Huckabee are bigots - do you support bigotry? Or, if it suits your pocket, is a little bit of good old bigotry ok in your book, Craig? Like it appeared to be in your staunch support of Adolf Thatcher in the 80s? "Ah well, she suits my income - bugger her views on everthing else"?

 

And I think you'll find the majority of the Republican party are far-right religious 'fruitcakes'.

While I am in favour of gay rights and gay marriages and so on I would be prepared to accept a government that is less tolerant on those issues if it means a strong economy, free trade, enterprise and low taxes, they benefit 100% of the nation whereas gay rights affect 10% of the nation at the very most so if it means a strong powerful economy and limited gay rights even though I am pro gay rights I would rather have that than a weak economy with high taxes and strong gay rights, if that makes me a fascist then so be it

 

And there is no chance of Huckabee being McCain's running mate, it simply won't happen, Huckabee is popular with inbred gun toting rednecks in the deep south but that is as far as his support goes virtually and tbh there is as much chance of McCain choosing Huckabee as his VP as there is Osama Bin Laden becoming Chief Rabbi, Huckabee only gets a mention at all because he has not pulled out of the race, he barely has more delegates than Mitt Romney who pulled out of the race weeks ago, Romney won states that are much more crucial to McCain so if anyone who stood for GOP nomination was to get VP it would be Romney

 

McCain has a lot of views that make a lot of sense particularly introducing gun control laws banning people with a criminal record from buying guns, the banning of torture of suspects, the closure of the vile Guantanamo Bay camp, allowing stem cell research, committing America to global warming protocols and much more

Edited February 27, 200817 yr by Vic Vega

I'd argue that McCain most definitely DOES need Huckabee. There's a lot of unrest in the Republican Party; McCain is simply viewed as TOO liberal by many within the party (though of course in any sense of reality that is one thing he isn't). In-fighting in the Republican Party is just what isn't needed now and furthermore McCain needs to capture the Bible Belt which he's alienated with his natural political form.

 

I don't really think being 'black' or a 'woman' is enough to win this election in all honesty. American's aren't THAT simplistic in their political leanings and in such a conservative society is much of middle America truly going to care for a woman/black candidate being in the running?

 

I completely agree... without Huckabee the Bible Belt is lost.

 

All this nonsense about McCain being a liberal. On the Conservative scale or whatever (don't know the offical name)... 0% being completely liberal and 100% being completely conservative he was like 86%. Sure that isn't as much as any of the other Republican canidates, but it still is pretty high.

I completely agree... without Huckabee the Bible Belt is lost.

 

All this nonsense about McCain being a liberal. On the Conservative scale or whatever (don't know the offical name)... 0% being completely liberal and 100% being completely conservative he was like 86%. Sure that isn't as much as any of the other Republican canidates, but it still is pretty high.

 

The bible belt are the most extreme of the conservatives do you really in your wildest dreams see them voting Democrat because McCain is too liberal for them ? anyone who thinks that is totally out of touch with reality, the bible belt would rather eat their own excrement than vote for a democrat so Mc Cain is assured 100% of the bible belt vote albeit in some cases through gritted teeth

Obama all the way!! It's time for a CHANGE!

 

As long as it's a democrat then I'm good. I'm sorry to say, but if the US elects another Republican good luck to them.

 

Some of my American friends were saying that this presidential race has definately interested a lot more younger people, and that's a good thing. But it's also turned into 'Is she gonna be the first woman president' or 'Is he gonna be the first black president?' It's funny becuase people seem to forget that Obama is actually mixed race, but hey let people carry on... ^_^

Edited February 27, 200817 yr by AnastaciaInspirated

Hillary for me.

Obama is a kid in political terms though, while he might be a great orator he does not have the experience and the know how of the workings of capitol hill, he would be very much a puppet himself with his lack of experience, he talks about "change" all the time but has he got the political clout, experience and sharpness to actually bring about this change and get it through the houses or is he just going to be out of his depth politically and be a puppet for special interest groups and so on ? I think the latter

 

Well, that's pretty much what they said about Kennedy though innit...? "He's young, he's inexperienced..." blah, blah... The facts are, Obama does want things to change in his country, which is more than can be said for the Republicans.... If you support them, then you just support a continuation of everything that has been wrong with America for the past eight years...

 

Obama doesn't strike me as the sort of guy who would allow anyone to manipulate him... If he gets someone like Edwards or Dean as his running mate, then I reckon things really will happen for the better....

While I am in favour of gay rights and gay marriages and so on I would be prepared to accept a government that is less tolerant on those issues if it means a strong economy, free trade, enterprise and low taxes, they benefit 100% of the nation whereas gay rights affect 10% of the nation at the very most so if it means a strong powerful economy and limited gay rights even though I am pro gay rights I would rather have that than a weak economy with high taxes and strong gay rights, if that makes me a fascist then so be it

 

That's really a pretty lame justification and one totally from the Scientific Management school of economics.... So, it would be okay for you for some right-wing nutjob to round up every single Jew, Muslim, gay or black person and stick them in an internment camp or summat, "so long as the economy was alright"....? Bollocks... Just bear in mind mate, all those unpleasant regimes in the middle east you object strongly to on their human rights records also have strong economies and little, if any, taxation.. China has a strong economy as well, the fastest growing economy on earth... But just look at what (and also who..) they've sacrificed in order to create that... Sacrificing people's rights in the pursuit of wealth is amoral and totally wicked, end of story.... Look at what Hitler did to the Jews, he "appropriated" much of their assets for the "good" of the Nazi State.... I guess it helped Germany's economy a fair bit, but at what cost to people...?

 

Not only that, but has 8 years of Bush bigotry actually helped the American economy anyway???? Has it fukk.... The legacy of Bush is one of a huge deficit....

 

People benefit a lot more from strong, well resourced PUBLIC SERVICES (NHS, schools, universities, transport, water, utilities, etc..) than from income tax cuts... Tax breaks benefit only the top 1 or 2%, the rest of us have to pay for it through increased "stealth taxes" such as VAT..... <_<

Well, that's pretty much what they said about Kennedy though innit...? "He's young, he's inexperienced..." blah, blah... The facts are, Obama does want things to change in his country, which is more than can be said for the Republicans.... If you support them, then you just support a continuation of everything that has been wrong with America for the past eight years...

 

Obama doesn't strike me as the sort of guy who would allow anyone to manipulate him... If he gets someone like Edwards or Dean as his running mate, then I reckon things really will happen for the better....

 

Pretty much every financial forecaster agrees that a global recession is on the way during the course of the next presidency and that kind of thing needs a safe pair of hands, McCain might not be perfect but he has the experience and has the know how to guide the country through the 4 turbulent economic years that are ahead

 

Obama seems a decent guy but with the recession coming whoever takes the presidency is not only going to guide America but is going to guide the whole world economically and there is not time in those circumstances for someone to have a learning curve like Obama

That's really a pretty lame justification and one totally from the Scientific Management school of economics.... So, it would be okay for you for some right-wing nutjob to round up every single Jew, Muslim, gay or black person and stick them in an internment camp or summat, "so long as the economy was alright"....? Bollocks... Just bear in mind mate, all those unpleasant regimes in the middle east you object strongly to on their human rights records also have strong economies and little, if any, taxation.. China has a strong economy as well, the fastest growing economy on earth... But just look at what (and also who..) they've sacrificed in order to create that... Sacrificing people's rights in the pursuit of wealth is amoral and totally wicked, end of story.... Look at what Hitler did to the Jews, he "appropriated" much of their assets for the "good" of the Nazi State.... I guess it helped Germany's economy a fair bit, but at what cost to people...?

 

Not only that, but has 8 years of Bush bigotry actually helped the American economy anyway???? Has it fukk.... The legacy of Bush is one of a huge deficit....

 

People benefit a lot more from strong, well resourced PUBLIC SERVICES (NHS, schools, universities, transport, water, utilities, etc..) than from income tax cuts... Tax breaks benefit only the top 1 or 2%, the rest of us have to pay for it through increased "stealth taxes" such as VAT..... <_<

 

That is an extreme example though, McCain does not think that way infact he is utterly opposed to stuff like Guantanamo Bay and has been the prime advocate of the ending of torture for terror suspects, human rights will be strong under McCain, while stuff like banning gay marriages would cause some inconvenience to gays it is different from internment and that kind of thing, McCain isn't into that stuff and I am so confident that Huckabee will not be his VP that I will never make another post on BJ if he is chosen, I am that certain he won't be, Huckabee has 0 political influence and is just sticking in the race for self promotion and massaging his ego, come Texas and the other poll in a few days McCain will win the nomination outright anyways.

 

The regimes in the East are based on religion where religion is used as a tool to keep the people in check and used against the people as a means to violate human rights, McCain does not hold much importance to religion so again its an extreme example

 

 

McCain does not hold much importance to religion

 

Well, I'm not convinced by that one either tbh mate... That Pentechostal lot have got the ears of the Republican party as a whole, so I dunno man....

 

I can't choose between Obama and Clinton...I'm leaning torwards Obama though.

Do you feel it's a choice between two good candidates or two poor candidates of which you are trying to select the less evil?

Do you feel it's a choice between two good candidates or two poor candidates of which you are trying to select the less evil?

 

If I was American and Al Gore stood for the presidency as Democrat candidate I would give very serious consideration for voting for him even though I lean towards the GOP

 

Gore would be better than Obama and Hillary put together

If I was American and Al Gore stood for the presidency as Democrat candidate I would give very serious consideration for voting for him even though I lean towards the GOP

 

Gore would be better than Obama and Hillary put together

So for you what is the difference between Al Gore and them? Is it personality or is there some difference in issue, and if it's issues what issues do you agree with Gore on that you don't with others?

McCain does not hold much importance to religion

What other justification is there for banning same sex marriage besides religion? And not being able to marry the person I love nor able to obtain the rights assosciated with being married is a bit more than an inconvenience for me. =/