Posted March 9, 200817 yr Millions of British airline passengers will face compulsory fingerprinting before being allowed to board domestic flights when Heathrow’s Terminal 5 opens later this month. Passengers will be required to have four fingerprints taken as well as be photographed when they check in and the biometric checks will then be repeated before boarding. BAA, the company which owns Heathrow, insists that the biometric information will be destroyed after 24 hours and will not be passed to the police. Would compulsory fingerprinting put you off flying? Do you trust BAA to destroy the information within 24 hours? Do you simply worry that additional security measures will increase the hassle of flying? Or do you think that tighter security is needed to protect passengers from the threat of terrorism? Source: Sunday Telegraph
March 9, 200817 yr Completely over the top :manson: I used Terminal 3 recently and the security was more than sufficient, metal detectors, shoe scanners and so on without the need for all this nonsense
March 9, 200817 yr Anyone entering the United States, not only has to have their fingerprints taken, but also have to have their photograph taken. This happened to me last year and in 2005 and, to be honest, I had no problem with it at all. Not so sure about introducing it for domestic flights, but I certainly think it would be a good idea to introduce it for people entering the UK. Sorry, but I believe that if you have nothing to hide, you would have no reason to fear these measures. In this current climate of terrorism, anything that helps us to keep a check on those entering the UK can surely only be for the good of the rest of us.
March 10, 200817 yr it wouldnt stop me flying.... but it would be just another inconveiniance A potentially life saving inconvenience though, no?
March 10, 200817 yr If it ain't broke don't fix it How many planes out of millions that have left Heathrow since the airport opened have been hijacked, suicide bombed and so on ? NONE I don't see the point in massively invading peoples privacy for a virtually non existent problem when there is already massive security at the airport already Travel is meant to be a pleasure but if you are a suspected suicide bomber until you prove you are not then it becomes a chore
March 10, 200817 yr how would a fingerprint really stop a terrorist, I mean come on :lol: "not passed to police" hmm yeah whatever
March 10, 200817 yr This is just a Labour attempt to introduce compulsary fingerprinting for all through the back door, of course the fingerprints will be entered into databases, of course they will be shared with the police and other intelligence agencies, it is a gross invasion of privacy
March 10, 200817 yr would it really be a surprise if they started wanting DNA samples at airports, seeming the national database is getting big opposition. Of course there would be absolutely no requirement or any benefit of having one taken, and it would stealthily be added to the database that exists for anyone who's been arrested :rolleyes: Meh! just as well I have a fear of flying :magic:
March 10, 200817 yr would it really be a surprise if they started wanting DNA samples at airports, seeming the national database is getting big opposition. Of course there would be absolutely no requirement or any benefit of having one taken, and it would stealthily be added to the database that exists for anyone who's been arrested :rolleyes: Meh! just as well I have a fear of flying :magic: And I thought I was the biggest conspiracy theorist out there :lol: Sadly you are right tbh Matt I really think you have hit the nail on the head with this one If as they say we have nothing to hide by having our fingerprints taken before getting on a plane how is this going to stop someone with no criminal record from blowing up a plane ? fingerprints would have to be cross referenced against a police database to see if anyone is a potential bomber but if they have no criminal record they are not going to be on the police database so are free to blow up a 747 :manson: So all these fingerprints that are taken will be added to the police database If this is ever introduced I will simply stop flying, I have nothing to hide but my fingerprints are not on a police database and the reason being I have no criminal record so it is an invasion of my privacy that I am not willing to accept Edited March 10, 200817 yr by Vic Vega
March 11, 200817 yr And I thought I was the biggest conspiracy theorist out there :lol: Sadly you are right tbh Matt I really think you have hit the nail on the head with this one If as they say we have nothing to hide by having our fingerprints taken before getting on a plane how is this going to stop someone with no criminal record from blowing up a plane ? fingerprints would have to be cross referenced against a police database to see if anyone is a potential bomber but if they have no criminal record they are not going to be on the police database so are free to blow up a 747 :manson: So all these fingerprints that are taken will be added to the police database If this is ever introduced I will simply stop flying, I have nothing to hide but my fingerprints are not on a police database and the reason being I have no criminal record so it is an invasion of my privacy that I am not willing to accept Spot on Craig.. Yet another example of the 'Surveillance Society'.. Are any of our EU partners introducing anything like this...? Uhhh, none that I can see.... Yet again, we're just doing what America does.. Well, I wouldn't want to visit America, but I certainly would want to go see my family in Amsterdam and my friends who are dotted around other countries in Europe, so just why the fukk should I tolerate this totally unnecessary bullsh!t....? <_< <_< How the hell would a fingerprint stop a suicide bomber with NO CRIMINAL RECORD.....? And, frankly, no, I dont trust the state to destroy these things 24 hours later.. This is pure "mission creep", simple as...
March 12, 200817 yr I've got nothing to hide, so these biometric checks don't bother me. That's besides the point mate.. You willingly give up this information, you simply have no idea who's gonna be able to access it... It's certainly far from only being the Police, there's something like a potential of 300,000 various people in various Govt depts and Quangos (including the DVLA who rather 'nicely' go around selling car registration info... <_< ) that will have access to your private information; we've all seen the disaster of the HMRC "missing disks", a mistake involving this sort of information (and, god forbid we ever have a bloody DNA database) will be potentially far more catastrophic a security breach... Put simply - You cannot trust the Govt, ANY Govt with this information... Just because you've "nothing to hide" doesn't mean you necessarily want any bloody Tom, Dick and Harry knowing all about you....
March 12, 200817 yr That's besides the point mate.. You willingly give up this information, you simply have no idea who's gonna be able to access it... It's certainly far from only being the Police, there's something like a potential of 300,000 various people in various Govt depts and Quangos (including the DVLA who rather 'nicely' go around selling car registration info... <_< ) that will have access to your private information; we've all seen the disaster of the HMRC "missing disks", a mistake involving this sort of information (and, god forbid we ever have a bloody DNA database) will be potentially far more catastrophic a security breach... Put simply - You cannot trust the Govt, ANY Govt with this information... Just because you've "nothing to hide" doesn't mean you necessarily want any bloody Tom, Dick and Harry knowing all about you.... 'knowing all about you'?... you mean a correct identity?...:lol: i see that the parents of another murdered child are fully supporting the national dna database...:P
March 12, 200817 yr While individual tragic instances are bound to occur like this murdered childs parents and I fully understand why they would want such a database the most important thing in society is freedom and civil liberties it is important to have civil liberties, freedoms and privacy so curbing the civil liberties and privacy of everyone is a very heavy price to pay for a small number of tragic cases like this one
March 12, 200817 yr edit: In your previous post, only a minute ago you said 'I believe in the principles of ... lack of state interference in our lives' :teresa: Edited March 12, 200817 yr by é-motion
March 13, 200817 yr i see that the parents of another murdered child are fully supporting the national dna database...:P Sorry to sound harsh, but so what? I am NOT going to give up my freedoms and my liberties as a law-abiding, tax-paying citizen of this country to further the incredibly nebulous agenda of this govt... You talk as if these sorts of crimes dont get solved, they do... They caught the likes of Ian Brady/Myra Hindley, Ian Huntley, Robert Black, etc without the "necessity" of putting every single man, woman and child in this fukkin' country on a bloody database.... It only takes good, common-sense coppering and good investigation to catch a killer.... You want to use DNA evidence? Fair enough, find an actual suspect whom there is good reason to suspect, and do the test on them, dont just blithely assume that every single person in the country is a fukkin' potential p**** or rapist, which is exactly what this measure does.... <_< A National DNA database WILL go wrong and it WILL lead to completely innocent people being arrested, I have absolutely no doubts about it, the Govt cant get a sodding national NHS IT system up and running (cost = £40 billion quid and still counting...), they cant look after people's personal banking details, they cant even keep track of a few thousand ex-con illegal immigrants, so what bloody chance is there that they'll manage to run a system like an ID card or DNA database which will affect TENS OF MILLIONS OF PEOPLE correctly..? Answer - NO CHANCE....
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