May 28, 200619 yr oh its a little known research group, whos aim is to explore the human possibilities. the meaning of life type stuff, its very educational actually. i was in it for 2 years in the mid 90's and it taught me alot about the possibilities that we have, and how to try to understand whats going on in the universe... they use nature/natural law as their 'bible' or tool kit... some of the terms you use are akin to what they say.. Okay, thanks. My use of the same terms comes from researching those subjects I suspect. I also was very chatty to a certain Lady friend that was studying Psychology and perhaps my grasp and use of certain terms come from relationship.
May 28, 200619 yr you doubt you can love, you can feel, you can smile you can cry? Even my dog smiles, I don´t think this proves I have a soul... It´s just my body and my brain.
May 28, 200619 yr You didn't read the previous post Often reported cases include identification of objects, locked away, impossible for patients to see, items on the roof, only available to see by the roof maintence man or a passing helicopter. Quite true, there have been a few document cases of that also ;) I´m sorry. I don´t believe. It´s not serious science, it´s just people trying to revest religion with pseudo-scientific arguments. That´s even worse then dogmatic religion.
May 28, 200619 yr It's not. There is something, this world is unfair. It could be more fair if we did our part.
May 28, 200619 yr I´m sorry. I don´t believe. It´s not serious science, it´s just people trying to revest religion with pseudo-scientific arguments. That´s even worse then dogmatic religion. Very often the patients that report these things are athiests. Who exactly is being dogmatic?
May 28, 200619 yr Very often the patients that report these things are athiests. Who exactly is being dogmatic? 'Dogmatic' is when a statement or opinion is forcibly asserted as if authoritative and unchallengable. Stubborn opinion basically. ;)
May 29, 200619 yr Very often the patients that report these things are athiests. Who exactly is being dogmatic? Atheists can have allucinations and visions too.
May 29, 200619 yr 'Dogmatic' is when a statement or opinion is forcibly asserted as if authoritative and unchallengable. Stubborn opinion basically. ;) Dogmatic is when a statement or opinion cannot be put into the test of science or reason. OOBE have never been proved by science, and has not even been a very small evidence of it.
May 29, 200619 yr An experiment for anyone really interested to see if consciousness can affect the outside world. Take a 6 sided dice,a dice pot with a few sheets of A4(or writting pad) and a pencil. Select a number between 1 to 6. Roll the dice and desire to get your seledcted number, keep a tally of the results. Do this for hours, maybe not all in one go, but thousanads of rolls. Only roll the dice when you content and you feel you desire the outcome. Keep going until you fill at least two sheets of A4 with your tally's like IIII IIII IIII IIII IIII IIII IIII IIII IIII The following day or days choose another number and repeat the process. I think you'll be surprised at the results. Have fun.
May 29, 200619 yr OK, here is a true story. It freaked me out. And anyone who knows me will tell you I'm the most rational, scientific, cynical person they know. My aunt died about 3 weeks ago. She had been in hospital for a couple of weeks, deteriorating rapidly. All our family knew it was only a matter of time. Different family members were keeping a 24 hour bedside vigil. The night before she died my 2 cousins were with her. The hospital room had been very hot but suddenly my cousins said it got very very cold. So cold they had to put their jackets on. Just then my aunt turned to the opposite corner of the room and started having a conversation. My cousins saw an empty room and asked her who she was talking to. She told them there were 5 people in the room, standing at the foot of her bed. She knew 4 of them. Her mother, father, her 2 brothers (all dead years ago). She told my cousins there was a young boy with one of her brothers but she didn't know who this was. These 'people' kept appearing and disappearing over the next day and night. My aunt would hold a conversation with them and told her family they were waiting for her but it wasn't time yet. She died in her sleep the following night. Only later did my mum discover that my late uncle's young grandson (who had been killed in a tragic accident some years earlier) had actually been buried alongside said uncle. He was 8 when he died. My late aunt didn't know this fact either. :o Anyway, is this gobbledegook? When you are near death does your mind start playing tricks on you? But what about the temperature drop in the room? What about the young boy nobody knew about? The rational side of me says that when you die you die. There is nothing there. It's like it was before you were born. Nothing. But then isn't one of the laws of physics that energy can never be destroyed? It can only be converted into another source of energy? Our brain (or mind or 'soul') emits energy doesn't it? Who knows. And at the end of the day nobody has ever came back from the dead to tell us what is or isn't there. <_<
May 30, 200619 yr OK, here is a true story. It freaked me out. And anyone who knows me will tell you I'm the most rational, scientific, cynical person they know. My aunt died about 3 weeks ago. She had been in hospital for a couple of weeks, deteriorating rapidly. All our family knew it was only a matter of time. Different family members were keeping a 24 hour bedside vigil. The night before she died my 2 cousins were with her. The hospital room had been very hot but suddenly my cousins said it got very very cold. So cold they had to put their jackets on. Just then my aunt turned to the opposite corner of the room and started having a conversation. My cousins saw an empty room and asked her who she was talking to. She told them there were 5 people in the room, standing at the foot of her bed. She knew 4 of them. Her mother, father, her 2 brothers (all dead years ago). She told my cousins there was a young boy with one of her brothers but she didn't know who this was. These 'people' kept appearing and disappearing over the next day and night. My aunt would hold a conversation with them and told her family they were waiting for her but it wasn't time yet. She died in her sleep the following night. Only later did my mum discover that my late uncle's young grandson (who had been killed in a tragic accident some years earlier) had actually been buried alongside said uncle. He was 8 when he died. My late aunt didn't know this fact either. :o Anyway, is this gobbledegook? When you are near death does your mind start playing tricks on you? But what about the temperature drop in the room? What about the young boy nobody knew about? The rational side of me says that when you die you die. There is nothing there. It's like it was before you were born. Nothing. But then isn't one of the laws of physics that energy can never be destroyed? It can only be converted into another source of energy? Our brain (or mind or 'soul') emits energy doesn't it? Who knows. And at the end of the day nobody has ever came back from the dead to tell us what is or isn't there. <_< very interesting, but did the room just feel cold or was it actually cold? as in a measured temperature reading taken? ive heard similar stories before, but i dont get why these 'people' are dressed! (the same as ghosts, i cannot understand why a ghosts clothes should also exist in a spirit world, clothes have no spirit, humans do) .. and dont spirits age? are all these 'people' old? this kinda links in to my 'part 2' thread... so many questions to ask about the consequences of life after death..
May 30, 200619 yr ive heard similar stories before, but i dont get why these 'people' are dressed! (the same as ghosts, i cannot understand why a ghosts clothes should also exist in a spirit world, clothes have no spirit, humans do) .. and dont spirits age? are all these 'people' old? Exactly. If the spirit is separated from the body, then why would people appear on this visions in a human body, rather then being just a sensation or an abstract being? Did their clothes had soul too? To me that´s just dreams and fantasy... If that was true it would be really bad... If there is life after death, I expected we would be somewhere in eternity meeting God, not just as invisible human beings in this same damn world, coming to visit and scare people...
May 30, 200619 yr OK, here is a true story. It freaked me out. And anyone who knows me will tell you I'm the most rational, scientific, cynical person they know. My aunt died about 3 weeks ago. She had been in hospital for a couple of weeks, deteriorating rapidly. All our family knew it was only a matter of time. Different family members were keeping a 24 hour bedside vigil. The night before she died my 2 cousins were with her. The hospital room had been very hot but suddenly my cousins said it got very very cold. So cold they had to put their jackets on. Just then my aunt turned to the opposite corner of the room and started having a conversation. My cousins saw an empty room and asked her who she was talking to. She told them there were 5 people in the room, standing at the foot of her bed. She knew 4 of them. Her mother, father, her 2 brothers (all dead years ago). She told my cousins there was a young boy with one of her brothers but she didn't know who this was. These 'people' kept appearing and disappearing over the next day and night. My aunt would hold a conversation with them and told her family they were waiting for her but it wasn't time yet. She died in her sleep the following night. Only later did my mum discover that my late uncle's young grandson (who had been killed in a tragic accident some years earlier) had actually been buried alongside said uncle. He was 8 when he died. My late aunt didn't know this fact either. :o Anyway, is this gobbledegook? When you are near death does your mind start playing tricks on you? But what about the temperature drop in the room? What about the young boy nobody knew about? The rational side of me says that when you die you die. There is nothing there. It's like it was before you were born. Nothing. But then isn't one of the laws of physics that energy can never be destroyed? It can only be converted into another source of energy? Our brain (or mind or 'soul') emits energy doesn't it? Who knows. And at the end of the day nobody has ever came back from the dead to tell us what is or isn't there. <_> Same things happens every day to be honest, with people all across the world. The question is why do we (I'm talking about individuals) not take a sensible approach and research and investigate these things, instead we cover it up, with irrational attempting to dismiss it with non-sense ideas of an over active imagination.
May 30, 200619 yr Same things happens every day to be honest, with people all across the world. The question is why do we (I'm talking about individuals) not take a sensible approach and research and investigate these things, instead we cover it up, with irrational attempting to dismiss it with non-sense ideas of an over active imagination. You talk as if that was a normal thing that happens to everyone everyday and everybody just tries to cover it up to avoid a scandal... When clearly 99% of the people never had anything like that, and to dismiss it isn´t irrational, irrational is to believe that the world is full of spirits of dead people... There is no way to investigate it, because it´s religion, not science... You cannot investigate if God exists or not, you can just believe it or not but you´ll never prove it to anyone. There are many catholics who have said that they saw virgin mary on a vision and she said a lot of things... kardecists would say they talk to spirits or they have seen what they were on another life... People just see what is on their imagination, just use logic, if some person still have things to do with us on earth or things to say, then why did this person die? Why should spirits appear to us, instead of going to heaven, hell, or whatever? It makes no sense. I think kardecism is just another religion just like christianism, islam, etc., the only difference is it´s getting popular among young people because it´s an easy religion and it doesn´t have difficult commandments or moral teachings...
May 30, 200619 yr I believe in reincarnation. When you die the soul leaves the body. So it's nothing more then a shell. The soul lives on and reincarnates.
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